Henry Rodriquez dropped in my main event league

[TParsons]

Henry Rodriquez was dropped in my main event league this week. It will be the only main event in which he is available. I guess I am surprised by the move.

Surprised? Surprised like John Bobbitt!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt

Of course this thread centers on FAAB value for some reason.

But I think your point is-Why is this allowed?

I guess Salas or Nunez and Strop were just too valuable to drop instead of a full time closer with 100 mph heat!

This was an obvious favor to someone. Should not of been allowed. Instead of total outrage from the league commissioners you get crickets. I know the feeling. Nothing to see here sir, move along. One of the reasons I shy away form spending any serious money at the nfbc. I actually had a hard time convincing myself to do a satellite league this year.

You're calling dropping Henry Rodriguez collusion? At the time of the drop, Lidge was still getting save opps as well. You don't know the circumstances the owner was under. Maybe he had a bench full of injuries and needed a bat. It's hard to tell. Without knowing the owners situation and strategy, you can't possibly accuse the owner of collusion. Calling this collusion is borderline crazy. Stick to your ESPN League.

[Zman]

Henry Rodriquez was dropped in my main event league this week. It will be the only main event in which he is available. I guess I am surprised by the move.

Surprised? Surprised like John Bobbitt!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt

Of course this thread centers on FAAB value for some reason.

But I think your point is-Why is this allowed?

I guess Salas or Nunez and Strop were just too valuable to drop instead of a full time closer with 100 mph heat!

This was an obvious favor to someone. Should not of been allowed. Instead of total outrage from the league commissioners you get crickets. I know the feeling. Nothing to see here sir, move along. One of the reasons I shy away form spending any serious money at the nfbc. I actually had a hard time convincing myself to do a satellite league this year.

You're calling dropping Henry Rodriguez collusion? At the time of the drop, Lidge was still getting save opps as well. You don't know the circumstances the owner was under. Maybe he had a bench full of injuries and needed a bat. It's hard to tell. Without knowing the owners situation and strategy, you can't possibly accuse the owner of collusion. Calling this collusion is borderline crazy. Stick to your ESPN League.

Sounds like I struck a nerve. The truth hurts you know. Besides I'm not making a direct accusation from a players point of view. I think players will try to get away with whatever they can. In some ways it's part of the game. I don't care. It's the commissioners job to nip this stuff in the a$$. And that's where the NFBC falls terribly short. Just the mere fact that this player was dropped in only one league should send up red flags everywhere. At the very least he should have been removed from FAAB bidding.

[TParsons]

Sounds like I struck a nerve. The truth hurts you know. Besides I'm not making a direct accusation from a players point of view. I think players will try to get away with whatever they can. In some ways it's part of the game. I don't care. It's the commissioners job to nip this stuff in the a$$. And that's where the NFBC falls terribly short.

It's clear you're just here to cause problems. Next time come up with something better than this. Poor attempt...

[The Mighty Men]

Sounds like I struck a nerve. The truth hurts you know. Besides I'm not making a direct accusation from a players point of view. I think players will try to get away with whatever they can. In some ways it's part of the game. I don't care. It's the commissioners job to nip this stuff in the a$$. And that's where the NFBC falls terribly short. Just the mere fact that this player was dropped in only one league should send up red flags everywhere. At the very least he should have been removed from FAAB bidding.

When did Oliver Stone join the NFBC?

[Greg Ambrosius]

Henry Rodriquez was dropped in my main event league this week. It will be the only main event in which he is available. I guess I am surprised by the move.

Surprised? Surprised like John Bobbitt!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt

Of course this thread centers on FAAB value for some reason.

But I think your point is-Why is this allowed?

I guess Salas or Nunez and Strop were just too valuable to drop instead of a full time closer with 100 mph heat!

This was an obvious favor to someone. Should not of been allowed. Instead of total outrage from the league commissioners you get crickets. I know the feeling. Nothing to see here sir, move along. One of the reasons I shy away form spending any serious money at the nfbc. I actually had a hard time convincing myself to do a satellite league this year.

Good luck in your satellite league Zman. Hopefully you realize that the NFBC is in charge of making sure every league is fair and still not get involved in the actual playing of the leagues. For us to pull Henry Rodriguez out of free agency would make every move after that susceptible to the same action. I could be removing iffy free agents from May to September from hundreds of leagues. Instead, we let you players determine the outcomes of these leagues.

If we see a true superstar cut that we believe should be removed from any league, we'll intercede. We have in the past and been criticized for it. But in this regard -- and especially when it comes to closers -- we let each league play out. There is no collusion here and every league member had a fair shot at this reliever and the highest bid won. We've certainly seen higher bids than this for a hot free agent.

Carry on and good luck. And you are right, if you really want a league commissioner to intercede and block every potential cut then the NFBC isn't for you. We're just not going to block the cut of every potential new closer or tell owners how to run their teams. That's what they've paid for.

[Hells Satans]

Seriously. This is idiotic.

By definition, a guy who gets cut in April that goes for less than $600 the next week in FAAB shouldn't be pulled from the FAAB pool.

[Zman]

Henry Rodriquez was dropped in my main event league this week. It will be the only main event in which he is available. I guess I am surprised by the move.

Surprised? Surprised like John Bobbitt!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt

Of course this thread centers on FAAB value for some reason.

But I think your point is-Why is this allowed?

I guess Salas or Nunez and Strop were just too valuable to drop instead of a full time closer with 100 mph heat!

This was an obvious favor to someone. Should not of been allowed. Instead of total outrage from the league commissioners you get crickets. I know the feeling. Nothing to see here sir, move along. One of the reasons I shy away form spending any serious money at the nfbc. I actually had a hard time convincing myself to do a satellite league this year.

Good luck in your satellite league Zman. Hopefully you realize that the NFBC is in charge of making sure every league is fair and still not get involved in the actual playing of the leagues. For us to pull Henry Rodriguez out of free agency would make every move after that susceptible to the same action. I could be removing iffy free agents from May to September from hundreds of leagues. Instead, we let you players determine the outcomes of these leagues.

If we see a true superstar cut that we believe should be removed from any league, we'll intercede. We have in the past and been criticized for it. But in this regard -- and especially when it comes to closers -- we let each league play out. There is no collusion here and every league member had a fair shot at this reliever and the highest bid won. We've certainly seen higher bids than this for a hot free agent.

Carry on and good luck. And you are right, if you really want a league commissioner to intercede and block every potential cut then the NFBC isn't for you. We're just not going to block the cut of every potential new closer or tell owners how to run their teams. That's what they've paid for.

1.Thanks for the good wishes Greg
2. Define superstar. He is one of 30 guys getting saves. He might as well of cut Rivera, Kimbrel or Papelbon.
3. The problem here is "each league" is tied together in a much bigger contest. Right now Henry Rodriguez is a superstar. As is any pitcher with a closers job and putting saves on the board.
4. Don't want you to tell owners how to run their teams. But your attention should be just as focused on the overall contest and the effect that an out lier move like this has on it.
Maybe I am wrong about jumping to the collusion point of view, however I feel very confident that I am right about Rodriguez being removed from the FAAB pool because he adversely affects the larger contest.No matter what the managers reason is for cutting him.

[Greg Ambrosius]

If he's such an outlier, why didn't you or other owners in your league bid more for his services over the next 5 months? It seems that all owners in that league sized up his value and came to the conclusion that he was worth 35% of their FAAB and no more. We've certainly seen bigger bids than that. And yes I'm always concerned about the overall contest, which is why we have pulled top stars in the past and why we don't just pull every potential reliever who gets cut.

You make this sound like it was a no-brainer to pull one closer from the pool when what it really does is set up a slippery slope for me to pull every potential closer or stolen base specialist or home run slugger next. If Rodriguez is a Top 150 player now, where do you stop from pulling out the next potential closer? Or stolen base threat? No, these leagues have a way of playing themselves out without constant interference from me. And at the end of the day, we'll find out if this owner got a value in Rodriguez or if he spent much of his FAAB early in the season chasing saves. Everyone in your league made that evaluation and bid accordingly.

Collusion is a strong word. Use it wisely and with a lot of facts to back it up. I don't see any collusion here when everyone in this league had plenty of FAAB to get this player. How could the guy cutting him be certain that any one owner would get him after cutting Rodriguez? The accusation is off base, in my opinion.

Sorry you disagree, but I'm not pulling every single cut from these free agent pools. I would do more harm than good that way. Let the leagues play out.

[rockitsauce]

He is one of 30 guys getting saves. He might as well of cut Rivera, Kimbrel or Papelbon.

Tell that to the folks (me ) who spent $400 on Santiago !

Comparing this guy who reminds me of a right handed Mitchy Poo to established closers like Mo, Pap, and even Kimbrel is ludicrous. At the time you started this ridiculous thread Lidge was still in the mix and Storen should be back by the AS brk (fingers crossed).

I agree w/ Bob. Greg shouldn't have to respond to such scurrilous accusations. This is idiotic.

[KJ Duke]

Closers get dropped every season and they become part of the FAAB pool. In the case of Rodriguez, he's not even expected to be a closer for the remainder of the season with Storen due back in the not too distant future. There's a reason 400 other guys in this contest aren't up in arms over the drop ... it's not a big deal.

[Zman]

He is one of 30 guys getting saves. He might as well of cut Rivera, Kimbrel or Papelbon.

Tell that to the folks (me ) who spent $400 on Santiago !

Comparing this guy who reminds me of a right handed Mitchy Poo to established closers like Mo, Pap, and even Kimbrel is ludicrous. At the time you started this ridiculous thread Lidge was still in the mix and Storen should be back by the AS brk (fingers crossed).

I agree w/ Bob. Greg shouldn't have to respond to such scurrilous accusations. This is idiotic.

If he saves 30 games this year he's no different then those players. This is not a dynasty league. The NFBC is all about the now.

[Zman]

If he's such an outlier, why didn't you or other owners in your league bid more for his services over the next 5 months? It seems that all owners in that league sized up his value and came to the conclusion that he was worth 35% of their FAAB and no more. We've certainly seen bigger bids than that. And yes I'm always concerned about the overall contest, which is why we have pulled top stars in the past and why we don't just pull every potential reliever who gets cut.

You make this sound like it was a no-brainer to pull one closer from the pool when what it really does is set up a slippery slope for me to pull every potential closer or stolen base specialist or home run slugger next. If Rodriguez is a Top 150 player now, where do you stop from pulling out the next potential closer? Or stolen base threat? No, these leagues have a way of playing themselves out without constant interference from me. And at the end of the day, we'll find out if this owner got a value in Rodriguez or if he spent much of his FAAB early in the season chasing saves. Everyone in your league made that evaluation and bid accordingly.

Collusion is a strong word. Use it wisely and with a lot of facts to back it up. I don't see any collusion here when everyone in this league had plenty of FAAB to get this player. How could the guy cutting him be certain that any one owner would get him after cutting Rodriguez? The accusation is off base, in my opinion.

Sorry you disagree, but I'm not pulling every single cut from these free agent pools. I would do more harm than good that way. Let the leagues play out.

Understood. Too many years of being a commissioner and trying to settle trade and wavier disputes perhaps! I'm a little sensitive to odd ball moves.

However your leagues do not operate in a vacuum. Every move can affect a another league with larger stakes. Well at least most of your leagues.

Maybe you need a hard and fast rule for this situation. Instead of leaving it up to your opinion as to who is a "star" and who is not. After all I'm sure you don't allow trades for many of the same reasons.

Maybe the tech guys could work on this one.

Let's use the fact that you have multiple leagues running as a consensus starting point.

If a player is cut from any team in any league that is not on the free agent list in a certain percentage of leagues then that player must be removed from the FAAB pool in that league until such time that he reaches that percentage.

What percentage?

Example?

1%?

Main Event has 420 teams. Rounded down that would mean a player must be available in at least 4 leagues.

Even at 1% this fringe closer would of had to of been removed from that league's FA pool. Even at .5%

Sounds like a pretty valuable player to me!

You can use this for each individual contest and satellite leagues as well.

[The Mighty Men]

ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

Ozzie Guillen is non-commital to Heath bell as his closer. This means that if you have Steve Cishek, according to the doctrine of ZMan, if you drop Cishek you are a collusionist.

Please be so advised. If you fail to obey this, you will suffer the wrath of ZMan.

[rockitsauce]

ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

Ozzie Guillen is non-commital to Heath bell as his closer. This means that if you have Steve Cishek, according to the doctrine of ZMan, if you drop Cishek you are a collusionist.

Please be so advised. If you fail to obey this, you will suffer the wrath of ZMan.

And don't forget Fuentes Got A Save last night too if u drop him, the ZMan cometh

[G1AZM]

If he's such an outlier, why didn't you or other owners in your league bid more for his services over the next 5 months? It seems that all owners in that league sized up his value and came to the conclusion that he was worth 35% of their FAAB and no more. We've certainly seen bigger bids than that. And yes I'm always concerned about the overall contest, which is why we have pulled top stars in the past and why we don't just pull every potential reliever who gets cut.

You make this sound like it was a no-brainer to pull one closer from the pool when what it really does is set up a slippery slope for me to pull every potential closer or stolen base specialist or home run slugger next. If Rodriguez is a Top 150 player now, where do you stop from pulling out the next potential closer? Or stolen base threat? No, these leagues have a way of playing themselves out without constant interference from me. And at the end of the day, we'll find out if this owner got a value in Rodriguez or if he spent much of his FAAB early in the season chasing saves. Everyone in your league made that evaluation and bid accordingly.

Collusion is a strong word. Use it wisely and with a lot of facts to back it up. I don't see any collusion here when everyone in this league had plenty of FAAB to get this player. How could the guy cutting him be certain that any one owner would get him after cutting Rodriguez? The accusation is off base, in my opinion.

Sorry you disagree, but I'm not pulling every single cut from these free agent pools. I would do more harm than good that way. Let the leagues play out.

Understood. Too many years of being a commissioner and trying to settle trade and wavier disputes perhaps! I'm a little sensitive to odd ball moves.

However your leagues do not operate in a vacuum. Every move can affect a another league with larger stakes. Well at least most of your leagues.

Maybe you need a hard and fast rule for this situation. Instead of leaving it up to your opinion as to who is a "star" and who is not. After all I'm sure you don't allow trades for many of the same reasons.

Maybe the tech guys could work on this one.

Let's use the fact that you have multiple leagues running as a consensus starting point.

If a player is cut from any team in any league that is not on the free agent list in a certain percentage of leagues then that player must be removed from the FAAB pool in that league until such time that he reaches that percentage.

What percentage?

Example?

1%?

Main Event has 420 teams. Rounded down that would mean a player must be available in at least 4 leagues.

Even at 1% this fringe closer would of had to of been removed from that league's FA pool. Even at .5%

Sounds like a pretty valuable player to me!

You can use this for each individual contest and satellite leagues as well.

Zman, your points have been ridiculous to this point, but this one is ridiculous and factually incorrect. 1 drop does not represent less than 0.5% of the contest (1 of 420 teams). A player being dropped represents close to 4 % of the contest (1 of 28 leagues).

It is up to the discretion of the commissioner to keep the game fair and no foul in this case. I believe if Kimbrel or Mo or Pap were dropped it would raise a red flag and Greg would do something about it. It might get dicey if say a guy has 3 full time closers and is healthy in saves, has 5 or 6 injuries and decides he has to drop a Chris Perez (or even Henry Rodriguez now that he clearly has a full time gig which he didn't at the time). Then it would be a tough call and a situation where maybe Greg has to remove a player from bidding in that league. The bottom line is we've all signed up knowing that he will make what he considers to be the fairest decision in any dicey situtation.

It's pretty clear that the manager who dropped Henry has made 3 or 4 FA acquistions every week and plays the flavor of the week stategy. Yes, Henry was a terrible drop (I'm sure he wishes now he had dropped Salas), but when you play that strategy you will invariably burn yourself with some poor drops throughout the course of the season.

[Zman]

If he's such an outlier, why didn't you or other owners in your league bid more for his services over the next 5 months? It seems that all owners in that league sized up his value and came to the conclusion that he was worth 35% of their FAAB and no more. We've certainly seen bigger bids than that. And yes I'm always concerned about the overall contest, which is why we have pulled top stars in the past and why we don't just pull every potential reliever who gets cut.

You make this sound like it was a no-brainer to pull one closer from the pool when what it really does is set up a slippery slope for me to pull every potential closer or stolen base specialist or home run slugger next. If Rodriguez is a Top 150 player now, where do you stop from pulling out the next potential closer? Or stolen base threat? No, these leagues have a way of playing themselves out without constant interference from me. And at the end of the day, we'll find out if this owner got a value in Rodriguez or if he spent much of his FAAB early in the season chasing saves. Everyone in your league made that evaluation and bid accordingly.

Collusion is a strong word. Use it wisely and with a lot of facts to back it up. I don't see any collusion here when everyone in this league had plenty of FAAB to get this player. How could the guy cutting him be certain that any one owner would get him after cutting Rodriguez? The accusation is off base, in my opinion.

Sorry you disagree, but I'm not pulling every single cut from these free agent pools. I would do more harm than good that way. Let the leagues play out.

Understood. Too many years of being a commissioner and trying to settle trade and wavier disputes perhaps! I'm a little sensitive to odd ball moves.

However your leagues do not operate in a vacuum. Every move can affect a another league with larger stakes. Well at least most of your leagues.

Maybe you need a hard and fast rule for this situation. Instead of leaving it up to your opinion as to who is a "star" and who is not. After all I'm sure you don't allow trades for many of the same reasons.

Maybe the tech guys could work on this one.

Let's use the fact that you have multiple leagues running as a consensus starting point.

If a player is cut from any team in any league that is not on the free agent list in a certain percentage of leagues then that player must be removed from the FAAB pool in that league until such time that he reaches that percentage.

What percentage?

Example?

1%?

Main Event has 420 teams. Rounded down that would mean a player must be available in at least 4 leagues.

Even at 1% this fringe closer would of had to of been removed from that league's FA pool. Even at .5%

Sounds like a pretty valuable player to me!

You can use this for each individual contest and satellite leagues as well.

Zman, your points have been ridiculous to this point, but this one is ridiculous and factually incorrect. 1 drop does not represent less than 0.5% of the contest (1 of 420 teams). A player being dropped represents close to 4 % of the contest (1 of 28 leagues).

It is up to the discretion of the commissioner to keep the game fair and no foul in this case. I believe if Kimbrel or Mo or Pap were dropped it would raise a red flag and Greg would do something about it. It might get dicey if say a guy has 3 full time closers and is healthy in saves, has 5 or 6 injuries and decides he has to drop a Chris Perez (or even Henry Rodriguez now that he clearly has a full time gig which he didn't at the time). Then it would be a tough call and a situation where maybe Greg has to remove a player from bidding in that league. The bottom line is we've all signed up knowing that he will make what he considers to be the fairest decision in any dicey situtation.

It's pretty clear that the manager who dropped Henry has made 3 or 4 FA acquistions every week and plays the flavor of the week stategy. Yes, Henry was a terrible drop (I'm sure he wishes now he had dropped Salas), but when you play that strategy you will invariably burn yourself with some poor drops throughout the course of the season.

I'm not even going to get into why I used teams instead of leagues. I'll leave the exact math formula to the math experts like you.

I apologize for my horrible collusion comment. In this case I was wrong.

I don't care if 10,000 people say it''s fine and pay to play here. It doesn't make them right. The free agent system as far as the overall contest is concerned is flawed. Perhaps a small one.

With your rational we might as well ask Greg and Tom to allow trades. Being their so trusted about their opinions on a players value.