Miggy 80 RBIs
Miggy 80 RBIs
Not even July. Just amazing.
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Corey Schwartz of MLB.com just tweeted this about Cabrera: "I'm almost embarassed to have Miguel Cabrera on my @thenfbc team. I'd be shaming him if I don't win my league. What a beast."BK METS wrote:Not even July. Just amazing.
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Simply the best anyone alive has ever seen. He has no weakness. So great to watch him play everyday. He plays the game as it is meant to be played, as a school kid.
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Does he crap rainbows, too, Joe?Money wrote:Simply the best anyone alive has ever seen. He has no weakness. So great to watch him play everyday. He plays the game as it is meant to be played, as a school kid.
I don't want to say your argument is objectively wrong, because Cabrera is great. And so consistent. It's just that there's this guy named Albert Pujols, who at the same age, had out performed Cabrera in every single offensive category except one. Pujols had been caught stealing 16 more times than Cabrera.
Pujols eclipses Cabrera in every other offensive category. Defensively, Pujols has won two Gold Gloves. The best that can be said about Cabrera's defense is he is a great hitter.
Pujols has finished 1st or 2nd in MVP voting 7 times, Cabrera twice. The one time Cabrera won the MVP, he wasn't. See Mike Trout.
Granted, Cabrera does seem to be in his prime. But guys his size tend to starting breaking down physically at this age. See Pujols.
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My favorite stat comparison between Pujols and Cabrera is strikeouts. Cabrera 1162, Pujols 642. Cabrera is no Pujols.
Incidentally, I think Griffey Jr. was better through the same age, as well. He didn't quite hit for the high average, but compared favorably in the other categories.
Incidentally, I think Griffey Jr. was better through the same age, as well. He didn't quite hit for the high average, but compared favorably in the other categories.
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Albert Pujols has a .322 career batting average making a lot more contact than Miguel Cabrera.knuckleheads wrote:My favorite stat comparison between Pujols and Cabrera is strikeouts. Cabrera 1162, Pujols 642. Cabrera is no Pujols.
Yet, Cabrera's lifetime average of just one point lower at .321 was done while whiffing 340 more times than Pujols.
Impressive!
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Statistics schmsticttscts. I'm not a numerish guy, I know what I see. Possible back to back triple crowns is enough said but I'll say a little more. Hits in comerica park and has 10 - 15 balls every year that no other ball park in baseball can hold. He's on pace to put up Ruth and Gehrig type numbers, this hasn't been done in decades. You can have your 250 million dollar has been.
Simply the best in my opinion.
Simply the best in my opinion.
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Through his age 29 season, Pujols career average was .334 (vs. Cabrera's .322) Since that season, he's batted .312, .299, .285, .252. Projecting career average on a player's first 10 years is about as reliable as projecting a season's totals on a first half.DOUGHBOYS wrote:Albert Pujols has a .322 career batting average making a lot more contact than Miguel Cabrera.knuckleheads wrote:My favorite stat comparison between Pujols and Cabrera is strikeouts. Cabrera 1162, Pujols 642. Cabrera is no Pujols.
Yet, Cabrera's lifetime average of just one point lower at .321 was done while whiffing 340 more times than Pujols.
Impressive!
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There's numerish, then there is being better in EVERY statistical category. I don't know if there is any more specious award than the triple crown. Pujols has had at least four seasons equally impressive. (Never had a Prince Fielder batting behind him, either.)Money wrote:Statistics schmsticttscts. I'm not a numerish guy, I know what I see. Possible back to back triple crowns is enough said...
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The whole practice of 'he's a better hitter', 'no, he's a better hitter' is a waste of time.
If you think Albert's a better hitter, then it's so.
If Joe thinks Cabrera is a better hitter, then that is so.
No matter what the dialect of your Numerish, it can't be PROVED that one is better than the other.
Enjoy both.
There are those that still argue over DiMaggio/Williams.
If preferring less strike outs, or think a 56 game hitting streak is monumental, DiMaggio is your guy.
If liking the OBP and .406, Williams is the man.
If you think Albert's a better hitter, then it's so.
If Joe thinks Cabrera is a better hitter, then that is so.
No matter what the dialect of your Numerish, it can't be PROVED that one is better than the other.
Enjoy both.
There are those that still argue over DiMaggio/Williams.
If preferring less strike outs, or think a 56 game hitting streak is monumental, DiMaggio is your guy.
If liking the OBP and .406, Williams is the man.
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I will take either one. Right now, Miggy is the man. Pujols was the man. Both are hall of famers. No doubt.
The key for Miggy is keeping up his production through his 30s. Pujols has broken down at a relatively early age, yet he had an amazing run. Miggy has the capability to set records. Pujols will probably fall short, unless he revitalizes his Cardinal numbers.
The key for Miggy is keeping up his production through his 30s. Pujols has broken down at a relatively early age, yet he had an amazing run. Miggy has the capability to set records. Pujols will probably fall short, unless he revitalizes his Cardinal numbers.
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Perhaps, but it sure is fun...besides, isn't that the point of fantasy baseball?DOUGHBOYS wrote:The whole practice of 'he's a better hitter', 'no, he's a better hitter' is a waste of time.
Sim Player From To Yrs WAR .... G .... AB .... R ... H .. 2B .3B .HR . RBI . BB . SO . BA . OBP SLG SB CS OPS+
Miguel Cabrera 2003-2013 11 52.2 1590 5971 1023 1918 406 14 345 1204 756 1162 .321 .398 .567 35 18 154
.. Albert Pujols 2001-2010 10 81.1 1558 5733 1186 1900 426 15 408 1230 914 _646 .331 .426 .624 75 34 172
As for can't be proved, one of these lines is better than the other...
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One stat not mentioned: Future numbers. Pujols headed south, Miggy continues to rise.knuckleheads wrote:Perhaps, but it sure is fun...besides, isn't that the point of fantasy baseball?DOUGHBOYS wrote:The whole practice of 'he's a better hitter', 'no, he's a better hitter' is a waste of time.
Sim Player From To Yrs WAR .... G .... AB .... R ... H .. 2B .3B .HR . RBI . BB . SO . BA . OBP SLG SB CS OPS+
Miguel Cabrera 2003-2013 11 52.2 1590 5971 1023 1918 406 14 345 1204 756 1162 .321 .398 .567 35 18 154
.. Albert Pujols 2001-2010 10 81.1 1558 5733 1186 1900 426 15 408 1230 914 _646 .331 .426 .624 75 34 172
As for can't be proved, one of these lines is better than the other...
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Until Miggy doesn't. Seriously. Pujols beats on all major stats for first 10 years. One bad slip or injury and Miggy could stop rising fast.BK METS wrote:One stat not mentioned: Future numbers. Pujols headed south, Miggy continues to rise.knuckleheads wrote:Perhaps, but it sure is fun...besides, isn't that the point of fantasy baseball?DOUGHBOYS wrote:The whole practice of 'he's a better hitter', 'no, he's a better hitter' is a waste of time.
Sim Player From To Yrs WAR .... G .... AB .... R ... H .. 2B .3B .HR . RBI . BB . SO . BA . OBP SLG SB CS OPS+
Miguel Cabrera 2003-2013 11 52.2 1590 5971 1023 1918 406 14 345 1204 756 1162 .321 .398 .567 35 18 154
.. Albert Pujols 2001-2010 10 81.1 1558 5733 1186 1900 426 15 408 1230 914 _646 .331 .426 .624 75 34 172
As for can't be proved, one of these lines is better than the other...
Plus. We all know Miggy could regress and have more drinking issues which pujols didn't.
Clearly Pujols is ahead for now. Miggy COULD beat pujols but let's not assume....
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I assume the "Miggy Has No Weakness" statement was referring to his offense, right? No matter how you slice it, he can't field worth a damn. So he DOES have a weakness.
Miggy is one bad dude at the plate, it's fun to watch right now...but the whole triple crown argument is a yawn, who cares about RBI. He's the best pure HITTER out there right now, but that's it...he can't run or field ala Pujols at this stage of his career or Trout right now.
How many RBI's would Miggy have if he was still on the Marlins?
Miggy is one bad dude at the plate, it's fun to watch right now...but the whole triple crown argument is a yawn, who cares about RBI. He's the best pure HITTER out there right now, but that's it...he can't run or field ala Pujols at this stage of his career or Trout right now.
How many RBI's would Miggy have if he was still on the Marlins?
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Well, RBI are only the most important stat. However, it does help to have runners on base.Cobb wrote:who cares about RBI...How many RBI's would Miggy have if he was still on the Marlins?
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I agree with Dan's post and was about to say something vey similar. We all have our opinions and they are right to each of us.
With that said Miguel Cabrera is simply the BEST hitter of our generation.![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
With that said Miguel Cabrera is simply the BEST hitter of our generation.
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C Davis, 30 HR and 79 RBI's and its not even July, amazing ,considering where I got him, as for Cabrera, not surprised nor amazed, just expected.
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Chris Davis is the only player between Miguel Cabrera and back to back triple crowns!! What a Great year for him. If Miggy goes back to back he'll have to earn it!! Boy does that sound silly.Billyhaze wrote:C Davis, 30 HR and 79 RBI's and its not even July, amazing ,considering where I got him, as for Cabrera, not surprised nor amazed, just expected.
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