explanation on questionable draft?

[glenlake22]

Some draft results were posted a few days ago with some top players going way below their ADP. I'm just posting to make sure that there was no obvious collusion/cheating taking place in said draft. Obviously, there was funny business of some sort taking place with Cano going 78th (among other highly questionable picks), but I'm wondering if this was just some innocent fun or something more sinister. It would take a whole group of drafters working together to let Cano drop that far; with 20k on the line, it's something worth looking into.

Doing some light research, it appears the same team got Pujols in the 12th and Kemp in the 14th. I assume that Greg or Tom will or are taking a look at this particular draft, or maybe someone in the draft can explain how it all went down. Thanks!

Joe Meehan

[DOUGHBOYS]

Some draft results were posted a few days ago with some top players going way below their ADP. I'm just posting to make sure that there was no obvious collusion/cheating taking place in said draft. Obviously, there was funny business of some sort taking place with Cano going 78th (among other highly questionable picks), but I'm wondering if this was just some innocent fun or something more sinister. It would take a whole group of drafters working together to let Cano drop that far; with 20k on the line, it's something worth looking into.

Doing some light research, it appears the same team got Pujols in the 12th and Kemp in the 14th. I assume that Greg or Tom will or are taking a look at this particular draft, or maybe someone in the draft can explain how it all went down. Thanks!

Joe Meehan

I think you are referring to the Contract League Draft. A different format than all others and not eligible for the $20,000.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Some draft results were posted a few days ago with some top players going way below their ADP. I'm just posting to make sure that there was no obvious collusion/cheating taking place in said draft. Obviously, there was funny business of some sort taking place with Cano going 78th (among other highly questionable picks), but I'm wondering if this was just some innocent fun or something more sinister. It would take a whole group of drafters working together to let Cano drop that far; with 20k on the line, it's something worth looking into.

Doing some light research, it appears the same team got Pujols in the 12th and Kemp in the 14th. I assume that Greg or Tom will or are taking a look at this particular draft, or maybe someone in the draft can explain how it all went down. Thanks!

Joe Meehan

I assume you are talking about KJ's Contract League, which is not part of any national contest. That is a private league where owners pay a percentage of that MLB player's actual salary. Throw that one out of the books if you're researching for NFBC regular drafts.

[76erfan]

can that one be thrown out of the adp reports so it doesnt skew anything?

[glenlake22]

Got it. Figured there would be a good explanation. Just wanted to make sure I still had a chance Thanks!

[Yah Mule]

This is a perfect example of why I love the NFBC. Someone has a concern about something that doesn't look right. It took all of five minutes for one of the company founders to appear and explain the situation. And he was second man in because another NFBC vet got there in three minutes.

[Happenstance]

If you want to look at draft results without the contract league being considered, click on the "slow drafts" option under the "By Draft Type" heading near the top of the page.

[davetniagarafalls]

Sure we can look for just the slow drafts but there is absolutely no reason for that draft to be included in ANY ADP listing because it makes no sense at all. Can we please have it removed? Thanks!

[davetniagarafalls]

A number of guys look at the ADP to set their KDS - and this is particularly misleading for the first 30 or so players.

[KJ Duke]

A number of guys look at the ADP to set their KDS - and this is particularly misleading for the first 30 or so players.

... therein lies the danger of not thinking for yourself. If you're so dependent on the ADP impact of 1 draft in 40 (or even an ADP excuding it), nothing can help you.

[BEF]

... therein lies the danger of not thinking for yourself. If you're so dependent on the ADP impact of 1 draft in 40 (or even an ADP excuding it), nothing can help you.

In this case I have to disagree. Because the NFBC ADP has become so highly visible, especially to those listening on SiriusXM Fantasy (which quotes the ADP number practically whenever a player is mentioned), it's a disservice to all those owners who are not regulars on the Board who otherwise wouldn't know to discount that one draft. Greg was right two years ago in realizing that one way to grow the contest is to associate the phrase ADP with NFBC, so that mechanism which is bringing in new players should be accurate. Does it make a huge impact? No, probably not. But if a first-timer is checking out the site and sees that "wacky" draft, it might cause them to reconsider joining up. Unlikely, but why take the chance when it really won't hurt anyone to remove those results from the calculations.

[Deadheadz]

... therein lies the danger of not thinking for yourself. If you're so dependent on the ADP impact of 1 draft in 40 (or even an ADP excuding it), nothing can help you.

How is it that knowing what others are "likely" to do not thinking for yourself?

ADP tells me that if I want Miggy in round 1 I'm "likely" to get him with pick 2 rather than pick 1.

ADP tells me that if I'm hoping to get Max Scherzer in the 2nd round I probably should make other plans if I insist on asking for pick 1 in my KDS.

ADP tells me that if I'm relying on the Tigers SS to propel my team to victory, I'm not yet ready to play at NFBC.


In poker we find value in knowing what the other guys are likely to do. It's the same here in Roto. It's those who leave their KDS in the default setting 1 thru 15 who are not thinking for themselves.

[Deadheadz]

Wouldn't the best place for the results of the contract league to be included be the Auction statistics?

With a dollar figure attached to each player affecting their draft position, it's really an auction type result isn't it? The results are a lot closer to an auction than they are to a traditional snake draft.

Including the data for this draft in with snake draft ADP is wrong.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Wouldn't the best place for the results of the contract league to be included be the Auction statistics?

With a dollar figure attached to each player affecting their draft position, it's really an auction type result isn't it?

No. It isn't. It is neither like a snake or auction.

[Money]

Plain and simple this league should be excluded from the ADP. It doesn't matter how one uses ADP in their preparation, it is a tool and resource that players use to varying degree's. For a new comer to come and ask the question, to simply be told of the dangers of not thinking for yourself and there is no hope for you is elitist and pompous.

This is not a league that is consistant with the formats in the NFBC. The NFBC trumpets the industry best ADP, when people come here there is a reasonable expectation of what the ADP consists of and that is the formats which are open to all comers on the site itself.

It is possible that technically this draft cannot be removed and if that's the case then that is what should be told to those who ask. Once again this league has no business being included in the NFBC published ADP data.

[KJ Duke]

Plain and simple this league should be excluded from the ADP. It doesn't matter how one uses ADP in their preparation, it is a tool and resource that players use to varying degree's. For a new comer to come and ask the question, to simply be told of the dangers of not thinking for yourself and there is no hope for you is elitist and pompous.

Of course it should be excluded, no one said it shouldn't. Meanwhile, thinking for yourself ... solid advice; and don't tell me what advice to give, you elitist pompous ***.

[Money]

Plain and simple this league should be excluded from the ADP. It doesn't matter how one uses ADP in their preparation, it is a tool and resource that players use to varying degree's. For a new comer to come and ask the question, to simply be told of the dangers of not thinking for yourself and there is no hope for you is elitist and pompous.

Of course it should be excluded, no one said it shouldn't. Meanwhile, thinking for yourself ... solid advice; and don't tell me what advice to give, you elitist pompous ***.

[KJ Duke]

... therein lies the danger of not thinking for yourself. If you're so dependent on the ADP impact of 1 draft in 40 (or even an ADP excuding it), nothing can help you.

How is it that knowing what others are "likely" to do not thinking for yourself?

ADP tells me that if I want Miggy in round 1 I'm "likely" to get him with pick 2 rather than pick 1.

ADP tells me that if I'm hoping to get Max Scherzer in the 2nd round I probably should make other plans if I insist on asking for pick 1 in my KDS.

ADP tells me that if I'm relying on the Tigers SS to propel my team to victory, I'm not yet ready to play at NFBC.

In poker we find value in knowing what the other guys are likely to do. It's the same here in Roto. It's those who leave their KDS in the default setting 1 thru 15 who are not thinking for themselves.

Thanks for the long unnecessary explanation Chris. Does this statement "if you're so dependent on the ADP impact of 1 draft in 40" say ADP is worthless? If so, I missed a few words. If there are 40 drafts and Cano's average is 10, and if he went 50th in the contract league, his overall average would drop to 10.9. If Cano moving from 10.0 to 10.9 is troubling to you in looking at ADP, you are relying on it way too much. Carry on.

[Money]

... therein lies the danger of not thinking for yourself. If you're so dependent on the ADP impact of 1 draft in 40 (or even an ADP excuding it), nothing can help you.

How is it that knowing what others are "likely" to do not thinking for yourself?

ADP tells me that if I want Miggy in round 1 I'm "likely" to get him with pick 2 rather than pick 1.

ADP tells me that if I'm hoping to get Max Scherzer in the 2nd round I probably should make other plans if I insist on asking for pick 1 in my KDS.

ADP tells me that if I'm relying on the Tigers SS to propel my team to victory, I'm not yet ready to play at NFBC.

In poker we find value in knowing what the other guys are likely to do. It's the same here in Roto. It's those who leave their KDS in the default setting 1 thru 15 who are not thinking for themselves.

Thanks for the long unnecessary explanation Chris. Does this statement "if you're so dependent on the ADP impact of 1 draft in 40" say ADP is worthless? If so, I missed a few words. If there are 40 drafts and Cano's average is 10, and if he went 50th in the contract league, his overall average would drop to 10.9. If Cano moving from 10.0 to 10.9 is troubling to you in looking at ADP, you are relying on it way too much. Carry on.

These ADP's depict a range of where players are taken, hence the minimum pick and maximum pick inclusion. It is not as simple as saying 10.0 - 10.9. He now has a range from 4th to 78th. Is the second maximum pick 77? 76? In this case it creates a false range. When I was new I enjoyed very much checking out the ranges. They are rendered useless at this point.

[Gekko]

What's the problem here? When you go to the ADP report, just select DC leagues. The contract league is excluded from that. Problem solved. Really, its that easy.

[Captain Hook]

What's the problem here? When you go to the ADP report, just select DC leagues. The contract league is excluded from that. Problem solved. Really, its that easy.

By Draft Type : All Drafts (Non Auction) | Live Drafts | Slow Drafts

Thanks for your help but do you see DC Leagues in that list?

[Money]

What's the problem here? When you go to the ADP report, just select DC leagues. The contract league is excluded from that. Problem solved. Really, its that easy.

I hear you Mark. The conversation was in reference to new comers. When you go to ADP it defaults to all drafts. In reality it should probably default to the DC drafts as those are what most would want to see. If you wanted the other drafts included you then go to a separate link.

Right now the DC's are listed under "slow drafts" a new comer would have no idea what that term means and I don't think the NFBC uses that title anywhere anymore.

[KJ Duke]

When I was new I enjoyed very much checking out the ranges. They are rendered useless at this point.

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait 'til I unveil my newest concept, a 50-round backwards draft.

Oh no, what will the ADP chasers do ....

[BK METS]

What's the problem here? When you go to the ADP report, just select DC leagues. The contract league is excluded from that. Problem solved. Really, its that easy.

Why Mark, would anyone do that? That would be way too complicated and time consuming. It would be so much simpler to come on the message boards and write an essay on the 10 reasons it shouldn't be part of the ADP. This league is done every year and Greg removes the numbers every year. In the mean time, everyone continue with your bitching.

[Gekko]

What's the problem here? When you go to the ADP report, just select DC leagues. The contract league is excluded from that. Problem solved. Really, its that easy.

By Draft Type : All Drafts (Non Auction) | Live Drafts | Slow Drafts

Thanks for your help but do you see DC Leagues in that list?

surprised you aren't well versed enough...

select "Slow Drafts"