League vs League standings

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:19 am

Could someone please explain to me how these are calculated and what it means for the leagues at the top?

thanks

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Tampa League 1

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:59 am

There is a whole another thread on this topic, but basically teams are rated by total output. The question that rages is: just because one league produces more RBI (or any other stat) does that mean it is more difficult? I think there is almost universal agreement that it doesnt.

For example, I have a great auction league team and also picked up Xavier Nady. I didn't need to play him for most of the time, but does that mean my league was less competitive? No.

The one way that people are thinking of rating the leagues is to assign $ values to all the players at the end of the season. Then, going back to the original draft identify which league drafted the highst $ value teams. However, while this approach may tell you who drafts the best, it still doesn't tell you who manages the best.

Quite an interesting question actually

Spy

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:46 am

The one way that people are thinking of rating the leagues is to assign $ values to all the players at the end of the season. Then, going back to the original draft identify which league drafted the highst $ value teams. I agree with this approach, except that looking at which league drafted the most valuable teams doesn't tell you any more than who had the most RBI's, imo. Instead, I think it would be best to find which leagues had the best correlation between $ spent on individual players and their actual end worth.

You could do a modified version to drafted leagues using rounds instead of money.

It is interesting to me that after the initial draft plenty of people do analysis of where people got players in relation to their average draft position, which is virtually pointless unless you're performing a sociological study on conformity in fantasy baseball. Where people drafted players in relation to what they were actually worth at the end of a season would tell far more for a team or a league.

[ August 26, 2006, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

viper · Post by **viper** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:28 am

I would like to see a breakout of pitching & hitting individual catgories in the league.vs.league standings.

My guess is that 90% of the active hitters in each league are the same. I also suspect that the difference in each league's hitting numbers are small. We all pretty much start the same hitters each week with depth on one team's roster causing another team to start a slightly lesser hitter. The differences in hitting numbers might be a function of noticing a guy is injured and will play less in any given week. Just how many of your top 10 drafted hitters have seen the bench for any week they were not injured. Can the same be said for a #5 SP who has a single game at Boston or New York?

Pitching is another issue as many play matchups, look for 2-game starters and employ some modified version of the RP strategy (maybe 5 SPs and 4 MR/CL).

I am of the opinion that hitting category points are primarily a function of health excluding a stupid draft or getting a series of highly projected under-achievers. Many of the same levels of health problems can actually be overcome through roster management and free agent acquisitions in the pitching categories.

The best leagues probably (and I only say probably) have a few more 21-30 round picks that stick and they also grab the better free agents a week before they become the stars. Last season, I took Dempster 2-weeks before he was annointed the closer. I think I spent $5 and may not have needed to spend more than $1. When he became the closer, his value soared. BTW, I took him because I hear he may get 2 starts and I needed strickouts. He probably would have been dropped if he had not become the Cubs closer. Pure luck I got him and not skill.

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:45 am

I'm in the LV2 league(which is #1 overall league) and many players have been pickedup before they have officially became "titled". I got Sowers for $1 which i thought was crazy but also paid 600+ for hamels. Not really sure why our league is the best but it's very competitive with waiver pickups. But i expect that is like most. Good luck all!

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:19 am

I still think there is an argument that if you have some pretty good players sitting on your bench, that you league is less competitive because you shouldn;t have gotten to that advantageous position in the first place. I think stacking the cumualtive stats, although AVG, ERA, and WHIP are far harder to to do because AB and IP are needed for a exact figure, and then ranking from 22 to 1 for each still makes the most sense and is probably less laboir intensive than some of the other ideas. So yes, because Nady is on the bench, thus giving your league less stats, COULD argue that you league is less competitive with that example in isolation.

I just think if you start trying to create other models which there is arguably an unmeasurable qualitative component, you can't truly rely on the numbers. The best example, is trying to rate FAAB pickups - how do you really know why someone went for $50 in one league and $250 in another. There are a lot of reasons which we have no idea about so how can you rate that? You can't say why one of these managers is better than the other.

And if you really want to debate the draft: is one manager better for grabbing Thome 30 picks earlier than avg spot he went in the 22 leagues or the guy that plucked him 15 picks behind the avg? Which is really skill? I could argue both ways for these two managers.

My method spits out these results:

LEAGUE RANK

NY 7 1

TB 1 2

CHI 2 3

Vegas 9 4

Vegas 2 5

Vegas 8 6

CHI 3 7

NY 6 8

TB 2 9

Vegas 6 10

NY 5 11

Vegas 4 12

NY 4 13

NY 3 14

Vegas 1 15

Vegas 5 16

NY 2 17

CHI 1 18

TB 3 19

NY 1 20

Vegas 3 20

Vegas 7 20

[ August 28, 2006, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:26 am

A league is a league is a league. Different Managers, styles, philosophies, and techniques lends itself to different outcomes. Trying to cipher who has the best league is like trying to find out who had the best chair at the draft.

Whether it be NFBC, Yahoo, or ESPN, the best leagues are those where every team in the league plays in earnest from March thru September. I wonder how many players in the NFBC past have folded up their teams in July, August, or September...maybe before. Any info on that? How about this year?

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:32 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

A league is a league is a league. Different Managers, styles, philosophies, and techniques lends itself to different outcomes. Trying to cipher who has the best league is like trying to find out who had the best chair at the draft.

Whether it be NFBC, Yahoo, or ESPN, the best leagues are those where every team in the league plays in earnest from March thru September. I wonder how many players in the NFBC past have folded up their teams in July, August, or September...maybe before. Any info on that? How about this year? In LV 3 we have one guy who's folded up his show and another who isn't being terribly competitive by my estimation. It didn't seem any worse than that in our league last year, did it, DB? I think if you're going to compete at this level you're going to do it all the way most times.

Though I don't mind people who give up on their free drinks by the end of the draft

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:42 pm

If your in a higher scoring league it is tough to finish high overall. But it can be done and has been. It's tough because the more your league is scoring makes the chances of you scoring high overall less. I think???