I guess no one is looking at drops?

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:41 am

Guys, the manager dropped Pedro and Mussina in the same evening. I think we all agree, at least most, that Pedro in isolation wasn't a big deal, but dropping both of these guys for some stiffs, one of which is Park who remains on his roster even though he is in a doctor's office somewhere: all a bit odd.

[ September 07, 2006, 06:45 AM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:54 am

Originally posted by nydownunder:

Guys, the manager dropped Pedro and Mussina in the same evening. I think we all agree, at least most, that Pedro in isolation wasn't a big deal, but dropping both of these guys for some stiffs, one of which is Park who remains on his roster even though he is in a doctor's office somewhere: all a bit odd. Especially from a team that is 50+ points out of the money with 3 weeks left.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:35 am

Originally posted by coops:

quote:Originally posted by nydownunder:

Guys, the manager dropped Pedro and Mussina in the same evening. I think we all agree, at least most, that Pedro in isolation wasn't a big deal, but dropping both of these guys for some stiffs, one of which is Park who remains on his roster even though he is in a doctor's office somewhere: all a bit odd. Especially from a team that is 50+ points out of the money with 3 weeks left. [/QUOTE]Like my analogy posted earlier. How do you go from driving (competing) 100 MPH by dropping Mussina an Pedro to 0 MPH by leaving Park on your roster? That alone is the biggest RED FLAG to me.

Moneymaker · Post by **Moneymaker** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:01 am

The Pedro pick-up should not have been allowed, but it looks like not many people care or are paying attention. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a significant difference-maker.

Greg posted that he was criticised in the past for taking players out of the free agent pool. He shouldn't have been. It's much better to play it safe.

bustouts · Post by **bustouts** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:09 am

I agree with moneymaker...neither mussina or pedro should have been allowed to be cut or should have been removed from the FA pool. Angry fish is well out of contention in his own league and had multiple other players that could have been cut if he was actually trying to improve his team. Theres not too many available free agents that would have been an improvement over these pitchers in any league at any time of the year. This leads me to question his motives.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:29 am

Anyone bothered to contact Angry Fish on this one? Give him the benefit of the doubt but I agree with you all something does not smell right there.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:22 am

Chest,

I am hoping that Greg contacted him and asked for an explanation, but I don't know if he did.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:45 am

I posted a message about it on our league page but no response from him. Just to give context here is Angry Fish's pitching staff. I think it is fair to say that Mussina (in particular) should have stayed on this staff (since it was well publicized he was coming back that Tuesday):

Tony Armas P 0.0 - -

Aaron Cook P 7.0 3.857 0 1.000 0 0

Adam Eaton P 5.2 6.353 1 1.059 5 0

Josh Fogg P 5.0 5.400 0 1.400 3 0

Todd Jones P 1.1 .000 0 1.500 0 0

Esteban Loaiza P 0.0 - -

Pat Neshek P 0.1 81.000 0 9.000 0 0

Joel Pineiro P 3.2 .000 1 .000 4 0

David Weathers P 3.0 3.000 0 .667 3 0

Totals 26.0 4.846 2 1.038 15 0

Bench Pos IP ERA W WHIP K SV

Zach Miner P 2.0 .000 0 .500 2 0

Chan Ho Park P 0.0 - -

Aaron Sele P 0.0 - -

Jamie Walker P 1.0 .000 0 1.000 0 0

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:23 pm

Chris - I posted a respose the other day. Sorry I didn't see it earlier. Easy to lose sight with all the football starting, but I think you have a valid point. Something needs to be more concrete in a contest of this size. Personally, I think that players DROPPED from a league roster after a ceratin point in the season should not be made available to others within the league. That way, if some guy wants to drop MOOSE on August 15th, nobody gets access to him within that league. Same would hold true for a backup infielder like say ALEX CINTRON. Just my 2 cents, again sorry I didnt catch this sooner.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:01 am

Originally posted by Sack:

Chris - I posted a respose the other day. Sorry I didn't see it earlier. Easy to lose sight with all the football starting, but I think you have a valid point. Something needs to be more concrete in a contest of this size. Personally, I think that players DROPPED from a league roster after a ceratin point in the season should not be made available to others within the league. That way, if some guy wants to drop MOOSE on August 15th, nobody gets access to him within that league. Same would hold true for a backup infielder like say ALEX CINTRON. Just my 2 cents, again sorry I didnt catch this sooner. Sack, the problem with that is you'll be seriously depleting the FA pool. Teams ahead in say W's and K's could grab 5 marginal but servicable starters each week to reserve them and then dump them. By mid sep ONE team could have removed 20 starting pitchers from the FA pool.

Q

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:09 am

To review----

The issue is not that a team waived Mussina and Pedro. The issue is that a team 50 points behind the money with 3 weeks to play waived them.

Greg and the gang need to address waivers on a case by case basis as there can be legit reasons why a waiver like this could be executed.

I'm curious to hear how these transactions end up, but I have a feeling it's like the "not throwing the red flag in time". If the players make it to the next week and get picked up, it's pretty difficult to justify reversing it.

Which I guess is what the subject line is all about.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:56 am

Originally posted by coops:

To review----

The issue is not that a team waived Mussina and Pedro. The issue is that a team 50 points behind the money with 3 weeks to play waived them.

Greg and the gang need to address waivers on a case by case basis as there can be legit reasons why a waiver like this could be executed.

I'm curious to hear how these transactions end up, but I have a feeling it's like the "not throwing the red flag in time". If the players make it to the next week and get picked up, it's pretty difficult to justify reversing it.

Which I guess is what the subject line is all about. Correct. We don't want to freeze the free agent pools for the last six weeks of the season or have a "no cut list" because everyone needs to manage their teams down the stretch the way they see fit. Could we have taken Mussina and Pedro out of the LV6 pool two weeks ago and been safe with that? Absolutely, but we've already stated that we felt Pedro was a risk/reward cut and with Mussina we made a bad call. We should have looked closer at the team making that cut and it's a mistake we won't make again.

We've been criticized in the past for removing certain players from leagues' free agent pools and now we understand the criticism for not removing certain players, but I'll take the heat on both accounts. We're doing our best to keep the overall competition equal and we'll analyze these final cuts over the next two weeks as close as we can.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:39 pm

Q:

Point well taken I certainly understand the importance of leaving players available. Wish there was an easy answer and I'm sure with GREG and Tom always on top of things we'll reach a happy medium. Because my Main Event squad has been real hard to check in the standings I felt bad I had missed Spyhunters initial post. Wanted him to realize that I agreed with him. Good luck bud, appreciated your 2 cents. Good luck.

[ September 12, 2006, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: Sack ]

Lost Sailor · Post by **Lost Sailor** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:28 am

I know i'm weighing in late here, but I definitely agree with many that both of them should have been pulled from the pool. Hell, I got excited that CFloyd was dropped in my league this week. If I saw Moose out there I may have rebooted my computer and rubbed my eyes to make sure....

Moneymaker · Post by **Moneymaker** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:44 am

Pedro is scheduled to make starts against Pittsburgh (Friday), the Marlins on Sept. 20, the Nationals on Sept. 25, and the Nationals on Sept. 30.

I hope he doesn't do well for the NFBC's sake. But his career/season 1.02 WHIP and 1+ K/IP may make this a messy situation, especially against the above teams.

Luckily, the Mussina pickup can't affect thousands of dollars of prize money.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:02 am

I think the rotisserie gods are trying to even things out by messing with Pettitte's spaghetti elbow...

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:50 am

Hmmmm, no comments on this thread today.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:58 am

LOL,

Hey sack, great to hear from you on the board etc... Not a great year from us, but, we seem to be making a mini late run. 3rd place is only 5 points away Looking forward to the buffett next year. take care my friend,

Spy

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:43 am

Greg,

I think the team that picked up Pedro is upset with you allowing it this morning.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:17 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

Greg,

I think the team that picked up Pedro is upset with you allowing it this morning.

Again, we took the criticism when it happened and we certainly could have removed Pedro from LV6 when the drop occurred. We just took a little more leniency with cuts this year and Pedro was on the DL, having pitched poorly the three outings before. We said at the time that we allowed the move because he was a risk/reward pickup and he was scheduled for only three starts down the stretch. It's a shame he has struggled since coming off the DL, but that was part of the risk/reward aspect.

Good luck to everyone. It's been a great, great contest this year and this final weekend of games should decide a lot of prize money in the NFBC. On Monday, we'll begin signups for 2007 and do it all over again!