BBDS Proposal for 2007 Ultimate Draft

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:14 pm

OK, here’s the official Blind Bidding for Draft Slot (BBDS) proposal: Draft slot will be determined using FAAB bids. The process will involve ranking your draft preference (just like KDS), then assigning an FAAB amount to each bid (just like weekly FAAB).

The intention of this proposal is to give every team equal access to every draft position. So if you want to build your team around Pujols or Soriano or Reyes, you can bid to make that happen. If you prefer drafting from the middle, you can bid to make that happen. If you think draft position is irrelevant, you can save your FAAB dollars and gain an advantage over the rest of the league during the season.

Please indicate if you are:

A) In favor of BBDS

B) Indifferent

C) In favor of KDS, but would play BBDS if outvoted

D) In favor of KDS and would not play BBDS if outvoted

For those interested, here are a few threads that discuss BBDS: Thread 1, Thread 2, Thread 3, Thread 4 .

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:15 pm

So far, we have heard from four Ultimate participants. Three (Eric Peden, Stephen Jupinka & Dave Kerpen/Andy Kaufmann) are in favor of BBDS. One (David DiDonato) is indifferent.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:50 pm

I'd be in favor of BBDS.

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:59 pm

KoQ, I know I'm supposed to know this, but you're Glenn, right?

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:50 pm

[ September 22, 2006, 02:50 AM: Message edited by: UFS ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:22 am

Originally posted by The Lollygaggers:

KoQ, I know I'm supposed to know this, but you're Glenn, right? Correct.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:39 am

hey eric!!!

i would like to try bbds, so A

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:48 am

What's happening, Rick? Holy crap! Another incredible year for you. Congrats on the #2 OA ranking.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:30 am

Originally posted by The Lollygaggers:

What's happening, Rick? Holy crap! Another incredible year for you. Congrats on the #2 OA ranking.

Rick is having a great NFBC season and he's even on the NFFC leaderboard after two weeks. But don't congratulate him on anything for baseball just yet as he's not counting his chickens before they're hatched!

But as amazing as RT is in fantasy sports, I learned in Las Vegas last month that he's an even BETTER horse gambler!

He picked horses by name and won our group $60 with the DECISIONIST!!! Nice call on that one and the Louisville second half cover big guy!

We'll do it again in March at the Flamingo sportsbook, which unfortunately can't possibly take care of us any better than the Stardust did.

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:07 am

I had to fight Rick for money finishes each of my first two years in NFBC. I told him before the season I was switching to Chicago so I could finally get out of his league. He thought I was kidding.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:43 am

wow, such props!!! lets finish it out and see what happens. there is nothing i enjoy more( for 7 months ) than prepping and watching bases. its been an action packed season and feel very fortunate(at the moment). the draft in vegas is the highlight of my year and greg and ALL of his fellow employees do a bangup job. the stardust!!! enough said.

well, eric i am just as glad to avoid you as well!! you are one helluva player and enjoy chattn with you(by the way he is 2-0 on me). are we going to see you in vegas in 07??? it is now a half hour from 1st pitch and time to take my 2 pills of valium, man what competetion in the 2-5!!! have a great weekend guys and have fun closing out the season in bases and i enjoy the distraction on sundays, atleast, for a few hours. cheers!!!!! RT

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:49 am

Originally posted by The Lollygaggers:

I had to fight Rick for money finishes each of my first two years in NFBC. I told him before the season I was switching to Chicago so I could finally get out of his league. He thought I was kidding. I've gotta give Rick Thomas more props: Heading into the final week of the NFBC season, RT is second overall in the NFBC and second overall in the National Fantasy Football Championship. Yes, there's plenty of time left in the football season, but that's a pretty damn good accomplishment nonetheless. I have a feeling he's even making money on Louisville these days!

Nice run Rick and good luck to everyone during this final week of the baseball season!

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:21 am

Mark Yagan e-mailed me today to vote in favor of BBDS. Among Ultimate participants who have voted:

6 prefer BBDS to KDS

1 is indifferent

0 prefer KDS to BBDS

Keep those votes coming!

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CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:34 am

Originally posted by The Lollygaggers:

Mark Yagan e-mailed me today to vote in favor of BBDS. Among Ultimate participants who have voted:

6 prefer BBDS to KDS

1 is indifferent

0 prefer KDS to BBDS

Keep those votes coming! The real questions is who prefers higher minimum innings to the present system. I would agree the BBDS is a better system, but it is needed more in football. The pitching innings is more of a problem. It's like you are pushing BBDS and the players don't even know that you are setting them up for more of advantage to the closer stategy. As I said before, Greg put up the options and let the players decide what they want. I'm not talking about the main event. The auction leagues and ultimate leagues is where it needs to be addressed. They are only a few players that play those events. I don't think that is asking too much.

-Ultimate-800 innings and BBDS

-Ultimate-400 innings and BBDS

-Ultimate-800 innings and KDS

-Ultimate-400 innings and KDS

-AL auction 800 innings

-AL auction 400 innings

-NL auction 800 innings

-NL auction 400 innings

I think the players will then determine which they prefer. In the AL and NL auctions, there are only 12 and 13 teams. I'm sure they will get filled. You might even fill one of each.

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:38 am

Shawn,

How on earth does the closer strategy have anything to do with bidding on draft slot? I’ve been honest about my BBDS rationale in several threads: I dislike drafting from the end (using ANY strategy), and I’ll spend FAAB dollars to avoid it. Additionally, I think there will be years – 2005 is an example; the Rickey Henderson example is another – where the early picks have a measurable advantage.

There’s no sinister plot here. I've got no problem discussing the IP minimum in a different thread , but it's a completely separate issue.

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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:40 am

Shawn, it's hard enough to fill auction leagues in each city without splitting them into minimum innings pitched leagues. Wouldn't it be easier to just go with 600 IP next year? That allows guys like Lollygaggers to still try his reliever strategy, but makes it tough since he needs to average more than 85 innings pitched per spot. You can't use all closers or "dead" pitchers during the season with 600 innings as a minimum. I'd rather not slice the auction leagues up if possible as I work hard each year just to fill one in some cities.

The BBDS survey is also nice, but again we're getting feedback from owners in New York, Tampa, Chicago and Las Vegas. The goal is to create Ultimate Leagues with most of the owners in one city and at least one full Ultimate Draft League just in Las Vegas. Those owners need to agree on the rules together once this is formed. Again, I'll run a BBDS Ultimate League if everyone wants that, but we're a bit early on the survey.

This is great discussion, so let's keep it going. If we have to splice and dice, I will. But the goal is finding 15-team leagues where we all agree on the format soon and keep interest in them high. Thanks.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:07 am

Originally posted by The Lollygaggers:

Shawn,

How on earth does the closer strategy have anything to do with bidding on draft slot? I’ve been honest about my BBDS rationale in several threads: I dislike drafting from the end (using ANY strategy), and I’ll spend FAAB dollars to avoid it. Additionally, I think there will be years – 2005 is an example; the Rickey Henderson example is another – where the early picks have a measurable advantage.

There’s no sinister plot here. I've got no problem discussing the IP minimum in a different thread , but it's a completely separate issue. I just expressing my feelings that BBDS is less important to me in baseball than the innings issue. I see a need for it in football. I'm not against it in baseball, and I won't hold it back either.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:22 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Shawn, it's hard enough to fill auction leagues in each city without splitting them into minimum innings pitched leagues. Wouldn't it be easier to just go with 600 IP next year? That allows guys like Lollygaggers to still try his reliever strategy, but makes it tough since he needs to average more than 85 innings pitched per spot. You can't use all closers or "dead" pitchers during the season with 600 innings as a minimum. I'd rather not slice the auction leagues up if possible as I work hard each year just to fill one in some cities.

The BBDS survey is also nice, but again we're getting feedback from owners in New York, Tampa, Chicago and Las Vegas. The goal is to create Ultimate Leagues with most of the owners in one city and at least one full Ultimate Draft League just in Las Vegas. Those owners need to agree on the rules together once this is formed. Again, I'll run a BBDS Ultimate League if everyone wants that, but we're a bit early on the survey.

This is great discussion, so let's keep it going. If we have to splice and dice, I will. But the goal is finding 15-team leagues where we all agree on the format soon and keep interest in them high. Thanks. If 600 inning is your best offer, I'll take it. I know in Vegas, there has never been a problem filling the auction leagues. Let's say you put up two options for the AL and NL auctions, Why couldn't the players decide? It's not like we need a ton of players. You never know, it might be more wise to play in the lower inning format. I would think you would like the auction to expand each year.

If you can find a way, I'd be more than willing to do a mixed auction also. The way it was set up last year. It was either AL and NL or AL and mixed. I would do all three. I'm pretty sure Ron Kraus would also. I'm also in for $7500 with Bustouts.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:23 am

I hear ya and I don't disagree at all.

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:32 am

Sorry Eric, I have been traveling on business and have not had the time to respond to your email. Nonetheless, I am very much in favor of bidding on my draft slot for next years Ultimate....On a side note, nice job on the reliever strategy, it sorta hurts that I failed with it last year and you succeeded with it this year because it definately is a viable strategy, but you have to pull it off 100% to finish in the $ and you've done just that....Congrats, with some sour grapes:)....Scott

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:14 pm

Originally posted by la Jolla:

Sorry Eric, I have been traveling on business and have not had the time to respond to your email. Nonetheless, I am very much in favor of bidding on my draft slot for next years Ultimate....On a side note, nice job on the reliever strategy, it sorta hurts that I failed with it last year and you succeeded with it this year because it definately is a viable strategy, but you have to pull it off 100% to finish in the $ and you've done just that....Congrats, with some sour grapes:)....Scott Thanks, Scott. I enjoyed trying the all-RP approach this year, although it was harder to implement than I had imagined. The strategy does give you some injury insurance and extra hitting depth, but it leaves you ZERO margin for error in the eight “competitive” categories. I almost screwed myself in SB, until I caught a break with Duffy late in the season. Crawford stealing about 15 more bases than I expected was also crucial. I did well in the other four hitting categories, but it took career years from guys like Dye, Durham, Cuddyer & CGuillen to put me over the top. Even with all those breaks, I’m still in second place and looking at a very nerve-wracking final week.

I guess the moral of the story is that every strategy requires good luck to work, particularly against the Ultimate guys. Speaking of luck…tough break on your pitching staff. It seems like you lost half of your starters – plus Papelbon – for the final month. Still, congratulations on another solid year.

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:19 pm

We've heard from four new voters. The current tally is:

9 prefer BBDS to KDS

1 is indifferent

1 prefers KDS to BBDS, but would play under either system

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:15 pm

I would prefer to be in an auction league next year.

But if it can't happen, I would definitely like the BBDS over KDS.

Mike

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:17 pm

Guys...on second thought, I have a much better idea...we guess how many apples are in the bag???

The Lollygaggers · Post by **The Lollygaggers** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:05 pm

Alright, one more update before bedtime. We have two new votes, so now:

11 prefer BBDS to KDS

1 is indifferent

1 prefers KDS to BBDS, but would play under either system