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Post by JohnP » Mon May 04, 2015 8:57 pm

I think this has been discussed previously perhaps....but it would really be nice to be able to move a player that is locked in for a period to a different position as to enable a roster adjustment for someone that is hurt. It seems like this has happened to me at least twice already this year. Today I got to the Austin Jackson news late, had a 3B on my bench that I could have replaced Zimmerman with and moved Zimmerman to OF and Jackson to bench. Unfortunately the Washington game had started and as such, Zimmerman locked in at 3B and unmovable. We can make this type of move for football I believe - why not for baseball?

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Tue May 05, 2015 8:17 am

JohnP wrote:I think this has been discussed previously perhaps....but it would really be nice to be able to move a player that is locked in for a period to a different position as to enable a roster adjustment for someone that is hurt. It seems like this has happened to me at least twice already this year. Today I got to the Austin Jackson news late, had a 3B on my bench that I could have replaced Zimmerman with and moved Zimmerman to OF and Jackson to bench. Unfortunately the Washington game had started and as such, Zimmerman locked in at 3B and unmovable. We can make this type of move for football I believe - why not for baseball?
I will definitely get this to IT. We do have this flexibility in football and should have the same flexibility here.
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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Tue May 05, 2015 11:37 am

It has been discussed for a at least two years now. This ridiculous lack of a fix still continues. This nonsense cost us 25k in the platinum league last year.

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Post by ikenbaseball » Wed May 06, 2015 4:43 pm

This line-up maneuverability change makes a lot of sense....it will take out some of the frustration of injuries.....injuries can really sap the life out of any season long fantasy players.

I'm also in favor of changing the player eligibility rule where I have to wait for a minor league player to participate in one game before he's eligible to be drafted in FAAB.....this is very frustrating....all this does is drive the player's price up when he does finally gets called up and plays a game....don't see any reason not to have ALL players eligible right away..once again....this will help soften the blow of a player getting injured.

These are little changes but they would alleviate of the pain from the players getting hurt. In my opinion, a lot of fantasy players get frustrated with injuries and end up not wanting to compete in future seasons.

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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Thu May 07, 2015 11:27 pm

ikenbaseball wrote:This line-up maneuverability change makes a lot of sense....it will take out some of the frustration of injuries.....injuries can really sap the life out of any season long fantasy players.

I'm also in favor of changing the player eligibility rule where I have to wait for a minor league player to participate in one game before he's eligible to be drafted in FAAB.....this is very frustrating....all this does is drive the player's price up when he does finally gets called up and plays a game....don't see any reason not to have ALL players eligible right away..once again....this will help soften the blow of a player getting injured.

These are little changes but they would alleviate of the pain from the players getting hurt. In my opinion, a lot of fantasy players get frustrated with injuries and end up not wanting to compete in future seasons.
The major downfall with some people, myself included, is that you have to follow not only the major league player pool on a regular basis, but also the minor league player pool. I prefer how it is now, although I can certainly understand your viewpoint. When a guy gets called up, lets analyze him. Is he the difference making kind or not? This is a lot easier than following the entire minor league player pool and deciding if something is worth speculating on or not. That would be too much IMO.

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Post by Deadheadz » Fri May 08, 2015 6:57 am

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I've always accepted that part of "managing" a fantasy baseball team was making sure the players who start their games at 7ET go into slots like 1B/2B/3B/SS rather than MI/CI/Util where you put players whose games start at 10ET or Tuesdays.

Yes it's more work but after you're used to it you realize that moving players around in the lineups page gets you thinking about whether a player really should be starting or not. It also makes you aware of eligibility changes for your players.

If STATS has already made it easier to adjust your lineups on the football side then I can't complain they're wrong in doing it on the baseball side too. But when I hear complaints from "managers" who are ticked off they have a player locked in at MI because the game started early I just roll my eyes and think to myself: "it sounds like someone didn't manage their lineup very well".

Until the changes to the site are made, save yourself the frustration of having players locked in by moving them into positions where other players aren't likely to fit. It's pretty silly to say "Miggy is my best 1B so he stays in the 1B slot even if his game doesn't start til Tuesday."

Manage your lineups, managers!


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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Fri May 08, 2015 7:42 am

ikenbaseball wrote:This line-up maneuverability change makes a lot of sense....it will take out some of the frustration of injuries.....injuries can really sap the life out of any season long fantasy players.

I'm also in favor of changing the player eligibility rule where I have to wait for a minor league player to participate in one game before he's eligible to be drafted in FAAB.....this is very frustrating....all this does is drive the player's price up when he does finally gets called up and plays a game....don't see any reason not to have ALL players eligible right away..once again....this will help soften the blow of a player getting injured.

These are little changes but they would alleviate of the pain from the players getting hurt. In my opinion, a lot of fantasy players get frustrated with injuries and end up not wanting to compete in future seasons.
Plain and simple: We have this in football and we've put it on the docket to get done in baseball. It's not an easy in-season fix, but it's something that has to get done to make our game as good as it can be. We've added this with IT to get done.

We will not change the rules on minor-leaguers because it would just become a stashing league. You could have teams totally out of the title hunt just stashing minor-leaguers away. In our rules, if they were good enough to be drafted then they remain in your league's free agent pool all year long. If they weren't originally drafted and they are in the minor leagues, then EVERYONE in your league has to wait until they get called up to the majors, plays one game, and then everyone can put a value on them. Fair and easy to understand.

You folks have enough to do outside of following every minor-leaguer during the season and bidding for each one. Our game starts the bidding when they are called up to the majors, and even though those FAAB bids are higher, it's fair for everyone. I don't see us changing this going forward.

Carlos Correa is a perfect example. He probably would have been picked up for $1 last week or the week before and stashed until June. You may say that's fair. But we think it's more fair that when/if he gets called up to the majors in June that everyone will have the same shot at him and everyone will assess a value to him at that time, just like they do when relievers earn the closer's job. It's a fair, competitive part of our game. Hope that makes sense.
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Post by Quahogs » Fri May 08, 2015 7:51 am

"What can we do to make it easier to manage your teams so you can take down more?" A common refrain from Greg. This is one of them.

If I can't jockey a player in there because I "mismanaged" :roll: the lineup I will certainly blame myself and the first thought that comes to my mind is that I have too many teams. This really needs to be adjusted already Greg.

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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Fri May 08, 2015 9:48 am

Deadheadz wrote:.

I've always accepted that part of "managing" a fantasy baseball team was making sure the players who start their games at 7ET go into slots like 1B/2B/3B/SS rather than MI/CI/Util where you put players whose games start at 10ET or Tuesdays.

Yes it's more work but after you're used to it you realize that moving players around in the lineups page gets you thinking about whether a player really should be starting or not. It also makes you aware of eligibility changes for your players.

If STATS has already made it easier to adjust your lineups on the football side then I can't complain they're wrong in doing it on the baseball side too. But when I hear complaints from "managers" who are ticked off they have a player locked in at MI because the game started early I just roll my eyes and think to myself: "it sounds like someone didn't manage their lineup very well".

Until the changes to the site are made, save yourself the frustration of having players locked in by moving them into positions where other players aren't likely to fit. It's pretty silly to say "Miggy is my best 1B so he stays in the 1B slot even if his game doesn't start til Tuesday."

Manage your lineups, managers!


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You are thinking about this far too shortsightedly. Sometimes, there are situations that are beyond your control. Obviously I would place guys at 2b etc if their game started first. The situation that cost us 25k was not because of any of this easily avoidable stuff you are talking about. It was much more complicated than that, and if the software functioned how it is supposed to, then this would not have happened. But to simply say that moving Miggy to CI or utulity if his game is played last, solves everything, you clearly have not thought this through very well.

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Post by Chthroop » Fri May 08, 2015 10:56 am

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While this is certainly something to do at some point. Aren't there many more critical items to do first? Some ideas:

1. Safari web site support. Many table on the nfbc site don't portray properly. I don't have an android phone but this could be an android issue as well??
2. True multi team free agent copy and manage capability. Starting to see some movement towards this!
3. Enhanced mobile app. Current app is a great start but many missing features like the weekly preview data so when u set lineups you see where you player is going to play at.
4. Why is the daily summary not come out till 10am? And last nights stats are not on mobile app + the last night stats on website ends up forcing you to scroll down past up to 26 other choices on the website to see. Not a huge deal when u are on computer but gets annoying late in season on mobile devices

Anyway, there are probably 20 more items that are higher priority so just want to make sure limited it resources are prioritized to the stuff with biggest impact....though if I had lost 25k I would have probably prioritize what seems to be a somewhat rare situation but of functionality higher! ;)

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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Fri May 08, 2015 12:18 pm

While many of those things need to be addressed, shouldn't things that impact the results of the game be prioritized higher?
We shouldn't have to waste all sorts of time setting lineups by having to look at game times, moving Miggy from 1B to corner or utlility. It is such an epic waste of time, in addition to actually having instances where there is literally nothing you can do about it, with sometimes drastic consequences.

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Post by Deadheadz » Sat May 09, 2015 4:58 pm

Cocktails and Dreams wrote:While many of those things need to be addressed, shouldn't things that impact the results of the game be prioritized higher?
We shouldn't have to waste all sorts of time setting lineups by having to look at game times, moving Miggy from 1B to corner or utlility. It is such an epic waste of time, in addition to actually having instances where there is literally nothing you can do about it, with sometimes drastic consequences.
Didn't STATS create a game for those who don't like wasting their time managing their lineups? Cut Line or something like that where all your best players count wherever they fit best?

Problem solved.
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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Sat May 09, 2015 10:06 pm

Deadheadz wrote:
Cocktails and Dreams wrote:While many of those things need to be addressed, shouldn't things that impact the results of the game be prioritized higher?
We shouldn't have to waste all sorts of time setting lineups by having to look at game times, moving Miggy from 1B to corner or utlility. It is such an epic waste of time, in addition to actually having instances where there is literally nothing you can do about it, with sometimes drastic consequences.
Didn't STATS create a game for those who don't like wasting their time managing their lineups? Cut Line or something like that where all your best players count wherever they fit best?

Problem solved.

The point is sailing way over your head.

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Post by JohnP » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:39 pm

Greg Ambrosius wrote:
JohnP wrote:I think this has been discussed previously perhaps....but it would really be nice to be able to move a player that is locked in for a period to a different position as to enable a roster adjustment for someone that is hurt. It seems like this has happened to me at least twice already this year. Today I got to the Austin Jackson news late, had a 3B on my bench that I could have replaced Zimmerman with and moved Zimmerman to OF and Jackson to bench. Unfortunately the Washington game had started and as such, Zimmerman locked in at 3B and unmovable. We can make this type of move for football I believe - why not for baseball?
I will definitely get this to IT. We do have this flexibility in football and should have the same flexibility here.
Any update on this?

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Post by Tom Kessenich » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:15 am

JohnP wrote:
Greg Ambrosius wrote:
JohnP wrote:I think this has been discussed previously perhaps....but it would really be nice to be able to move a player that is locked in for a period to a different position as to enable a roster adjustment for someone that is hurt. It seems like this has happened to me at least twice already this year. Today I got to the Austin Jackson news late, had a 3B on my bench that I could have replaced Zimmerman with and moved Zimmerman to OF and Jackson to bench. Unfortunately the Washington game had started and as such, Zimmerman locked in at 3B and unmovable. We can make this type of move for football I believe - why not for baseball?
I will definitely get this to IT. We do have this flexibility in football and should have the same flexibility here.
Any update on this?
Nothing new to report at this time for this guys, sorry.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:55 am

JohnP wrote:
Greg Ambrosius wrote:
JohnP wrote:I think this has been discussed previously perhaps....but it would really be nice to be able to move a player that is locked in for a period to a different position as to enable a roster adjustment for someone that is hurt. It seems like this has happened to me at least twice already this year. Today I got to the Austin Jackson news late, had a 3B on my bench that I could have replaced Zimmerman with and moved Zimmerman to OF and Jackson to bench. Unfortunately the Washington game had started and as such, Zimmerman locked in at 3B and unmovable. We can make this type of move for football I believe - why not for baseball?
I will definitely get this to IT. We do have this flexibility in football and should have the same flexibility here.
Any update on this?
The Lineup Maneuverability in baseball won't get completed this season, but it is something we are committed to adding for 2016 NFBC. I know that's not what everyone wants to hear, but even though we have this in football it's not as easy of a fix in baseball, especially during the season.

Why is it so tough? Because in football you basically have set positions and only moves from RB, WR and TE. In baseball you have changing position eligibilities during the season and changes that can be made from seven different positions. It sounds like an easy change, but it's not a quick fix. It's something we should have put on the priority list well before now and didn't. I'll take the blame for that. But we have it scheduled for this off-season now and will have it for 2016.

It's something everyone is dealing with when setting starting lineups each week. It's something we didn't always have in football either, but now that we have it we know it's something that should be added to baseball and basketball as well. We'll get it, but unfortunately not during the 2015 season.

Hope this update helps, even though the answer isn't what everyone wanted.
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