Let's revisit Friday lineup changes for P

[swampass]

Okay here is one more example of why we need a change in the current procedures....

Archie Bradley (AZ) was placed on the 15-day DL Thursday with right shoulder tendinitis.

Robbie Ray was called up from Triple-A to start Thursday's game, essentially taking Bradley's spot in the D-Backs' rotation.

So if on a DC team I have both Bradley and Ray, WHY shouldn't I be able to switch them on Friday?

May I recommend playing in daily leagues? ive been slowly ingesting this bitch fest, and thats all it is, and its the same complaints over and over again. We as managers need to manage risk, so if you get caught with your pants down then thats on you or its just bad luck. Its not up to the rest of us to bend and change rules to protect you and your precious lineups. As has been stated a thousand times… it happens to all of us. Frankly if you were interested in starting Bradley this week after he had been shelled 4 times in a row then maybe extra moves isnt what you need.

i look forward to this thread disappearing into the abyss and never being commented on again.

[Navel Lint]

Okay here is one more example of why we need a change in the current procedures....

Archie Bradley (AZ) was placed on the 15-day DL Thursday with right shoulder tendinitis.

Robbie Ray was called up from Triple-A to start Thursday's game, essentially taking Bradley's spot in the D-Backs' rotation.

So if on a DC team I have both Bradley and Ray, WHY shouldn't I be able to switch them on Friday?

Well, obviously it seems simple, but allowing this particular transaction opens a whole other can of worms as has been explained numerous times. Nobody is debating the merits of being able to make this change or that having pitchers injured/scratched/demoted puts those fantasy teams at a disadvantage, the issue is whether or not allowing YOU to make this particular move outweighs the ability of OTHERS to make moves that may give them a particular ADVANTAGE. The issue has been thoroughly vetted, I am confident Greg & Tom understand the arguments on both sides and will make the best decision for ALL, and not a few. I would like to see it, but I also recognize the downside/problems that others have articulated. Time to let this debate simmer for awhile.

COZ

Yes. Thank you Chris.
Right on the money with this comment.

[Navel Lint]

Okay here is one more example of why we need a change in the current procedures....

Archie Bradley (AZ) was placed on the 15-day DL Thursday with right shoulder tendinitis.

Robbie Ray was called up from Triple-A to start Thursday's game, essentially taking Bradley's spot in the D-Backs' rotation.

So if on a DC team I have both Bradley and Ray, WHY shouldn't I be able to switch them on Friday?

......i look forward to this thread disappearing into the abyss and never being commented on again.

At least not until next May when we get our yearly call to change the rule

[Fourslot40]

Okay here is one more example of why we need a change in the current procedures....

Archie Bradley (AZ) was placed on the 15-day DL Thursday with right shoulder tendinitis.

Robbie Ray was called up from Triple-A to start Thursday's game, essentially taking Bradley's spot in the D-Backs' rotation.

So if on a DC team I have both Bradley and Ray, WHY shouldn't I be able to switch them on Friday?

May I recommend playing in daily leagues? ive been slowly ingesting this bitch fest, and thats all it is, and its the same complaints over and over again. We as managers need to manage risk, so if you get caught with your pants down then thats on you or its just bad luck. Its not up to the rest of us to bend and change rules to protect you and your precious lineups. As has been stated a thousand times… it happens to all of us. Frankly if you were interested in starting Bradley this week after he had been shelled 4 times in a row then maybe extra moves isnt what you need.

i look forward to this thread disappearing into the abyss and never being commented on again.

+1

[Fourslot40]

You know what, I've had this happen to me several times this year. I had Cueto last week and Cosart the week before. I don't want a rule change. I'm up on this information and know the risk. That is part of the game. I may be one of the few here that played this game on a higher level and I was always disappointed in dudes who called out umpires on balls and strikes because they lost in a close game or made some sort of excuse as if they had some sort of disadvantage. What about the fact that there were multiple errors or offensive opportunities earlier? What about that umpires called it both ways behind the plate? Nobody seems to want to recognize this. It's always, I LOST because of this in the last inning or a move in the the last week... How about recognizing what you have done throughout your body of work over the course of play that is under the same rules as every single human being you are competing against? Own your actions.

[GetALife]

Can of corn big fella! Go good guys. Go get em' 40 slot!

[Cocktails and Dreams]

I am curious why so many people say something is "fair" and other things are not "fair." This is blown way out of proportion. Any rule is "fair." Everyone plays by whatever rule is in place. There is no fair or unfair. This is about getting the best set of rules possible. Whatever rules are decided upon are fair. Let's just get the rules the best they can be.

[Driver Love]

I will respectfully disagree with those mocking or attacking others who have kept this thread active. Whether you agree or disagree with a rule change idea I think it is wrong to try to shout down the discussion. Fantasy sports have evolved and morphed a lot during the 24 years that I have been playing it. All of those evolutions started with discussions like this. I think they are good to have whether you agree or disagree with the proposed changes. Good conversation is how the best and worst practices get filtered out and identified.

[Yah Mule]

I will respectfully disagree with those mocking or attacking others who have kept this thread active. Whether you agree or disagree with a rule change idea I think it is wrong to try to shout down the discussion. Fantasy sports have evolved and morphed a lot during the 24 years that I have been playing it. All of those evolutions started with discussions like this. I think they are good to have whether you agree or disagree with the proposed changes. Good conversation is how the best and worst practices get filtered out and identified.

Honestly, I'm amazed to see any conversation have these kind of legs on this board. Early in the season, a poster mentioned how he was glad he invested in a particular player who was off to a fast start. About the second response was some mean spirited comment ridiculing the guy for bragging (or maybe for just enjoying the hobby, who the hell knows) and of course, the thread died right there.

So, its hardly a surprise to see actual debates about rules and regs get derailed by ad hominem bullshit.

[Gekko]

Bye bye raisel. I'm guessing A LOT of owners are taking a zero from his spot this week

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Really wish a simple rule could be put in place. If your guy hasn't pitched by Friday let him come out if you have another option that has not pitched. Yeah you can take a closer out if you want for a starter you didn't find adequate to play when the weak started. Who cares, go for it if you want. But this garbage out of the blue just keeps happening to everyone. Gray last week. Matz this week. If this is supposed to be a game of skill, then why are we hampered by not allowing such moves that allow for skill to take over. Doesn't seem to be very good reasons why such a change should not be allowed. Who cares if a guy takes a closer out? Can very easily backfire.

[GetALife]

Really wish a simple rule could be put in place. If your guy hasn't pitched by Friday let him come out if you have another option that has not pitched. Yeah you can take a closer out if you want for a starter you didn't find adequate to play when the weak started. Who cares, go for it if you want. But this garbage out of the blue just keeps happening to everyone. Gray last week. Matz this week. If this is supposed to be a game of skill, then why are we hampered by not allowing such moves that allow for skill to take over. Doesn't seem to be very good reasons why such a change should not be allowed. Who cares if a guy takes a closer out? Can very easily backfire.

And how about this idea......pull out a 2 start pitcher so he doesn't get that second start. For example, said pitcher gets rocked in start 1, and you just know it might happen again over the weekend. Why can't I pull him out of the lineup and replace him with someone who already pitched/won't be getting a start Friday-Sunday?

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Really wish a simple rule could be put in place. If your guy hasn't pitched by Friday let him come out if you have another option that has not pitched. Yeah you can take a closer out if you want for a starter you didn't find adequate to play when the weak started. Who cares, go for it if you want. But this garbage out of the blue just keeps happening to everyone. Gray last week. Matz this week. If this is supposed to be a game of skill, then why are we hampered by not allowing such moves that allow for skill to take over. Doesn't seem to be very good reasons why such a change should not be allowed. Who cares if a guy takes a closer out? Can very easily backfire.

And how about this idea......pull out a 2 start pitcher so he doesn't get that second start. For example, said pitcher gets rocked in start 1, and you just know it might happen again over the weekend. Why can't I pull him out of the lineup and replace him with someone who already pitched/won't be getting a start Friday-Sunday?

Because he already pitched. What you are suggesting is having full streaming of pitchers on the weekends, which I personally like better. Greg is very much against it however, and I can understand that viewpoint.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Jordan Zimmerman the next one.

[King of Queens]

Really wish a simple rule could be put in place. If your guy hasn't pitched by Friday let him come out if you have another option that has not pitched. Yeah you can take a closer out if you want for a starter you didn't find adequate to play when the weak started. Who cares, go for it if you want. But this garbage out of the blue just keeps happening to everyone. Gray last week. Matz this week. If this is supposed to be a game of skill, then why are we hampered by not allowing such moves that allow for skill to take over. Doesn't seem to be very good reasons why such a change should not be allowed. Who cares if a guy takes a closer out? Can very easily backfire.

Chad, we agree on this point. Two things to keep in mind:

1) Nothing can be done until 2016 (at the earliest)

2) it would require a programming change which, well, you know the rest

[DOUGHBOYS]

Hahn, Zimmerman, and Matz this week....

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Yeah obviously it could not go into affect this year. As for programming maybe it would need to be written as any pitcher that has not put up a pitching statistic yet for the work can be removed. That might help them a little bit. This day and age of technology, it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

There doesn't seem to be very good reasons against being able to get these guys out of your lineup if you have an option that has not pitched yet. And these changes should only be able to be made before the weekend, like the batters. Very simple, very clean. Nobody can avoid one tough start and partake in the other start of the week. Yes, people could change their mind on a weekend starter from time to time. Is that so bad? yes, people could take out a closer that hasn't pitched yet for a starter that they didn't deem worthy back on Monday. Is that so bad? Most importantly, people would not have to eat zeros from a pitcher that unexpectedly did not or will not pitch for whatever reason. Sometimes you may not have an option that hasn't pitched. Many times you will. Having the choice to put that player in there seems like a positive thing for the game to me.

[King of Queens]

I don't believe that lockouts can be programmed to occur while games are in play. Thus, as I stated earlier in this thread, it would have to take place during the small window between the Friday morning refresh and the first game played on Friday.

No stats accumulated for pitchers on both active and reserve roster, you can make a 1-for-1 swap. Simple and easy.

[GetALife]

Really wish a simple rule could be put in place. If your guy hasn't pitched by Friday let him come out if you have another option that has not pitched. Yeah you can take a closer out if you want for a starter you didn't find adequate to play when the weak started. Who cares, go for it if you want. But this garbage out of the blue just keeps happening to everyone. Gray last week. Matz this week. If this is supposed to be a game of skill, then why are we hampered by not allowing such moves that allow for skill to take over. Doesn't seem to be very good reasons why such a change should not be allowed. Who cares if a guy takes a closer out? Can very easily backfire.

And how about this idea......pull out a 2 start pitcher so he doesn't get that second start. For example, said pitcher gets rocked in start 1, and you just know it might happen again over the weekend. Why can't I pull him out of the lineup and replace him with someone who already pitched/won't be getting a start Friday-Sunday?

Because he already pitched. What you are suggesting is having full streaming of pitchers on the weekends, which I personally like better. Greg is very much against it however, and I can understand that viewpoint.

Well, I mean pulling out a pitcher and replacing him with a pitcher that will not be pitching friday-sunday. For example, if let's say Pelfrey gives up 8 ER in 1 and 1/3 IP on Monday. Well, I don't want to risk him doing that again on Saturday/Sunday. Therefore, I should be able to remove him on Friday and replace him with a pitcher that will not be pitching over the weekend. I'm not gaining any chance increasing K's or W's, but I might save my ERA and WHIP. Lol. This would be too complicated anyway because the pitcher you replace him with that wasn't supposed to pitch could end up pitching for some reason in extra innings or something. It wouldn't work.

[GetALife]

What was the reasoning behind eliminating streaming of pitchers in the first place? I've been playing for many years now, but I can't remember.

[Captain Hook]

What was the reasoning behind eliminating streaming of pitchers in the first place? I've been playing for many years now, but I can't remember.

I am guessing it is simply that it wasn't how the NFBC game was created.

However several of the longtime players here will remember the WCOFF format (which NFBC HOFer Shawn Childs wrote most of) that had M and F lineup changes for all players. We thought that was an excellent format.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

I don't believe that lockouts can be programmed to occur while games are in play. Thus, as I stated earlier in this thread, it would have to take place during the small window between the Friday morning refresh and the first game played on Friday.

No stats accumulated for pitchers on both active and reserve roster, you can make a 1-for-1 swap. Simple and easy.

Yeah absolutely no in game nonsense. My thought would be that a move could be made at any point after the rosters are all locked for the first period of the week. But they only go through on Friday if the replaced guy has not built any pitching stats. And you have until that teams roster lock time on Friday to get the move in, just like the batters.

Strategically, it would not have a dramatic effect on the game we already have. Yes, you will have some crafty players try to manage it here and there. But it will be rare that a true advantage could be gained. You could potentially take out a closer that has not pitched for a starter that you did not think was good enough to play on Monday. He can get blown up and the closer can save a game or two. Not that big of a deal. The options one would have to put in for the replaced pitcher won't always be good, and sometimes won't even exist. But it would make things more enjoyable than simply eating zeros from Cueto, Gray, Matz, Hahn, and several others that have happened. Bad enough your guy is injured. At least let us get a guy in on Friday, if we have an eligible player. Under this proposed method, everyone that has that pitcher in the lineup that week will get the same stats for that player. Clear cut. If you pitched by roster lock Friday you are locked in or locked out. There is no circumventing any rules to be cute, like the DL rule.

[TOXIC ASSETS]

Good timing for this thread to re-appear.
Brandon Beachy is starting his first game of the season on Saturday.
But most of us are going to have to wait, before plugging him in the lineups.
Changing over to a Friday deadline for pitchers, seems to make a lot of sense.

[Atlas]

Good timing for this thread to re-appear.
Brandon Beachy is starting his first game of the season on Saturday.
But most of us are going to have to wait, before plugging him in the lineups.
Changing over to a Friday deadline for pitchers, seems to make a lot of sense.

I believe Jordan Zimmermann lost a start to paternity leave this weekend.
If we can't have Friday moves, can we have Labor Laws??

[King of Queens]

Zimmermann is back from Babyland and starting today.