Jose Reyes Remains Locked For This Week

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Reyes was locked for everyone at the same time. Stop the BS.

When was that? It was sometime well after he was traded in the middle of the night. Nobody knows when. And never ever should we be at a disadvantage for not paying around the clock attention to our fantasy baseball teams. And that is why it is a horrific ruling and furthermore the rules were not followed. It is pretty simple. The rules say you have until the day that player has a game at his game time roster lock to make a move. This was not the case. Reyes was not on a team that played a baseball game. No way he should be locked. And he sure as hell should not be locked in the middle of the night when people were able to make a transaction at 2 in the morning to take him out. It is bs. I am sorry if you are not capable of understanding that.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Greg: Do you think that it is fair that someone that has an option to take Zobrist out and finds out about the trade immediately and goes and makes the change. Maybe the tech person in charge of making the roster designation was having lunch, taking a break, hitting the can, whatever. He quickly gets the move in.

Another guy that is in a work meeting in the middle of the afternoon, checks the news 20 minutes later. Zobrist is locked. He cannot do anything about it. Yet another person could just minutes earlier? I find that to be asinine. Yet that is the rule you guys put into play today. Do you think that is a good management decision by the NFBC?

[Fourslot40]

How many guys didn't have Reyes in their lineup to begin the week, especially with the Phillies on tap the following week? I have to think that this impacts such a very small percentage. I understand that the argument is more about principle and I can see both sides of the argument, however we expect that we can be burned by what goes on at the trade deadline. Being on the right or wrong side of something out of your control is no different in this specific situation than any other we deal with in a given year.

In DFS (Fanduel), you have to be careful on who you roster during the deadline because of a potential late scratch via a trade.

[headhunters]

I scan read all this- my eyes start bleeding if I read it word for word. but- I moved reyes out of my lineup in one league for the 31st period before I read this. in my main event league I have tulo- he is locked for 31st. I am not going to move him- but one guy locked all week and the other guy not? kinda weird.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Greg: Do you think that it is fair that someone that has an option to take Zobrist out and finds out about the trade immediately and goes and makes the change. Maybe the tech person in charge of making the roster designation was having lunch, taking a break, hitting the can, whatever. He quickly gets the move in.

Another guy that is in a work meeting in the middle of the afternoon, checks the news 20 minutes later. Zobrist is locked. He cannot do anything about it. Yet another person could just minutes earlier? I find that to be asinine. Yet that is the rule you guys put into play today. Do you think that is a good management decision by the NFBC?

Chad, we changed the rule a few years ago to allow Set Lineups until Tuesday to give NFBC owners more flexibility and it has worked well for everyone. As for programming, our setup is programmed just like every other site would have it: The trigger for the starting date and time of the week for every player is tied to his team designation. There has to be a way for every player to be accounted for each and every week and the team designation is that trigger, no different than any other industry site has it. Now the only way to roll that back is to manually do that for each affected player, not only this week but every week because a trade could happen on any Monday or Tuesday. That's not an ideal solution.

The team designation did not change as soon as it was reported on the Internet. It happened when MLB officially designated it, which triggers when our changes are made. Like you said in the Reyes case, this happened after 2 am. He was put on a team that played on Monday and thus was locked at that time. You are right, in the rules we are going to have to add the team designation as the determining factor in the weekly start time more than the player himself. It's impossible to imagine every scenario that could arise during the season for the rules, but this needs more clarification. Definitely.

The debate is whether owners should have been allowed to move Reyes in or out of their lineups between the time of the trade and when he was officially locked in our system, and the same for Zobrist on Tuesday afternoon. Everyone had that same ability to move them in or out of their lineups this week, but once they were officially on a team that already played on Monday they were locked for the week.

[Navel Lint]

You are right, in the rules we are going to have to add the team designation as the determining factor in the weekly start time more than the player himself. It's impossible to imagine every scenario that could arise during the season for the rules, but this needs more clarification. Definitely.

Greg, this is slightly off topic and I don’t want to take this thread on a different course, but I feel it fits in with the comment you have posted.

Last month there was a long thread about how and when pitchers are activated in our lineups and if we could change the rule to allow Friday swaps.
There were multiple rule changes proposed, some good, some bad.
However, with each proposal, a possible scenario was identified that created a “flaw”, “loophole”, “technical difficulty” or whatever phrase you want to use; that could make the application of the proposed rule unequal for ALL players .
Some people thought it to be ridiculous to point out each one-in-a-million possibility. They might be right.

I just want you to remember this current event next winter when you are considering a new Pitcher-Swap rule. As you said, “it’s impossible to imagine every scenario”, and while each rules “clarification” may seem minor to the NFBC as a whole, to the one or two players it effects, it’s not a minor issue…………

Now back to this thread…………………..

[Greg Ambrosius]

You are right, in the rules we are going to have to add the team designation as the determining factor in the weekly start time more than the player himself. It's impossible to imagine every scenario that could arise during the season for the rules, but this needs more clarification. Definitely.

Greg, this is slightly off topic and I don’t want to take this thread on a different course, but I feel it fits in with the comment you have posted.

Last month there was a long thread about how and when pitchers are activated in our lineups and if we could change the rule to allow Friday swaps.
There were multiple rule changes proposed, some good, some bad.
However, with each proposal, a possible scenario was identified that created a “flaw”, “loophole”, “technical difficulty” or whatever phrase you want to use; that could make the application of the proposed rule unequal for ALL players .
Some people thought it to be ridiculous to point out each one-in-a-million possibility. They might be right.

I just want you to remember this current event next winter when you are considering a new Pitcher-Swap rule. As you said, “it’s impossible to imagine every scenario”, and while each rules “clarification” may seem minor to the NFBC as a whole, to the one or two players it effects, it’s not a minor issue…………

Now back to this thread…………………..

Of course, but that doesn't stop you from looking at technology and finding out if the current setup can be improved. If we can help the game with Friday pitcher moves we should look at every possible way to do that on the technology side without making it more difficult than a quick decision each Friday. And I am going to do that.

That doesn't mean we'll find the perfect solution, but I think there is a better option if we can program it. We're still discussing it and always looking to make the game as good as it can be. It will never be perfect for every single user, but improving it is always the goal.

[Navel Lint]

You are right, in the rules we are going to have to add the team designation as the determining factor in the weekly start time more than the player himself. It's impossible to imagine every scenario that could arise during the season for the rules, but this needs more clarification. Definitely.

Greg, this is slightly off topic and I don’t want to take this thread on a different course, but I feel it fits in with the comment you have posted.

Last month there was a long thread about how and when pitchers are activated in our lineups and if we could change the rule to allow Friday swaps.
There were multiple rule changes proposed, some good, some bad.
However, with each proposal, a possible scenario was identified that created a “flaw”, “loophole”, “technical difficulty” or whatever phrase you want to use; that could make the application of the proposed rule unequal for ALL players .
Some people thought it to be ridiculous to point out each one-in-a-million possibility. They might be right.

I just want you to remember this current event next winter when you are considering a new Pitcher-Swap rule. As you said, “it’s impossible to imagine every scenario”, and while each rules “clarification” may seem minor to the NFBC as a whole, to the one or two players it effects, it’s not a minor issue…………

Now back to this thread…………………..

Of course, but that doesn't stop you from looking at technology and finding out if the current setup can be improved. If we can help the game with Friday pitcher moves we should look at every possible way to do that on the technology side without making it more difficult than a quick decision each Friday. And I am going to do that.

That doesn't mean we'll find the perfect solution, but I think there is a better option if we can program it. We're still discussing it and always looking to make the game as good as it can be. It will never be perfect for every single user, but improving it is always the goal.

Understood. Thanks

[Deadheadz]

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I got to this thread late so forgive my ignorance on the situation but I did read most of the posts before my own.

Today Reyes played and was 1-for-3 with a SB. Do you still want him out of your lineup? You must have really good AVG and SB totals already.


You guys must all be playing in more competitive leagues than I, since I don't think I know of any teams benching Reyes or Zobrist.



(for those of you wishing this thread would die, the Thread Killer has spoken)
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[Sebadiah23]

Its the guys in the high-stakes 12-teamers (Primetime) who own literally 15 teams from that contest alone and want special treatment in the time crunch- my head would be spinning too with all of those teams to manage.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Greg: Do you think that it is fair that someone that has an option to take Zobrist out and finds out about the trade immediately and goes and makes the change. Maybe the tech person in charge of making the roster designation was having lunch, taking a break, hitting the can, whatever. He quickly gets the move in.

Another guy that is in a work meeting in the middle of the afternoon, checks the news 20 minutes later. Zobrist is locked. He cannot do anything about it. Yet another person could just minutes earlier? I find that to be asinine. Yet that is the rule you guys put into play today. Do you think that is a good management decision by the NFBC?

Chad, we changed the rule a few years ago to allow Set Lineups until Tuesday to give NFBC owners more flexibility and it has worked well for everyone. As for programming, our setup is programmed just like every other site would have it: The trigger for the starting date and time of the week for every player is tied to his team designation. There has to be a way for every player to be accounted for each and every week and the team designation is that trigger, no different than any other industry site has it. Now the only way to roll that back is to manually do that for each affected player, not only this week but every week because a trade could happen on any Monday or Tuesday. That's not an ideal solution.

The team designation did not change as soon as it was reported on the Internet. It happened when MLB officially designated it, which triggers when our changes are made. Like you said in the Reyes case, this happened after 2 am. He was put on a team that played on Monday and thus was locked at that time. You are right, in the rules we are going to have to add the team designation as the determining factor in the weekly start time more than the player himself. It's impossible to imagine every scenario that could arise during the season for the rules, but this needs more clarification. Definitely.

The debate is whether owners should have been allowed to move Reyes in or out of their lineups between the time of the trade and when he was officially locked in our system, and the same for Zobrist on Tuesday afternoon. Everyone had that same ability to move them in or out of their lineups this week, but once they were officially on a team that already played on Monday they were locked for the week.

Did it ever cross your mind to not change the team designation until after roster lock like I suggested to you? This shouldn't be that complicated. The rules were not followed. And your ruling created a situation where some people were able to do things that others were not, depending on if they were able to follow their team 24 hours a day or not. It is really bad to create such circumstances. If you wait to change the team designation until roster like this was all avoidable. And if it is automated to change, then it cannot be very hard to quickly change it back. It might not be the most convenient thing in the world for you guys, but it is what should have been done. It isn't convenient for us to run our teams at 2 am or be penalized for not running them at 2am. Roster lock deadlines are there for a reason. And they were compromised here.

The software excuse gets old. It is always lack of software. The lineup flexibility option still not there either. So we have to waste time shuffling guys around on Monday Tuesday and Friday for no reason whatsoever. And some situations are unavoidable due to the limitations. And that is what this boiled down to. Nobody wanted to take the time to figure out a solution so you just go with the ruling that is most convenient to not change the software. All it takes to avoid this is to hold off on roster designation change until roster lock, just like I suggested to you.

I cannot possibly overstate how mind boggling it is that you have rules that penalize people that cannot be by a computer 24-7. It is just like free for all free agent leagues in football. Do you like those? Where you can pluck the backup running back in the middle of a game if the starter gets hurt? Ofcourse not. Just like I don't like this. It is ridiculous.

I also love how you always go to the "when MLB designates it card." That is comical. As if your software is tied to the MLB office or something. Joe told me you would use that card. Just like clockwork. You use that to sound official, but it is a complete cop out bs excuse. I am sure the major league commish hits a button to activate the new NFBC team designations after he approves the trade.

Fact is this was mangled big time in numerous ways. You have to at least use your own rules you have for the game. You didn't even do that. And then opted to make it an even bigger debacle by allowing some to do something others couldn't.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

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I got to this thread late so forgive my ignorance on the situation but I did read most of the posts before my own.

Today Reyes played and was 1-for-3 with a SB. Do you still want him out of your lineup? You must have really good AVG and SB totals already.


You guys must all be playing in more competitive leagues than I, since I don't think I know of any teams benching Reyes or Zobrist.



(for those of you wishing this thread would die, the Thread Killer has spoken)


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The results after the fact are irrelevant. It was also possible Reyes would never play at all this period. Many teams, including most of mine, did not have a replacement for Reyes that had yet to play. But on those that did, it was Kang. And yes I would much rather play Kang for 3 than Reyes for anywhere from 0 to 2 games. And that remains the case, not matter what the results are after the fact.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Its the guys in the high-stakes 12-teamers (Primetime) who own literally 15 teams from that contest alone and want special treatment in the time crunch- my head would be spinning too with all of those teams to manage.

I would never want special treatment. I hate special treatment. That is exactly why I hate how this was handled, with some being able to do things others could not.

[Deadheadz]

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Well, this sure is interesting.

After the rosters for Toronto and Minnesota locked for the lone early game today I noticed that I had one DC team with Danny Valencia still active despite the fact he was DFA'd after the Jays traded for Ben Revere. My bad.

Now after the Jays game is complete (nice debut for Price btw) I read that Valencia has been claimed by the Athletics.

Wouldn't you know it, Danny Valencia is now UNlocked again and I have the ability to move him out or decide if I want to leave him in. Based on the timing, I think this worked properly but I can see how the Jose Reyes news came so late in the day there could have been a lot of managers who didn't see the news or were able to react to it until morning.

Seems like it's automated so we're at least all playing by the same rules.


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[Cocktails and Dreams]

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Well, this sure is interesting.

After the rosters for Toronto and Minnesota locked for the lone early game today I noticed that I had one DC team with Danny Valencia still active despite the fact he was DFA'd after the Jays traded for Ben Revere. My bad.

Now after the Jays game is complete (nice debut for Price btw) I read that Valencia has been claimed by the Athletics.

Wouldn't you know it, Danny Valencia is now UNlocked again and I have the ability to move him out or decide if I want to leave him in. Based on the timing, I think this worked properly but I can see how the Jose Reyes news came so late in the day there could have been a lot of managers who didn't see the news or were able to react to it until morning.

Seems like it's automated so we're at least all playing by the same rules.


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Not an acceptable set. No way we should have to manage NFBC teams around the clock. It is ridiculous. And furthermore, you should not be able to take Valencia out given the ridiculous rules. It is exactly like the Tulowitki situation. This is more proof how ridiculous this set of rules is. They only change what they are made aware of. It is mind boggling to me that there is inconsistency in high stakes fantasy baseball and that some people are allowed to make moves that others cannot based on sleep schedule etc. Automated team changes that nobody knows when will happen. Exactly how it should not be handled.