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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Fast Eddie » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:40 am

Baseball Furies wrote:
chiznad21 wrote:Why is it that you see a "anonymous" name in leagues sign ups? Can someone educate me here as to why this is? Im sure there is a reasonable explanation but it seems a bit odd to me. Additionally, I and I'm sure others watch to see who joins what leagues for all different kinds of reasons. We should all be able to see who we are competing with.......Whats the secret????

Primarily this is allowed (although I'm not for it either) because there are a few persons who compete in this competition who suffer from paranoia manifesting itself in the form of an identity complex which compels them to believe that if they were to post their true names upon entering a league, that others would choose to join these leagues to learn about their draft picks or strategies. Then in turn, these "lesser" players would want to emulate the supposedly "greater" anonymous players to gain a competitive advantage over them by taking their players in the higher stakes drafts or auctions. All of this of course stems form the anonymous players' obsessive desire to feed their fragile egos and their delusions of grandeur. :P :lol: :lol:
Without knowing for sure my guess is Furies has hit the nail on the head here. Just be ready to defend your picks...God forbid you take one of "Anonymous" next best available players just before him then you will have to deal with another conspiracy theory when "Anonymous" is done stomping his feet and flailing his arms... :lol:

Gimme a break

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Gekko » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:41 am

sheep want to turn into a wolf by stealing.

Gimme a break :roll: :lol:

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by DukeDean » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:03 pm

Stealing???

Haha, that's hilarious that you think that way.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Gekko » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:10 pm

Hilarious, but true! ;)

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Baseball Furies » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:31 pm

Actually it really doesn't matter what anyone has to say about this issue anymore, because Greg made a ruling on it last year, but due to whatever circumstances he has not yet enforced it and made the change to the policy which he should. It was in black and white for all of us to see. Exceptions should not be being made for a couple of people who truly believe that they are being "stalked" for their picks or need to hide from the IRS or their significant others which in and of themselves are asinine arguments. Everyone in these competitions, given the money at stake, the different levels of competitive skill, and the various personalities involved, have the right to know who they are competing against. Notice how you do not see anyone competing in the Platinum at $15,000 a pop listed as anonymous. You know why? Because they don't give a rat's ass about the other competitors, their strategies, or their picks and who may find out about them as their main concern. They're too busy trying to be great all on their own. Time for the anonymouses to get over themselves and move on.
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Gekko » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:39 pm

Baseball Furies wrote:Actually it really doesn't matter what anyone has to say about this issue anymore, because Greg made a ruling on it last year, but due to whatever circumstances he has not yet enforced it and made the change to the policy which he should. It was in black and white for all of us to see. Exceptions should not be being made for a couple of people who truly believe that they are being "stalked" for their picks or need to hide from the IRS or their significant others which in and of themselves are asinine arguments. Everyone in these competitions, given the money at stake, the different levels of competitive skill, and the various personalities involved, have the right to know who they are competing against. Notice how you do not see anyone competing in the Platinum at $15,000 a pop listed as anonymous. You know why? Because they don't give a rat's ass about the other competitors, their strategies, or their picks and who may find out about them as their main concern. They're too busy trying to be great all on their own. Time for the anonymouses to get over themselves and move on.
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by chiznad21 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:52 pm

Ding Ding MTM.......perfectly put......

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Teufel Hunden » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:24 pm

For me the most important takeaway from this thread is how strongly Gekko has defended "anonymous". Gekko I know that your intent was to stand up for the little guy, "anonymous". You could have chosen to stay quiet, or anonymous, but you did not. For that I applaud you!

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Baseball Furies » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:28 pm

Teufel Hunden wrote:For me the most important takeaway from this thread is how strongly Gekko has defended "anonymous". Gekko I know that your intent was to stand up for the little guy, "anonymous". You could have chosen to stay quiet, or anonymous, but you did not. For that I applaud you!
Unfortunately the "little guys" in this case are not members of the "anonymous". But again, a moot point. Greg has already ruled on this and there are to be no more anonymous entries unless he decides to reverse his position on this.
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by BK METS » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:37 pm

FWIW, "Anonymous" is really not that good of a drafter, in fact, he/she is pretty awful. In all of the leagues that "anonymous" has been in one of my leagues, he/she has never won a league title.

If "anonymous" is trying to stay that way, because he is worried someone might steal his or her's dynamic strategy, it might take on the opposite effect... He/she is staying anonymous so no one knows he/she is awful at this. This is fact.

Either way, I don't agree that this is fishy in any way. If that would be the case, you are saying that the NFBC is part of the conspiracy and that just would not happen here. Greg/Tom are not going to be part of anything that isnt above board. That is for sure. Greg made a ruling in the past that after February 15th, it ends for anonymous. Whether he does the same or not this year, I don't know, but accusations of it being fishy or not above board, is just someone who doesnt know the integrity of these guys.

Personally, I think anonymous should just come out and let us know who he is. It will be a Spiderman/Peter Parker moment for all of us (or shall I say Wonder Woman) :lol: :lol:

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Gekko » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:49 pm

Teufel Hunden wrote:For me the most important takeaway from this thread is how strongly Gekko has defended "anonymous". Gekko I know that your intent was to stand up for the little guy, "anonymous". You could have chosen to stay quiet, or anonymous, but you did not. For that I applaud you!
Thank you. 8-)

I don't mind standing up against blowhard owners who try to belittle other owners into showing their cards so they can steal their picks moving forward. If there are owners out there who think "stealing" of draft picks does not takes place, they are 100% certifiably delusional. These draft boards are traded like baseball cards. Anyone can get intel on participants using their real name.

Personally, I think every team should be listed as anonymous until the season starts.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Yah Mule » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:08 pm

Gekko wrote:
Teufel Hunden wrote:For me the most important takeaway from this thread is how strongly Gekko has defended "anonymous". Gekko I know that your intent was to stand up for the little guy, "anonymous". You could have chosen to stay quiet, or anonymous, but you did not. For that I applaud you!
Thank you. 8-)

I don't mind standing up against blowhard owners who try to belittle other owners into showing their cards so they can steal their picks moving forward. If there are owners out there who think "stealing" of draft picks does not takes place, they are 100% certifiably delusional. These draft boards are traded like baseball cards. Anyone can get intel on participants using their real name.

Personally, I think every team should be listed as anonymous until the season starts.
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I'll say this much, you don't need a larcenous heart to quickly recognize some of the players your competition likes after a few drafts. If you wanted, you could scan the rosters of anybody you share three drafts with and ascertain who they plan to sink or swim with this season.

In that sense, total anonymity until draft day sounds pretty good. In fact, if it were put to a vote, I might well cast my ballot that way. I don't see it ever happening, though. I believe Greg and Tom like the (generally) friendly camaraderie these leagues have created and going total blackout just kind of kicks that concept in the balls, IMO.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by DukeDean » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:25 pm

I am of the belief, that most of participants here have "their guys" at every stage of the draft. It takes a lot of hubris to think otherwise. Your "playbook" isn't as valuable as you might think. No way you are changing a Dan Semsel's or a Lindy Hinkleman's mind on a player. Any competitor worth his salt won't budge from their rankings. I agree there are many sycophants in fantasy sports, but they usually drop off at the $50 bar leagues. Very few boot lickers have the sack to put up a $1000+.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Yah Mule » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:40 pm

DukeDean wrote:I am of the belief, that most of participants here have "their guys" at every stage of the draft. It takes a lot of hubris to think otherwise. Your "playbook" isn't as valuable as you might think. No way you are changing a Dan Semsel's or a Lindy Hinkleman's mind on a player. Any competitor worth his salt won't budge from their rankings. I agree there are many sycophants in fantasy sports, but they usually drop off at the $50 bar leagues. Very few boot lickers have the sack to put up a $1000+.
It might not change anyone's mind about a player, but I suppose it could encourage them to move a player that they like up a round or two.

Ultimately, though, you're correct. Most people playing here are doing so because they're very confident in their ability to play this game. I would further venture to say the overwhelming majority of NFBC players wouldn't want an edge that was gained unfairly.

I also think anybody adding this extra element to all the other factors you need to control during a draft is probably going to lose more than they gain. People's opinions about players change in the months leading up to the season. If you're trying to draft your Main Event team based on your second hand impressions of someone's DC draft done six weeks earlier, you're probably going to wind up part of the donor class that season.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by chiznad21 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:09 pm

I respect all of your opinions n feedback. Im not insinuating that at all BK Mets and if it comes across that way it was not intended. I reread my post and can see how you would think that. Greg n Tom do a fantastic job and I believe are completely integrity driven. Something just doesn't sit right with me. And maybe I am wrong but I believe that this anonymous has won and won several times....Like I said I might be wrong and actually hope that I am. My hope is that in the future anonymous is done away all together, for reasons already stated.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by BK METS » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:16 pm

DukeDean wrote:I am of the belief, that most of participants here have "their guys" at every stage of the draft. It takes a lot of hubris to think otherwise. Your "playbook" isn't as valuable as you might think. No way you are changing a Dan Semsel's or a Lindy Hinkleman's mind on a player. Any competitor worth his salt won't budge from their rankings. I agree there are many sycophants in fantasy sports, but they usually drop off at the $50 bar leagues. Very few boot lickers have the sack to put up a $1000+.
100% agree. The big difference is, Dan, Lindy, Glenn, KJ, and all of the best drafters in the NFBC are not anonymous when they draft, yet they still win... A lot. So, the only thing "anonymous" is accomplishing is satisfying his own warped paranoia that someone actually cares who he drafts. Sure, there are those who choose to copy picks of some of the best drafters, but go to the Las Vegas, Chicago or New York drafts and you can take a picture of the best drafter's board and go to the next live draft and copy it completely. Doesn't mean you are going to win.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Ando » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:24 pm

Fwiw, Greg did state/rule that if someone entered a league and an Anonymous signed up for it later, the owner could request to be removed from that league.

This is much to do about nothing. I'd focus on draft prep as opposed to this thread if I was the original poster; you're just giving "Anonymous" an advantage. Just my two cents.
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by BK METS » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:29 pm

Ando wrote:Fwiw, Greg did state/rule that if someone entered a league and an Anonymous signed up for it later, the owner could request to be removed from that league.

This is much to do about nothing. I'd focus on draft prep as opposed to this thread if I was the original poster; you're just giving "Anonymous" an advantage. Just my two cents.
Agree, good point Matt. I know how you can guarantee not to win. Copy my MLBC draft. What an embarrassment. Nice job by the way. You should run away with the championship. Glenn a distant 2nd. :lol:

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:35 pm

chiznad21 wrote:I respect all of your opinions n feedback. Im not insinuating that at all BK Mets and if it comes across that way it was not intended. I reread my post and can see how you would think that. Greg n Tom do a fantastic job and I believe are completely integrity driven. Something just doesn't sit right with me. And maybe I am wrong but I believe that this anonymous has won and won several times....Like I said I might be wrong and actually hope that I am. My hope is that in the future anonymous is done away all together, for reasons already stated.
There is nothing 'fishy'. Out of the ordinary, yes.
Fishy no.
What doesn't sit right is that 14 poker players are at the table clean faced, while the other is wearing a hoodie and ski mask.
It's unsettling.
Like the poker player, 'anonymous' is not breaking any rules. And others are free to do the same.
Most of us though, do not choose to do that.
Maybe it'll come down to that. I hope not.
We enjoy the game. We enjoy the socializing.
We enjoy using first names to address others in a draft.
We can overlook the oddities of others. Or certainly live with them.

As far as winning and winning several times. I think of 'anonymous' as having an 80% chance of being Mark Srebro.
Mark has had a lot of success and prefers the anonymity tag.
If a beginner in the NFBC wants to copy the 'Players' being taken by somebody, there is an 80% chance that 'anonymous' may be the fella to copy!
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Gekko » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:36 pm

DukeDean wrote: Any competitor worth his salt won't budge from their rankings.Very few boot lickers have the sack to put up a $1000+.
interesting that the factual data doesn't support your opinion...
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But, I saw an interesting phenomena take place there and maybe you saw it too.
In his Main Event draft, Lindy took George Springer and Starling Marte with his 15th and 16th picks.
I've never seen word get around so fast to every table in who Lindy took and where.
In every draft thereafter, Springer and Marte's draft spot soared.

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:38 pm

Gekko wrote:
DOUGHBOYS wrote:
But, I saw an interesting phenomena take place there and maybe you saw it too.
In his Main Event draft, Lindy took George Springer and Starling Marte with his 15th and 16th picks.
I've never seen word get around so fast to every table in who Lindy took and where.
In every draft thereafter, Springer and Marte's draft spot soared.
I remember that like it was yesterday.
Man, the buzz around that room was like a swarm of bees.
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by Ando » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:40 pm

BK METS wrote:
Ando wrote:Fwiw, Greg did state/rule that if someone entered a league and an Anonymous signed up for it later, the owner could request to be removed from that league.

This is much to do about nothing. I'd focus on draft prep as opposed to this thread if I was the original poster; you're just giving "Anonymous" an advantage. Just my two cents.
Agree, good point Matt. I know how you can guarantee not to win. Copy my MLBC draft. What an embarrassment. Nice job by the way. You should run away with the championship. Glenn a distant 2nd. :lol:

I have a feeling that if I went back to the draft room today, Glenn would still be in there drafting more $5 players.....or telling his children horror stories about bears. :lol:
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by chiznad21 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:42 pm

Dan, your point is well taken and said very well. I don't believe it to be Mark....His email has " Chad" in it.....Im guessing it might be Schroeder?

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Re: Anonymous????

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:51 pm

chiznad21 wrote:Dan, your point is well taken and said very well. I don't believe it to be Mark....His email has " Chad" in it.....Im guessing it might be Schroeder?
If I had to guess one way or the other, I would say it is not Chad Schroeder in your draft.
I've drafted with Chad in open drafts where we tell the other 14 drafters, not only who we are taking, but why, also.
Those drafts are illuminating and Chad was quite open.
It is hard for me to imagine Chad going in as 'anonymous'.
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Re: Anonymous????

Post by chiznad21 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:19 pm

Ok, cool Dan.....I appreciate the info.....

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