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Post by Driver Love » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:30 am

Greg Ambrosius wrote:
Driver Love wrote:I am giving the mainstream media almost no credit besides being corrupt and agenda driven (can't see how anyone would see it any other way) and outlining that when the information flow is controlled the populous gets manipulated. I find it hard to believe that people are more informed and invested now in what is going on with their country as compared to 1950.
I usually stay out of these disputes, but James keeps drawing me in with each of his wild posts. I know that's what he's trying to do, but I can't help myself!! :shock:

So you can't see how anyone would see it any other way? I mean, I can't imagine saying that about any fact, more or less one that is political in nature. But I guess if you watch Fox News 100% of the time you can say something like that.

As for your second statement, are you kidding me? What source of news did folks have in 1950? It was the local paper and the radio. That's it. You really think people in 1950 were more informed about their country and the world than today where we have cable TV, satellite TV, network TV, satellite radio, Internet, and on and on and on? I hate to say it, but I can't see how anyone would see it YOUR way on that one.

I'll step aside, but those two lines really woke me up this morning. I love a good argument and I hope to find one about baseball again very soon.
Greg,

I am flatted I am inspiring you to post. The more Greg posts we get the better! Having said that, I am not seeing any "dispute." I do not see some back and forth hostility driven political dialogue here. There is no dispute that I see. Just some opinions being expressed, which I always thought was the primary reason for a message board. I also didn't state anything about the 1950's as 'fact' (thus I have no "sources") and clearly defined it as an opinion based on logic (which I will display in my next few sentences). Today we have corrupt, agenda driven media. We also have social media that is not regulated or fact checked in any way. It is a wild west of information and a staggering portion of that information is flawed or flat out wrong and it is often delivered in an inflammatory way that leads to a divided and completely uninformed or misinformed public. Your post (about all those media outlets) makes my point. In the past, there were limited ways to access information and there was much much much more journalistic integrity. I am open to a good argument too. But I don't see anyone arguing here, do you?

That is my point.

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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:38 am

diver, I get what you are saying. but this isn't a new thing. media has been entertainment for 30+ years. to expect anything other than that is a bit naive. doesn't make it right obviously, but it is what it is. there are decent sources of information out there, but you have to really dig.

i blame the "greatest" generation and their offspring, the baby boomers. all should be throat punched when they show up to vote, but that's just me

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:00 pm

We all like to think of the past as better.
Celebrities in the past had journalist and media in their pocket.
Integrity in the media back then?
Mobsters barely mentioned
Marilyn Monroe/John Kennedy
J Edgar Hoover
Chappaquidick
Etc, etc.

In the past, the stories came in trickles.
There weren't that many outlets or sources of information.
Today, they flood in.
And from many different sources and outlets.
They have many different slants.
Big deal.
It is up to us to process the information.
It's no different than talking to friends who saw the same event.
Each will have their own narrative on the same story.

Maybe some are endorsing less journalism as there was in 1950.
But don't think that the media of 1950 had more integrity than now.
Each still had their own agendas and own way of operation.
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Post by King of Queens » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:06 pm

Out of curiosity, why is this thread in the "General NFBC Discussion" as opposed to the "Non-Baseball Chat Room"?

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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:22 am

DOUGHBOYS wrote:We all like to think of the past as better.
Celebrities in the past had journalist and media in their pocket.
Integrity in the media back then?
Mobsters barely mentioned
Marilyn Monroe/John Kennedy
J Edgar Hoover
Chappaquidick
Etc, etc.

In the past, the stories came in trickles.
There weren't that many outlets or sources of information.
Today, they flood in.
And from many different sources and outlets.
They have many different slants.
Big deal.
It is up to us to process the information.
It's no different than talking to friends who saw the same event.
Each will have their own narrative on the same story.

Maybe some are endorsing less journalism as there was in 1950.
But don't think that the media of 1950 had more integrity than now.
Each still had their own agendas and own way of operation.
Here's the problem with your statement, Dan.
It is up to us to process the information.

Too many people are NOT processing the information, because they are too stupid, too biased, or don't have time. They take what the media says and run with it, and generally cast their vote on the D side. It's the main reason I'm clearly on the Trump bandwagon. He has given the media the middle finger from the get-go. He's called them out for being dishonest and biased. Even if he loses the election, he accomplished something.

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Post by headhunters » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:44 am

toxic- if you are going with trump and the media just know that nothing is just what it is - it is either really, really, really blank or really really fantastic. you need to really really really know that. really

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Post by headhunters » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:51 am

btw- all the presidents men was on last night. nixons press secretary- ziegler? said it was all media bias by the Post. 6 months later nixon had resigned and about 20 staffers were headed for jail. nixon vs mcgovern was the last election as bad as this one- and yes i disagree with all the supposed great things nixon did. kj- if you read this what was friedmans stance on the fed, gold standard and general monetary policy at that time?

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:00 am

headhunters wrote:btw- all the presidents men was on last night. nixons press secretary- ziegler? said it was all media bias by the Post. 6 months later nixon had resigned and about 20 staffers were headed for jail. nixon vs mcgovern was the last election as bad as this one- and yes i disagree with all the supposed great things nixon did. kj- if you read this what was friedmans stance on the fed, gold standard and general monetary policy at that time?
I watched that last night as well on TMC!! This thread made me watch it. Always loved the doggedness of Woodward & Bernstein. Thankfully those tough journalists stuck to their sources and uncovered the bullshit that the Republicans spewed to the American public.
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Post by BK METS » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:11 am

Compared to what Hillary has done, along with Bill Clinton, over the past 20 years, what Nixon did was jay walking. All press secretaries lie for their politicians, as much as the politicians themselves.

Clinton press secretary Nick Merrill previously told TIME Magazine that her attorneys had individually read every email to determine if it was a government document or personal correspondence. “Every one of the more than 60,000 emails were read. Period,” Merrill wrote in one email to a TIME reporter dated March 14, 2015.

The FBI concluded that this claim was false. “The lawyers doing the sorting for Secretary Clinton in 2014 did not individually read the content of all of her e-mails,” said FBI Director James Comey in a statement on Tuesday.

This is just one of countless numbers of allegations against Hillary Clinton and previously Bill Clinton. I could list them all, but I won't bore you. Just know that the Democrats spew just as much crap... but of course, the MSM will not be plastering it across all of the news outlets... instead, they are worried about Trump's every move.

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Post by BK METS » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:22 am

And its funny that you bring up Watergate.... As a House Judiciary Committee staffer in 1974, Hillary Clinton helped investigate the Watergate scandal that led to Richard Nixon’s resignation. She was soon fired by a supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman, who described her as an “unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.” He said. And that was just the beginning.

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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:29 am

whoa whoa whoa alen. ease up fella. hillary is a saint compared to bush. FACT

and don't get me started on reagan..........

this is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Post by BK METS » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:58 am

NorCalAtlFan wrote:whoa whoa whoa alen. ease up fella. hillary is a saint compared to bush. FACT

and don't get me started on reagan..........

this is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Post by BK METS » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:10 am

http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they ... dals-ever/

Above are 22 of her cover-ups, crimes, etc... There are more. But this is a pretty interesting read.

See below for her links to many suspicious deaths as well, during the Bill Clinton years and later, up until as recently as 2 weeks ago.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCH ... z4Dq0THZfw

But, keep thinking she is a saint. George Bush was not a very smart man but a crime riddled embarrassment, he was not.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:18 am

So, we are voting for...

A lying, cheating, rulebreaking, politically motivated bitch of a woman, who'll stand by and watch (figuratively) along with millions of others while her husband gets a hummer from an intern and not divorce him because of these same political aspirations, email conniving, crappy pants suit wearing, manipulating, political insiderish, corrupt bitch from Hell.

Or

A narcissistic, blowhard carny of a man, ill-equipped to deal with anything over his head, (which is everything), who has lost fortunes, and before running for President was featured in tabloids or 'E', who is more well known for saying "Your Fired!" than any real accomplishments, a man many of us feel uncomfortable in being close to 'the button', who is so rancid and unappealing that his own party holds their noses when he's around, a man more known for his hair, than what lies just under it.

We're screwed.
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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:29 am

DOUGHBOYS wrote:So, we are voting for...

A lying, cheating, rulebreaking, politically motivated bitch of a woman, who'll stand by and watch (figuratively) along with millions of others while her husband gets a hummer from an intern and not divorce him because of these same political aspirations, email conniving, crappy pants suit wearing, manipulating, political insiderish, corrupt bitch from Hell.

Or

A narcissistic, blowhard carny of a man, ill-equipped to deal with anything over his head, (which is everything), who has lost fortunes, and before running for President was featured in tabloids or 'E', who is more well known for saying "Your Fired!" than any real accomplishments, a man many of us feel uncomfortable in being close to 'the button', who is so rancid and unappealing that his own party holds their noses when he's around, a man more known for his hair, than what lies just under it.

We're screwed.
Sounds like a good preamble for the first debate.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:48 am

I would feel more comfortable in them being on 'Springer' than a National office.
It seems the standards for both have equalled.
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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:50 am

headhunters wrote:kj- if you read this what was friedmans stance on the fed, gold standard and general monetary policy at that time?
He was against Fed "tinkering", instead arguing for consistent slow-growth expansion of the monetary base. He was criticized after the fact for his views which would've turned out to be too restrictive. Globalization created dollar hoarding overseas which threw a wrench into the calculations of what would've constituted actual slow-growth expansion. Theory was sound but emerging markets growth and their desire to park newfound wealth in safer (U.S.) assets would allow for far more dollar creation without inflation than originally expected. His monetary theory could still be used, but adjusting for foreign demand would have to be built into the models.

The Fed has not done a great job on many fronts, but it's a very complex task and it performs far more apolitically and effectively than other branches of the Federal government. Fiscal policies, the venue of Congress and Presidents, have been the underlying cause of nearly all of our economic problems whereas monetary policy has the task of trying to manage around all of those mistakes to keep the economy going.

Looking at the past 20 years, a period where Fed criticism has grown louder, I would give them a "B-" grade. Tough job, some major mistakes but also helped prevent worse catastrophes. Congress/Presidents grade on fiscal policies grade out to an easy "F" through all the GWBush-Clinton-Obama years, complete failure ...so I'm quite happy they weren't also in charge of monetary policy.

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Post by swampass » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:11 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:So, we are voting for...

A lying, cheating, rulebreaking, politically motivated bitch of a woman, who'll stand by and watch (figuratively) along with millions of others while her husband gets a hummer from an intern and not divorce him because of these same political aspirations, email conniving, crappy pants suit wearing, manipulating, political insiderish, corrupt bitch from Hell.

Or

A narcissistic, blowhard carny of a man, ill-equipped to deal with anything over his head, (which is everything), who has lost fortunes, and before running for President was featured in tabloids or 'E', who is more well known for saying "Your Fired!" than any real accomplishments, a man many of us feel uncomfortable in being close to 'the button', who is so rancid and unappealing that his own party holds their noses when he's around, a man more known for his hair, than what lies just under it.

We're screwed.

Now write a blurb about all the wonderful accolades our current leader has or had before gaining office. While I was too young to remember all that went on but wasnt Reagan constantly ridiculed for being nothing more than a 2 bit actor? Sure he had some governing experience but wasnt that just scoffed at by all? like Schwarzenegger? Crazy Californians?

some here have said that Reagan was a terrible and corrupt politician but do you think someone else would have looked the russians in the eye and refuse to blink? To get them to tear down that wall? Donald Trump is not a bad man. He says things that people don't like. They say he is too out of control when he speaks and then he uses a teleprompter and everyone criticizes that too. Id rather listen to him talk then listen to all the "umms" that Obama says when he goes off teleprompter... he speaks like an utter moron. PS crooked hillary and the current moron in chief couldnt stop telling everyone how much they were like Reagan in 2008 so I guess some out there still see that Actor as one of our Greatest President ever.

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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:30 pm

just remember children, 7 1/2 years of obstructionism, wasteful spending, etc, and the candidate to emerge for the gop is trump.

that's actually quite impressive.

i think i'll vote for trump actually since my vote doesn't matter. then again, that would require me to vote. hmmm.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:56 pm

swampass wrote:Now write a blurb about all the wonderful accolades our current leader has or had before gaining office. While I was too young to remember all that went on but wasnt Reagan constantly ridiculed for being nothing more than a 2 bit actor? Sure he had some governing experience but wasnt that just scoffed at by all? like Schwarzenegger? Crazy Californians?

some here have said that Reagan was a terrible and corrupt politician but do you think someone else would have looked the russians in the eye and refuse to blink? To get them to tear down that wall? Donald Trump is not a bad man. He says things that people don't like. They say he is too out of control when he speaks and then he uses a teleprompter and everyone criticizes that too. Id rather listen to him talk then listen to all the "umms" that Obama says when he goes off teleprompter... he speaks like an utter moron. PS crooked hillary and the current moron in chief couldnt stop telling everyone how much they were like Reagan in 2008 so I guess some out there still see that Actor as one of our Greatest President ever.
I just love the crying on how President Obama has been "obstructed" by Congress when the Demoquacks held the Senate until 2015 and had HUGE majorities in both Houses of Congress the first two years of his administration...rich.

On Reagan, I wrote this just over two years ago and I think it has context now...

"I am wierd. I actually read and reread inaugurals. When I am down and in doubt about our economic posibilities, this one gives me reason to hope.

A little context on what President Reagan's inherited that even his ditractors cannot argue away.

In December 1980, the annual inflation rate was 13.58%. High by today's standards, but that had dropped to 4.08% by December 1988.

On January 9, 1981, the prime interest rate was 20.5%. By November 28, 1988 it was down to 10.5%.

In January 1981, the civilian labor participation rate was 63.2%. In December 1988 it was 65.9% (i.e. MORE Americans working).


January 20, 1981

Senator Hatfield, Mr. Chief Justice, Mr. President, Vice President Bush, Vice President Mondale, Senator Baker, Speaker O'Neill, Reverend Moomaw, and my fellow citizens: To a few of us here today, this is a solemn and most momentous occasion; and yet, in the history of our Nation, it is a commonplace occurrence. The orderly transfer of authority as called for in the Constitution routinely takes place as it has for almost two centuries and few of us stop to think how unique we really are. In the eyes of many in the world, this every-4-year ceremony we accept as normal is nothing less than a miracle.

Mr. President, I want our fellow citizens to know how much you did to carry on this tradition. By your gracious cooperation in the transition process, you have shown a watching world that we are a united people pledged to maintaining a political system which guarantees individual liberty to a greater degree than any other, and I thank you and your people for all your help in maintaining the continuity which is the bulwark of our Republic.

The business of our nation goes forward. These United States are confronted with an economic affliction of great proportions. We suffer from the longest and one of the worst sustained inflations in our national history. It distorts our economic decisions, penalizes thrift, and crushes the struggling young and the fixed-income elderly alike. It threatens to shatter the lives of millions of our people.

Idle industries have cast workers into unemployment, causing human misery and personal indignity. Those who do work are denied a fair return for their labor by a tax system which penalizes successful achievement and keeps us from maintaining full productivity.

But great as our tax burden is, it has not kept pace with public spending. For decades, we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals.

You and I, as individuals, can, by borrowing, live beyond our means, but for only a limited period of time. Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we are not bound by that same limitation?

We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow. And let there be no misunderstanding—we are going to begin to act, beginning today.

The economic ills we suffer have come upon us over several decades. They will not go away in days, weeks, or months, but they will go away. They will go away because we, as Americans, have the capacity now, as we have had in the past, to do whatever needs to be done to preserve this last and greatest bastion of freedom.

In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem.

From time to time, we have been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price.

We hear much of special interest groups. Our concern must be for a special interest group that has been too long neglected. It knows no sectional boundaries or ethnic and racial divisions, and it crosses political party lines. It is made up of men and women who raise our food, patrol our streets, man our mines and our factories, teach our children, keep our homes, and heal us when we are sick—professionals, industrialists, shopkeepers, clerks, cabbies, and truckdrivers. They are, in short, "We the people," this breed called Americans.

Well, this administration's objective will be a healthy, vigorous, growing economy that provides equal opportunity for all Americans, with no barriers born of bigotry or discrimination. Putting America back to work means putting all Americans back to work. Ending inflation means freeing all Americans from the terror of runaway living costs. All must share in the productive work of this "new beginning" and all must share in the bounty of a revived economy. With the idealism and fair play which are the core of our system and our strength, we can have a strong and prosperous America at peace with itself and the world.

So, as we begin, let us take inventory. We are a nation that has a government—not the other way around. And this makes us special among the nations of the Earth. Our Government has no power except that granted it by the people. It is time to check and reverse the growth of government which shows signs of having grown beyond the consent of the governed.

It is my intention to curb the size and influence of the Federal establishment and to demand recognition of the distinction between the powers granted to the Federal Government and those reserved to the States or to the people. All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government.

Now, so there will be no misunderstanding, it is not my intention to do away with government. It is, rather, to make it work—work with us, not over us; to stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it.

If we look to the answer as to why, for so many years, we achieved so much, prospered as no other people on Earth, it was because here, in this land, we unleashed the energy and individual genius of man to a greater extent than has ever been done before. Freedom and the dignity of the individual have been more available and assured here than in any other place on Earth. The price for this freedom at times has been high, but we have never been unwilling to pay that price.

It is no coincidence that our present troubles parallel and are proportionate to the intervention and intrusion in our lives that result from unnecessary and excessive growth of government. It is time for us to realize that we are too great a nation to limit ourselves to small dreams. We are not, as some would have us believe, doomed to an inevitable decline. I do not believe in a fate that will fall on us no matter what we do. I do believe in a fate that will fall on us if we do nothing. So, with all the creative energy at our command, let us begin an era of national renewal. Let us renew our determination, our courage, and our strength. And let us renew our faith and our hope.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we are in a time when there are no heroes just don't know where to look. You can see heroes every day going in and out of factory gates. Others, a handful in number, produce enough food to feed all of us and then the world beyond. You meet heroes across a counter—and they are on both sides of that counter. There are entrepreneurs with faith in themselves and faith in an idea who create new jobs, new wealth and opportunity. They are individuals and families whose taxes support the Government and whose voluntary gifts support church, charity, culture, art, and education. Their patriotism is quiet but deep. Their values sustain our national life.

I have used the words "they" and "their" in speaking of these heroes. I could say "you" and "your" because I am addressing the heroes of whom I speak—you, the citizens of this blessed land. Your dreams, your hopes, your goals are going to be the dreams, the hopes, and the goals of this administration, so help me God.

We shall reflect the compassion that is so much a part of your makeup. How can we love our country and not love our countrymen, and loving them, reach out a hand when they fall, heal them when they are sick, and provide opportunities to make them self-sufficient so they will be equal in fact and not just in theory?

Can we solve the problems confronting us? Well, the answer is an unequivocal and emphatic "yes." To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I did not take the oath I have just taken with the intention of presiding over the dissolution of the world's strongest economy.

In the days ahead I will propose removing the roadblocks that have slowed our economy and reduced productivity. Steps will be taken aimed at restoring the balance between the various levels of government. Progress may be slow—measured in inches and feet, not miles—but we will progress. Is it time to reawaken this industrial giant, to get government back within its means, and to lighten our punitive tax burden. And these will be our first priorities, and on these principles, there will be no compromise.

On the eve of our struggle for independence a man who might have been one of the greatest among the Founding Fathers, Dr. Joseph Warren, President of the Massachusetts Congress, said to his fellow Americans, "Our country is in danger, but not to be despaired of.... On you depend the fortunes of America. You are to decide the important questions upon which rests the happiness and the liberty of millions yet unborn. Act worthy of yourselves."

Well, I believe we, the Americans of today, are ready to act worthy of ourselves, ready to do what must be done to ensure happiness and liberty for ourselves, our children and our children's children.

And as we renew ourselves here in our own land, we will be seen as having greater strength throughout the world. We will again be the exemplar of freedom and a beacon of hope for those who do not now have freedom.

To those neighbors and allies who share our freedom, we will strengthen our historic ties and assure them of our support and firm commitment. We will match loyalty with loyalty. We will strive for mutually beneficial relations. We will not use our friendship to impose on their sovereignty, for our own sovereignty is not for sale.

As for the enemies of freedom, those who are potential adversaries, they will be reminded that peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it; we will not surrender for it—now or ever.

Our forbearance should never be misunderstood. Our reluctance for conflict should not be misjudged as a failure of will. When action is required to preserve our national security, we will act. We will maintain sufficient strength to prevail if need be, knowing that if we do so we have the best chance of never having to use that strength.

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors.

I am told that tens of thousands of prayer meetings are being held on this day, and for that I am deeply grateful. We are a nation under God, and I believe God intended for us to be free. It would be fitting and good, I think, if on each Inauguration Day in future years it should be declared a day of prayer.

This is the first time in history that this ceremony has been held, as you have been told, on this West Front of the Capitol. Standing here, one faces a magnificent vista, opening up on this city's special beauty and history. At the end of this open mall are those shrines to the giants on whose shoulders we stand.

Directly in front of me, the monument to a monumental man: George Washington, Father of our country. A man of humility who came to greatness reluctantly. He led America out of revolutionary victory into infant nationhood. Off to one side, the stately memorial to Thomas Jefferson. The Declaration of Independence flames with his eloquence.

And then beyond the Reflecting Pool the dignified columns of the Lincoln Memorial. Whoever would understand in his heart the meaning of America will find it in the life of Abraham Lincoln.

Beyond those monuments to heroism is the Potomac River, and on the far shore the sloping hills of Arlington National Cemetery with its row on row of simple white markers bearing crosses or Stars of David. They add up to only a tiny fraction of the price that has been paid for our freedom.

Each one of those markers is a monument to the kinds of hero I spoke of earlier. Their lives ended in places called Belleau Wood, The Argonne, Omaha Beach, Salerno and halfway around the world on Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Pork Chop Hill, the Chosin Reservoir, and in a hundred rice paddies and jungles of a place called Vietnam.

Under one such marker lies a young man—Martin Treptow—who left his job in a small town barber shop in 1917 to go to France with the famed Rainbow Division. There, on the western front, he was killed trying to carry a message between battalions under heavy artillery fire.

We are told that on his body was found a diary. On the flyleaf under the heading, "My Pledge," he had written these words: "America must win this war. Therefore, I will work, I will save, I will sacrifice, I will endure, I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the issue of the whole struggle depended on me alone."

The crisis we are facing today does not require of us the kind of sacrifice that Martin Treptow and so many thousands of others were called upon to make. It does require, however, our best effort, and our willingness to believe in ourselves and to believe in our capacity to perform great deeds; to believe that together, with God's help, we can and will resolve the problems which now confront us.

And, after all, why shouldn't we believe that? We are Americans. God bless you, and thank you.


We were in a bad economy when President Obama took over. But compare some of the same numbers I mentioned above to President Reagan's challenges.

The inflation rate that President Obama inherited in January 2009 was 0.03% (remember President Reagan inherited 13.58%).

The prime interest rate as of December 2008 was 3.25% and is unchanged today. (President Reagan - 20.5%)

The civilian labor force participation rate was 65.4% in January 2009 or about 81.3 million working age Americans not in the labor force. In May 2014 the civilian labor force participation rate was 62.9% or about 91.8 million Americans not in the labor force (do not get fooled by the "Unemployment Rate" as it presents only half the picture...10.5 million MORE Americans are NOT working compared to January 2009). Fewer American's working and all it cost us is in excess of $7 trillion dollars of increased national debt.

We can crawl out of this mess, President Reagan said it and proved it, but boy do we need real leaders...."

Reagan did not blame others for his failures, few in my mind that they were, and he had success reaching across the aisle as evidence by the last major tax reform we passed in 1986 that he hammered out with Tip O'Neill, then Demoquatic Speaker of the House. President Obama has never accepted responsibilty, never reached across the aisle, never tried anything but the blame game.

I didn't let my kids get away with that, and I have not tolerated it in my President.
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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:57 pm

swampass wrote: Now write a blurb about all the wonderful accolades our current leader has or had before gaining office. While I was too young to remember all that went on but wasnt Reagan constantly ridiculed for being nothing more than a 2 bit actor? Sure he had some governing experience but wasnt that just scoffed at by all? like Schwarzenegger? Crazy Californians?

some here have said that Reagan was a terrible and corrupt politician but do you think someone else would have looked the russians in the eye and refuse to blink? To get them to tear down that wall? Donald Trump is not a bad man. He says things that people don't like. They say he is too out of control when he speaks and then he uses a teleprompter and everyone criticizes that too. Id rather listen to him talk then listen to all the "umms" that Obama says when he goes off teleprompter... he speaks like an utter moron. PS crooked hillary and the current moron in chief couldnt stop telling everyone how much they were like Reagan in 2008 so I guess some out there still see that Actor as one of our Greatest President ever.


I think Reagan was the best Pres. we've had since I've been of voting age because of his budget-cutting, pro-growth policies and his general respectability as a human, but don't get caught up in the silly stare down the Russians/tear down the wall drama. Much has been written about the crumbling infrastructure of the USSR and policy changes that needed to be implemented for them to survive, it had little to do with Reagan's speeches ...just fortuitous timing, much like the economy during Bill Clinton's time in office. (addendum: "Tear down that wall" was a great rah-rah moment though, kinda like a Bautista bat flip. :D)

Likewise, Trump is a "bad man" if you've followed his business dealings over the years. He's arrogant, dishonest, manipulative and has a history of being unfair/unethical. Probably not a racist as he is far more motivated by success and money than race; he may be a success-ist ... discriminating against and disparaging those who are unsuccessful/unlucky. Sadly, he's probably still a better choice than another Obama-like career politician/lawyer that has misguided beliefs and thinks more government programs and expenditures can fix things.
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Post by KJ Duke » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:01 pm

Edwards Kings wrote: A little context on what President Reagan's inherited that even his ditractors cannot argue away.

In December 1980, the annual inflation rate was 13.58%. High by today's standards, but that had dropped to 4.08% by December 1988.

On January 9, 1981, the prime interest rate was 20.5%. By November 28, 1988 it was down to 10.5%.


Credit goes to Fed Chair Paul Volcker here - he crushed inflation with restrictive monetary policy, that wasn't Reagan.

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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:09 pm

don't rain on wayne's parde kj! facts mean little to Georgian's! or is it republicans? or conservatives? or matt harvey fans? or california shit disturbers?

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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:17 pm

NorCalAtlFan wrote:don't rain on wayne's parde kj! facts mean little to Georgian's! or is it republicans? or conservatives? or matt harvey fans? or california shit disturbers?

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All of the above? :D :lol:
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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:27 pm

KJ Duke wrote:
Edwards Kings wrote: A little context on what President Reagan's inherited that even his ditractors cannot argue away.

In December 1980, the annual inflation rate was 13.58%. High by today's standards, but that had dropped to 4.08% by December 1988.

On January 9, 1981, the prime interest rate was 20.5%. By November 28, 1988 it was down to 10.5%.


Credit goes to Fed Chair Paul Volcker here - he crushed inflation with restrictive monetary policy, that wasn't Reagan.
Who first got into the job in August of 1979 and was reappointed by Reagan in 1983? So, Reagan was the Chief Executive who recognized Volckers (a Democrat...reaching across the aisle) ability and kept him on the job (until at the end of his second term and was replaced by Alan Greenspan)? Isn't that what the Chief Executive is supposed to do?

Thanks for proving my point... :lol:

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