The Fine Arts and Baseball

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The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:58 am

Let's play a game and test your baseball to screen knowledge.
Only one of the following facts or stories is untrue.
It is up to you to decide which one.
Along the way, you may find out a couple of things you didn't know :)
Here we go...

1. There were 500 'extra's in the Fenway Park scene in
'Field of Dreams'.
Among them were Matt Damon and Ben Affleck.

2. A gifted baseball player, Kevin Costner had to sell himself as a novice when playing on screen in 'Field of Dreams'.
He attended college baseball powerhouse Cal State Fullerton, where he tried to walk on but failed to make the team as a student.

3. W.P. Kinsella, the writer of 'Shoeless Joe', upon which 'Field of Dreams' was based, got the idea of corn in the outfield from watching local games in Iowa. A local legend named Dory Fielding made a game ending catch in center field and disappeared into the corn.

4. 'Sudden' Sam McDowell was one of the hardest throwing pitchers of the 60's. Most thought his ticket to baseball immortality was punched.
Alcoholism got the better of McDowell and he never became the All Time great that many predicted.
His story became the basis for the character, 'Sam Malone' of the long running tv show, 'Cheers'.

5. Steve Dalkowski threw hard. In the 1950's, it was estimated that he threw a ball 110 miles per hour.
In 1958, he threw a ball THROUGH a backstop.
Many big league players and coaches agreed that nobody threw harder.
The problem being that Dalkowski had no idea where the ball was going after it was released.
He also fought the bottle and had rage issues that made him 'unsignable'.
A teammate of his was Ron Shelton.
Shelton would give up baseball and pursue another dream.
Screenwriting.
Shelton replaced the alcohol and rage problems, Dalkowski dealt with, and replaced them with being dimwitted.
And the character 'Nuke LaRoosh' was born for 'Bull Durham'.

6. Bama Rockwell played for the Boston Braves in 1946.
While playing against the Dodgers at Ebbets Field, Rockwell drove a ball that hit a landmark above the scoreboard.
A large Bulova Watch with the local time on the face.
The blow from the ball crushed the face of the clock, shattered and tumbling down the scoreboard and raineing on the field were shards of glass from the iconic timepiece.
Bernard Malamud, a Dodger fan, wrote that story in his book, 'The Natural', replacing Rockwell with Roy Hobbs and replacing the clock with a light tower.

7. Robert Redford was the star pitcher of his high school team.
Don Drysdale played second base on the same team.

8. Charlie Sheen was 40-15 as a high school pitcher.

9. Kevin Costner threw two no-hitters and once struck out 16 in a game.

10. Billy Bob Thornton was a roadie for the 'Nitty Gritty Dirt Band'
A stocker in a grocery store.
A house painter.
A drummer for a band.
A drill presser.
A hay baler.
And had a tryout for the Kansas City Royals as a pitcher.

Remember, only one of the 10 previous items is false.
It's up to you to decide which one.
You can go to a computer and get the answer, but what fun would that be? :D

I'll have the answer later in the day......

Edited for typo...
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:43 pm

I have not used the internet, but I am going to go with the Charlie Sheen factoid as not being true.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:07 pm

Slow traffic today, so I'll wait longer on the answer.

But, I will say that Charlie Sheen, indeed, was 40-15 as a high school pitcher.
He did not have to 'act' like a pitcher.
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by ToddZ » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:19 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:Slow traffic today, so I'll wait longer on the answer.

But, I will say that Charlie Sheen, indeed, was 40-15 as a high school pitcher.
He did not have to 'act' like a pitcher.
Cross him off the list.
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by Texas Connection » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:15 pm

Dan,

Love the posts. All seem like good stories. I was going to guess the wrong answer of Charlie just because it seemed like he was acting from an early age. I will now go with the Redford-Drysdale one. Also, one of my biggest regrets was not answering the call for extras for a movie shot in Dyersville, Iowa in the late 80's. I was at Wartburg College which was probably 15 minutes away and Kevin Costner had not made Dances with Wolves and whoever heard of any kind of mainstream movie being made in Iowa. Pretty sure I would have been a guy driving a car with his lights on at the end of the movie. Field of Dreams is one of my top 10 movies of alltime. Who knew?

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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by KJ Duke » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:42 pm

Without looking anything up ... 110 MPH sounds unlikely. Especially in the 1950s.

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Post by skmetz51 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:57 pm

Hey Dan,
Local legend making catch into the corn field is my vote for the bogus story.

Life-isn't-fair department: Redford gets the looks, money, fame AND is on the same team with Drysdale. How can that happen?

Love your posts, Dan. They always make my day. Keep them coming.

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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:59 pm

Texas Connection wrote:Dan,

Love the posts. All seem like good stories. I was going to guess the wrong answer of Charlie just because it seemed like he was acting from an early age. I will now go with the Redford-Drysdale one. Also, one of my biggest regrets was not answering the call for extras for a movie shot in Dyersville, Iowa in the late 80's. I was at Wartburg College which was probably 15 minutes away and Kevin Costner had not made Dances with Wolves and whoever heard of any kind of mainstream movie being made in Iowa. Pretty sure I would have been a guy driving a car with his lights on at the end of the movie. Field of Dreams is one of my top 10 movies of alltime. Who knew?

Jon
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Oh man! That would have haunted me for a long time, Jon.
Great story, Jon.

Sorry, Redford and Drysdale really did play together in high school.

Just as an aside, it's no wonder that Redford, Sheen, and Costner looked the part in their movies with their backgrounds.
The actor who really struggled was Gary Cooper. Cooper played Lou Gehrig in 'Pride of the Yankees' and never played the game of baseball and really wasn't even athletic.
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:02 pm

KJ Duke wrote:Without looking anything up ... 110 MPH sounds unlikely. Especially in the 1950s.
Sorry Kevin, he really did exist.
Cal Ripken's father aid he was the hardest thrower he had ever seen.
Guessing 110 mph back then was probably a cross between folly and embellishment.
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:04 pm

skmetz51 wrote:Hey Dan,
Local legend making catch into the corn field is my vote for the bogus story.

Life-isn't-fair department: Redford gets the looks, money, fame AND is on the same team with Drysdale. How can that happen?

Love your posts, Dan. They always make my day. Keep them coming.

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He loved baseball and wrote many, many short stories about the game.
The corn fields in Iowa were all from his own imagination.
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by Sebadiah23 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:11 am

DOUGHBOYS wrote: 6. Bama Rockwell played for the Boston Braves in 1946.
While playing against the Dodgers at Ebbets Field, Rockwell drove a ball that hit a landmark above the scoreboard.
A large Bulova Watch with the local time on the face.
The blow from the ball crushed the face of the clock, shattered and tumbling down the scoreboard and raineing on the field were shards of glass from the iconic timepiece.
Bernard Malamud, a Dodger fan, wrote that story in his book, 'The Natural', replacing Rockwell with Roy Hobbs and replacing the clock with a light tower.
The list was fun to read- this one confused me though- Bama Rockwell looked like references to messageboard poster names and the homerun in "The Natural" is hit in the movie, but not in Bernard Malamud's book, so how could he have copied it? The player's name also was Bama Rowell.


Summary of Bernard Malamud's ending

"Max Mercy reappears, searching for details of Hobbs' past. Hobbs remains quiet even after Mercy offers five thousand dollars, telling him that, "all the public is entitled to is my best game of baseball." At the same time, Hobbs has been attempting unsuccessfully to negotiate a higher salary with the judge, arguing that his success should be rewarded. Mercy introduces Hobbs to bookie Gus Sands, who is keeping company with Memo Paris, Pop's niece. Hobbs has been infatuated with Memo since he came to the Knights. Hobbs' magic tricks appear to impress her.

Max Mercy writes a column about the judge's refusal to grant Hobbs a raise, and a fan uprising ensues. Hobbs, however, is more occupied with Memo and attempts to further their relationship. Pop warns Hobbs about Memo's tendency to impart bad luck on the people she associates with. Hobbs dismisses the warning, but soon after, he falls into a hitting slump. Numerous attempts to reverse it fail until he finally hits a home run during a game where a mysterious woman rises from her seat. Before Hobbs can see who she is, she has left. Roy eventually meets her, Iris Lemon, and proceeds to court her. Upon learning she is a grandmother, however, he loses interest and returns his attention to Memo Paris.

Memo rebuffs Roy's advances; Hobbs continues to play brilliantly and leads the Knights to a 17-game winning streak. With the Knights one game away from winning the National League pennant, Roy attends a party hosted by Memo where he collapses and awakens in the hospital. The doctor says he can play in the final game of the season, but must retire after that if he wants to live. Hobbs wants to start a family with Memo and realizes he will need money.

The judge offers Hobbs a bribe to lose the Knight's final game. Hobbs makes a counter-offer of $35,000, which is accepted. That night, unable to sleep, he reads a letter from Iris. After seeing the word 'grandmother' in the letter, he discards it. He plays the next day and while at-bat, fouls a pitch into the stands that strikes Iris, injuring her, and splits the Wonderboy bat in two lengthwise. Iris tells Roy that she is pregnant with his child, and now he is determined to do his best for their future. At the end of the game, with a chance to win it, Hobbs, now trying to win, comes to bat against Herman Youngberry, a brilliant young pitcher very similar to Hobbs' at the same age. Youngberry strikes out Hobbs, ending the game and the season for the Knights. As he sits bemoaning the end of the season and possibly his career, Mercy rediscovers the shooting and also finds out that Hobbs was paid to throw the game. If this report from Mercy is true, Roy Hobbs will be expelled from the game and all of his records removed."
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Re: The Fine Arts and Baseball

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:43 am

I must have had Chest Rockwell on my brain when writing his name!
It is Rowell.
My reference indicates that Malamud used the incident for his book. Here is the exact wording from the reference.

'A few years after Rowell's clout, author (and Dodger fan) Bernard Malamud wrote the story into his book The Natural, which features Roy Hobbs hitting a home run off the light tower, causing glass to rain down on the field.'

Sorry for the confusion on the name, that was all me.

My son-in-law is one of those fellas that can rattle off movie lines from 100's of different movies.
Next time I see him, I believe I can stump him with a couple of lines from baseball movies.
Both, saying the same thing....only opposite :D

From 'Bull Durham'-
"Don't think, just throw"
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From 'For the Love of the Game'-
"Think Billy, don't just throw"

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