Feedback for KP

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:46 am

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

Umm, Gordon, the rule is....... ready...

1 minute between picks.

A person picks, the next is on the clock. A well prepared person such as yourself should have had no problem with this. I think I took a total of 3 minutes of time with all 29 of my picks. I was actually ready a prepared for every pick. That happens when you know when you when you will be up next (because it's always in the same order). I hope you're not starting your excuses if you team doesn't do well.

Leave it as is, too bad 3 picks are done in a row, sac up and be prepared. This is for the big boys. (BTW- part of my stategy is to draft fast to messed up the drafters around me) First off, I'm not making excuses. I thought this thread was for feedback to KP?

Expanding on your idea, let's cut down the time per pick to 20 seconds. This is the big time!! Sac up and be prepared. :rolleyes:

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:49 am

Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

I never took more than 5 seconds to make any pick and drafted alone. Better yet, let's go to 5 seconds/pick. Sac up and be prepared. :rolleyes:

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:06 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

I never took more than 5 seconds to make any pick and drafted alone. Better yet, let's go to 5 seconds/pick. Sac up and be prepared. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]You'd eliminate all laptops and multiple pieces of paper! You'd have one cheat sheet and you better have it in GREAT order, lol.

I'd do a 5 second draft, though - that would rock.

Dyv

TBill · Post by **TBill** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:09 pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

[QB] I would like to see the time limit left as is. It is a tremendous advantage to those of us who are compulsive organizers. I never took more than 5 seconds to make any pick [QUOTE]

I can see where this would be true. But do we want this contest to reflect the best organizer or the most knowledgeable drafter? These are not mutually exclusive and a skillful manager does not have to resort to tricks, gimicks, or angles to win. Also if you were in the center aisle, there were picks being shouted from three tables around you to your possible disadvantage. I accidently marked off a couple of players that had been picked at other tables. Although this was clearly my responsibility, I think the people sitting against the wall had less distraction. I would conclude that the ideal would be to promote conditions where each participant could play to the best extent of his ability. The most skillful owner would still have the best chance to win.

[ March 26, 2004, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: TBill ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:12 pm

Originally posted by TBill:

But do we want this contest to reflect the best organizer or the most knowledgeable drafter? a skillful manager does not have to resort to tricks, gimicks, or angles to win. Finally, someone with some smarts! Well said TBill!

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:20 pm

Originally posted by TBill:

But do we want this contest to reflect the best organizer or the most knowledgeable drafter? These are not mutually exclusive and a skillful manager does not have to resort to tricks, gimicks, or angles to win. Also if you were in the center aisle there were picks being shouted from three tables around you to your possible disadvantage. I accidently marked off a couple of players that had been picked at other tables. Although this was clearly my responsibility, I think the people sitting against the wall had less distraction. I would conclude that the ideal would be to promote conditions where each participant could play to the best extent of his ability. The most skillful owner would still have the best chance to win.

Well, then we should just schedule a couple days and allow computer research in between picks. Clearly one could do a better job with a computer, high speed access and 30-60 minutes between picks.

I don't see any point in limiting someone's abilities or anything.

Oh, and private rooms for each draft - hate to see noise affecting anyone from building the perfect team and all.

I'd also like to request a recliner - I would clearly have less draft ability if I were the least bit uncomfortable

Oh, and ice cream, too - that always gets me focused. Maybe some fresh-shelled pistachios?

Dyv

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:14 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by TBill:

But do we want this contest to reflect the best organizer or the most knowledgeable drafter? a skillful manager does not have to resort to tricks, gimicks, or angles to win. Finally, someone with some smarts! Well said TBill! [/QUOTE]Gee Lizard, maybe you let your staff do too much of the preperation. Interesting article by Ron Shandler on the baseball HQ site about the NY draft. He was amazed at how unprepared many of the drafters were. I'm sure that next year everyone will have a better idea how to prepare and it won't be such a problem.

http://www.baseballhq.com/subscribe/rs/rs040326.shtml

TBill · Post by **TBill** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:16 pm

Dyv, I assume that your point was that I should have added a "in a reasonable amount of time" disclaimer. Funny, I thought that's what we were discussing. But to narrow down the possibilities, are you saying that this should be a slimepit zoo where you can pay people to spill coffee on your main rivals? Play a trumpet in their ears? Have no standards at all? Or are you making no constructive comment? Rather than trying to discredit my idea, do you have one of your own?

[ March 26, 2004, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: TBill ]

TBill · Post by **TBill** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:30 pm

BTW, I think Wayne Edwards made an excellent proposal.

seefer · Post by **seefer** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:44 pm

Greg, I too have a problem with the illegal roster and how he was allowed to pick up Grudzy and cut Hitchcock at no cost. Everyone had to play by the same rules on draft day and if that team left without an eligible 2B, they should definitely have to wait until the 1st free agent bidding period allows them to acquire a 2B for a price against their free agent dollars. Heck, what if a different team was planning on going after Grudzy during the 1st free agent period? And if the team without an eligible 2B is unable to acquire a 2B during the 1st free agent period, that team should take 00000 at the 2B slot for the week.

viper · Post by **viper** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:01 pm

I just read about the illegal lineup. God knows, there was a lot of time spent on this posibility before hand and I agree that everyone who drafted after team 9 was unfairly treated if they wanted Hitchcock. Now the entire league is unfairly treated if they want Grudz.

I have a belated suggestion. Allow this team to pick up a 2B but give him some player who is a deep deep minor leaguer. This way, he will have a legal lineup but will be required to use FA dollars to get a real 2B. This way Grudz isn't a "free" selection but is available to all. This team with a non-productive 2B will just have to bid on a 2B.

Top Dawg · Post by **Top Dawg** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:09 pm

First: The event was great and all thing considered, it went off very smoothly in my opinion for a first year gig.

Second: The one minute time limit was fine for those of us prepared. We had about 10 owners ready within seconds to make a pick and a few who waited till the 3 second warning every time.

Third: Only one problem with starting the clock immediately after the pick was announced. Our moderator also spoke softly, so the tables far from the board often didn't hear the pick. Also, near the end we rattled off our reserve picks so fast the poor slob posting them nearly fainted from running so fast. In fact, he missed a post and had to stop the whole draft to correct the board. We probably should have started the clock as he was "ready" to post the sticker.

Finally: Great overall experience. I loved it. I can't wait for Football!

Pete

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:17 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The main draft facilitator will announce the pick and it's then his job to tell the draft board facilitator who was selected and give him time to post it on the board. Once that is done, the one minute will start. Many people will actually be ready to make their picks right away and our "sticker man" may hold things up a bit. But we'll be organized and ready to make the one minute time limit work. I think some of the LB Sports folks need to check themselves. Some seem to talk without knowing the facts. The one minute (as stated above) was not enforced at my draft table.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:21 pm

Originally posted by viper:

I have a belated suggestion. Allow this team to pick up a 2B but give him some player who is a deep deep minor leaguer. This way, he will have a legal lineup but will be required to use FA dollars to get a real 2B. This way Grudz isn't a "free" selection but is available to all. This team with a non-productive 2B will just have to bid on a 2B. Excellent suggestion. I see we have a few people who can think on their feet. Why penalize the rest of the league?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:29 pm

Same here, Gordon. I was watching our facilitator, and he was starting the stopwatch for the next pick as soon as the previous pick was made. Clearly, not the guidelines as posted by Greg.

Gordon, feel free to chime in on what you feel should happen with the illegal lineup. Didn't Greg say that teams would have to employ their FAAB to get a replacement in the event of a draft day screw up?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:38 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Same here, Gordon. I was watching our facilitator, and he was starting the stopwatch for the next pick as soon as the previous pick was made. Hmmmm....I wonder if we were in the same league?

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Gordon, feel free to chime in on what you feel should happen with the illegal lineup. I wouldn't let them pick up Gruzzy or anyone else worth anything. Too many days have passed since the draft. If they found the mistake the day after the draft, that's a different story.

[ March 26, 2004, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:47 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

As you know, I personally went to each draft board in Las Vegas as each draft was winding down and tried my best to check every team for two catchers. I was a pain in the butt to League 6 as I kept prodding owners to take a catcher with their last pick. I briefly checked League 1 before everyone left and didn't see anything wrong as I definitely was looking for two catchers more than two middle infielders. Sounds like a lot of time being spent on this one...

Thinking ahead to next year...why go through the pain and aggravation of forcing owners to draft a certain number of players at each position???? We are all big boys (and gals) here.

I say let em draft whoever they want. When they have to submit a line-up, if they can't field a valid roster they get squat. Case closed. A lot of valuable time is being WASTED on this issue.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:17 pm

Please see the following thread:

http://nfbcboards.stats.com/cgi-bin/ult ... 2;t=000038

The last post on that page makes it pretty clear what should happen to the illegal team.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:21 pm

Also see Page 2 of that thread.

"During that first FAAB period, he would be asked to bid on as many catchers as it takes to get one and make his roster legal. At the same time, he would have to cut his final draft pick, thus allowing that player to go into that league player pool for the following week. If he's unable to obtain a catcher, in this instance, for Week 1 his roster would be deemed illegal. Sounds simple enough and worthy of a $1 bid on every available free agent catcher to make sure you're getting stats for that week, don't you think?"

BONGIZMO · Post by **BONGIZMO** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:37 pm

I have to comment on the illegal roster Greg, agreed that he needs to drop the final player picked per the rules HOWEVER the individual shoul be forced to bid with their free agent dollars for the said second baseman NOT simply pick one up. This person screwed up, no ifs ands or buts. It wasn't the facilitators fault nor responsibility to catch it, it was the owners. The problem with the free pick up you are allowing is that you have now hurt those that need a second baseman due to injury such as an Ellis owner. That person will be out there bidding and you have allowed the careless owner to take a second baseman that this person could have bid on. I think the person who is affected by injury deserves better and should have a fair chance for any second baseman far more than the owner who didn't properly adhere to the rules during the draft...just my .02

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:10 pm

Easy fix for making sure the rosters are filled right is to do them like the auction. Don't list the players by round but by position. I was suprised when I saw the boards by round. I figured this could be a problem with no one tracking it.

PittIsIt95 · Post by **PittIsIt95** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:21 pm

You guys whine more than a bunch of old woman. If Grudzielanek was any good, he would have been picked in the original draft(nothing has changed regarding his value between now and the draft.). Please shut up already and quit trying to out think yourselves.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:29 pm

Offering ideas for next year is not whining. Complaining because low lifes from pittsburgh were invited is whining.

a · Post by a » Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:05 pm

I completely agree. This is supposed to be for the Big Boys, everyone should be treated like one. If anyone needs thier hand held, then they don't belong. (dead money)

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

As you know, I personally went to each draft board in Las Vegas as each draft was winding down and tried my best to check every team for two catchers. I was a pain in the butt to League 6 as I kept prodding owners to take a catcher with their last pick. I briefly checked League 1 before everyone left and didn't see anything wrong as I definitely was looking for two catchers more than two middle infielders. Sounds like a lot of time being spent on this one...

Thinking ahead to next year...why go through the pain and aggravation of forcing owners to draft a certain number of players at each position???? We are all big boys (and gals) here.

I say let em draft whoever they want. When they have to submit a line-up, if they can't field a valid roster they get squat. Case closed. A lot of valuable time is being WASTED on this issue. [/QUOTE]

a · Post by a » Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:12 pm

I would prefer a shorter time between picks. Yea, sac up and let's see who is better prepared.

Originally posted by Dyv:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

I never took more than 5 seconds to make any pick and drafted alone. Better yet, let's go to 5 seconds/pick. Sac up and be prepared. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]You'd eliminate all laptops and multiple pieces of paper! You'd have one cheat sheet and you better have it in GREAT order, lol.

I'd do a 5 second draft, though - that would rock.

Dyv [/quote]

[ March 27, 2004, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: Vega$ Gambler$ ]