360 vs 375 vs 390 time for a NO BS update!

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:42 am

Greg and Tom, Enough. Whats the plan?

[ March 01, 2007, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Walla Walla ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:46 am

The plan is to reach our goal of 360 teams. Those 360 will have guaranteed spots in the event. We'll see where we are at that point. We would like to have complete leagues in all four cities. That's the goal. But once we reach 360 we'll see where things are in terms of interest and go from there.

So the first step is to get to 360.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:47 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg and Tom, Enough. Whats the plan? Enough! LOL

You just gotta love this guy.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:50 am

I'm not sure what "BS" Greg and I have been spreading. We've been upfront with everyone about the plans for this year's event. As always.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:00 am

Why not keep the gates open. We'll get our draft spots soon enough. Let it run to 390 - it makes good business sense to do so. It IS a business right ? That's 30 more people that will most likely experience a great contest which may turn into 50 teams in '08 when they spread the word. And so on... Soon we'll be looking at 500+ entrants and a 200k prize..

Q

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:16 am

Not to mention the additional overall prize money if we go beyond 360 teams. Who in their right mind would have a problem with that?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:20 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

I'm not sure what "BS" Greg and I have been spreading. We've been upfront with everyone about the plans for this year's event. As always. Tom, I'll give you similar advice to the words you once gave me regarding a certain someone on the NFFC boards:

Take a deep breath, and repeat the phrase "It's only Walla Walla" to yourself 10 times.

I'll guarantee you'll feel right as rain in no time -- no BS

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:21 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Why not keep the gates open. We'll get our draft spots soon enough. Let it run to 390 - it makes good business sense to do so. It IS a business right ? That's 30 more people that will most likely experience a great contest which may turn into 50 teams in '08 when they spread the word. And so on... Soon we'll be looking at 500+ entrants and a 200k prize..

Q Walla Whiner has spoken. This is not an option.

Top Dawg · Post by **Top Dawg** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:21 am

KOQ - I can't remember what happens if we exceed 360 people. The rules seem to state they can go as high as 30 leagues (450 people). That said, I do recall some discussion of prize money changing at certain levels. Do you have that handy?

TIA - Pete

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:32 am

Originally posted by Top Dawg:

KOQ - I can't remember what happens if we exceed 360 people. The rules seem to state they can go as high as 30 leagues (450 people). That said, I do recall some discussion of prize money changing at certain levels. Do you have that handy?

TIA - Pete It was discussed somewhere along the way, but nothing appears in the NFBC rules that specifically states this. On the NFFC rules page, I found the following:

20. Prize Winnings ...The NFFC's 2005 prize structure is based on 350 teams, but the NFFC reserves the right to expand to 448 teams with the guarantee that 75 percent of all additional entry fee money will be returned in the overall prize structure.

I would assume that a similar course of action would occur should the NFBC hit 375, 390, 405, 420, 435 or 450.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:50 am

Greg/Tom, if the "overflow" scenario is the same for the NFBC as it is for the NFFC, may I recommend the following:

$1300 x 15 = $19,500

75% = $14,625

less 1st/2nd/3rd league prizes = ($8,500)

Additional monies towards overall prizes = $6,125

375

Make 2nd place $25,000 (currently $20,000)

Add a free entry for 11th place

390

Same as above, plus

Make 3rd place $15,000 (currently $10,000)

Add a free entry for 12th place

Thoughts?

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:07 am

Hey Walla Walla Didnt you say last year you werent coming back this year cause you had the same attitude last year towards Tom & Greg. Wish i could find the post you wrote but i know you did cause you were in my LV2 league. I was RSN2 we came in 3rd. Where did you finish again? Oh yeah 11th!

ENOUGH!!!!!!

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:08 am

Hey Walla Walla Didnt you say last year you werent coming back this year cause you had the same attitude last year towards Tom & Greg. Wish i could find the post you wrote but i know you did cause you were in my LV2 league. I was RSN2 we came in 3rd. Where did you finish again? Oh yeah 11th!

ENOUGH!!!!!!

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:19 am

Tom,

I certainly would not word it like Walla Walla did- but I think it would be a good idea when we hit 360 to communicate on these boards this is plan A and this is plan b now that we have gotten to the goal.

Probably were going to do that already-

As far as Quahogs I disagree could be bad business to have people commited and not be able to deliver on a full league. Luckily that is not my worry. If you ever speak to Greg in person he has an extremely good feel about who is sitting on the fence and what will and will not come in. I am sure that will play a huge role in whatever decision is made.

I also think the post about we are really only down to 2 cities delivering contestants is probably right on.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:22 am

We'll definitely communicate the plans. We always let you guys know everything that's going on. That isn't going to change now.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:43 am

Seems a pretty easy read to me. The Main Event will hit the 360 goal with an outside shot at a higher number. Greg is away this weekend and we have been put on notice to have the KDS set by 3/6. After that deadline, my guess is Greg and Tom will examine the realistic Main Event expectations and fairly distribute any excess financially. For this to event to grow and expand it is nothing but a positive for all of us that enjoy the game. Back to the KDS deadline of 3/6, that tells me we will have our draft positions sometime on 3/7 - 3/9 which is still earlier than expected. So hang in boys, one more week and we'll be good to go whether they sell one more entry or thirty.

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Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:52 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

As far as Quahogs I disagree could be bad business to have people commited and not be able to deliver on a full league. it would be disappointing for the entrant sure but who would be to blame ? To quote LGJ..

"Where ya been all yer lives? Listenin' to PUNK rock music and BAD-mouthin' your country? "

leagues been around 3+yrs and regis. been open since Oct. What took em so long to get off the pot ??

Q

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:12 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

As far as Quahogs I disagree could be bad business to have people commited and not be able to deliver on a full league. it would be disappointing for the entrant sure but who would be to blame ? To quote LGJ..

"Where ya been all yer lives? Listenin' to PUNK rock music and BAD-mouthin' your country? "

leagues been around 3+yrs and regis. been open since Oct. What took em so long to get off the pot ??

Q [/QUOTE]You speak logically do all customers think logically?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:19 am

LOL , if this MB is a small sample... ya got me chest !

Q

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:26 am

We always let you guys know everything that's going on. That isn't going to change now. Then for the love of all that is Holy, what happened last year, the night before the first draft?

Apparently, a very high ranking member or possibly founder of NFBC was turned away from a chicken ranch when his credit card was denied???

Hey, if there's a Mrs. Greg Ambrosius out there reading this...only joking.

Bruce in FL · Post by **Bruce in FL** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:28 am

Not only do Tom and Greg tell us everything, but it seems they also listen to the input, and the things that are legitimately right and do-able, get done. I just started with a football league here last season (and baseball last season, fb this season, and my 1st satellite fb, which I won a $250 league, 1st place, including playoffs, $2150 winner), but they always seem to take the input of the members, which not a lot of "businesses" in any field does that. Plus, they have to keep 360 "kids" happy at the same time. Thanks. Notice how I had to throw in my satellite championship in there? I need to learn how to put that on every post, saved, like the Were Lost but Making Good Time or The Voice of Drunken Reason. Bruce

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:11 pm

Originally posted by Bruce in FL:

Not only do Tom and Greg tell us everything, but it seems they also listen to the input, and the things that are legitimately right and do-able, get done. I just started with a football league here last season (and baseball last season, fb this season, and my 1st satellite fb, which I won a $250 league, 1st place, including playoffs, $2150 winner), but they always seem to take the input of the members, which not a lot of "businesses" in any field does that. Plus, they have to keep 360 "kids" happy at the same time. Thanks. Notice how I had to throw in my satellite championship in there? I need to learn how to put that on every post, saved, like the Were Lost but Making Good Time or The Voice of Drunken Reason. Bruce Bruce,

Got to "my profile" (probably at the top of your page), then "View/Update Profile" also probably at the top. Put into the "Signature" box what you want to have automatically on each post.

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Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:12 pm

Oops!

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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:49 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg and Tom, Enough. Whats the plan? John, I was out today, driving eight hours in a blizzard, so I missed your question until now. But obviously I am always up front with everyone and thus I'll gladly give you the lowdown for the main event.

As we said originally, we want to hit 360 teams and then evaluate the numbers in each city and the date that we hit that. Since we're at 359 on March 1st, it's obvious we're going to sell out before our March 11th deadline. It's also obvious that all four cities now have partial leagues.

So that being said, we'll take the next signup to be at 360 and if I look at the names correctly I think we can hook up two cities to form one league and the two other cities to form another league. So I will gladly go with 360 teams if we just get one more interested person.

That being said, I talk to most folks who have an interest and I think there is more interest beyond the 360. So since I'm going to be at LABR in Arizona this weekend, we'll definitely keep the Register link open through Monday and see what the numbers look like at that time. I'd love to have one or two cities fill perfect 15-team leagues if possible and maybe only hook up one partial league in two cities. That would make me -- and I trust most NFBC members -- very happy.

If we get to 375, I've stated that we'll pay back 75% in prizes, with $8,500 going to the extra league and the remaining $6,000 plus going to the overall prize pool. We'd probably add one other overall prize and then add to third through eighth or so. I haven't figured that out yet, but that's what I'm leaning towards. I thought about increasing third place in all leagues, but I already stated I'd do it for the overall prizes.

So that's where we're at. I set the KDS deadline for Tuesday, March 6th because I figured we'd be beyond 360 at that time and if we're at 361 on that day we'll close it off. If we're closer to 375, then I'll make a smart decision. That's why they pay me the big bucks here. But we're not trying to be greedy here, just trying to close out some cities perfectly if we can. I don't think we'll hit 390, but this would be the perfect scenario:

150 Las Vegas

135 New York

60 Chicago

45 Tampa

Now someone make my day!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:49 pm

By the way John, you asked a very fair question -- albeit in a unique way. I trust you found no BS in my answer.