One (more) Vote for BBDS

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:59 pm

The NFBC has made significant progress. The KDS method of draft pick selection is by far better than the old GWYG (Get Whatever You Get) method. However, just because it is better doesn't mean that KDS is the best.

Having completed our drafts, I like about 350 of you, am happy with my team. Drafting 11th certainly wasn't my first choice, (or even any of my top ten choices), but it all seemed to work out. I've got to wonder, as I did during and after the draft, what it would have been like to draft 2nd, 5th or 6th. Of course, I can only wonder, as I was not afforded that opportunity, nor other than a random chance at that opportunity.

This week's CREATiVESPORTS Outside the [Batter's] Box column centers on the KDS and Gekko's (God, I hate siding with Gekko) BBDS. All things considered, the BBDS is a far superior method.

If interested, you can access the column at ****://creativesports.com/Staff/BaseballArticles/tabid/70/ctl/ArticleView/mid/390/articleId/1222/OutsidetheBattersBoxTimetoMoveOn.aspx

Best of luck during the season.

Buster

Tradesman Kettleers · Post by **Tradesman Kettleers** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:04 am

A cogent and informative article which is sure to elicit some debate. My vote would be to "LIVE" auction (using FAAB dollars) the draft slots immediately before the draft to create a Gladiatorial excitement to the proceedings as well as a certain animas toward your fellow competitors.

Didn't realize that Marc Meltzer was one of your compatriots at the time of the draft, he surprised me on the 7-8 turn with the Kendrick pick after already having Cano and Barfield. Fortunately, that was the only time I was surprised by the guys picking 14th and 15th.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:54 am

Buster - nice article, but like everyone else who has championed this method, you have not addressed how ties would be handled other than randomly which is what the method purports to avoid.

"... If there are ties, the commissioner will randomly determine which owner is awarded the slot. The process is continued until all draft slots are taken. If some slots aren't bid on, the commissioner will randomly place the remaining owners into those slots.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:58 am

there is a fix for the tied bids. i will post when i deem necessary

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:22 am

Before we complicate this any further. Let me add that Chi league 1 was drawn randomly despite kds. I don't know what happened, but that's the way it is. My fist kds was 15 and I drafted 8. Steve Tavoso's last kds was 15 yet there he was. Both of us not happy. I checked with some others and knowing my kds and what they had told me, it wasn't bad luck we ended up where we were, it was flat out impossible. Making it more complicated won't help. Especially if this gets bigger each year. Just something to consider. I'm not sure if anyone else's league was screwed up or just ours.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:15 am

same thing for chicago league one. often this hard to check- but this year many people kds toward the end. if you have a guy wanting 15 as #1 and he is somewhere else and the guy at 15 says "it was my last pick"- then you know something is wrong. in league 1, i believe it was spot 7. the guy who didn't get it had it 1st. the guy who did- last.mike

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:18 am

sorry- i was referring to league 4. mike

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:26 am

"Is it fair? Good question. I submit that it is not."

This is comedy. Of course it was fair, everyone has an EQUAL shot at getting #1, or any other number drawn before using their KDS list.

You would never write this article if you were 5,2,1,4 the last four years.

BBDS will never be used in any sport. There is a HUGE flaw in it. If you value FAAB more than draft slot, or you bid high and just lose out, you will always wind up drafting in the same slots (about 9-13) every year.

For $1300, I do not want to go in knowing I'm pegged for 9-13 every year just because I value FAAB more than draft slot preference. I want an equal shot at any pick.

The most "exciting" day as you wrote would then become meaningless for at least 30% of all owners. Not a great selling point IMO.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:31 am

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:34 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? if the glove don't submit, then you have to acquit.

Q

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:46 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? This is exactly what happened. I can say with 100% certainty that NO leagues were chosen randomly. What happened with Dave's situation is that he entered his preferences incorrectly on the STATS site. I know because I checked them and I saw exactly what he did.

Dave, if you would like to call me (715 445-4612 ext. 653) I will be happy to talk to you about this and show you the mistake that you made.

We are going to talk to STATS about seeing if we can simplify the process going forward but I know for a fact that no leagues were chosen randomly. If there were questions about your KDS settings and your resulting draft position I can tell you exactly what happened and why it happened.

Ted's Cracked Head · Post by **Ted's Cracked Head** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:46 am

Tiebreaker: Timestamp of submission for BBDS if not done live.

If two teams have the same bid for the first slot (or any slot) and team;

Team #1) Set their preferences on June 19th @ 630am cst

and

Team #2) Set their preferences on August 28th @ 914pm pst

Team #1 would get their first choice and team #2 would go next.

This way you reward a team for knowing who they want and when they want them. The earlier you sign up and place your BBDS selections, the more likely your chance of winning a tie.

If you change your BBDS selections, the most recent time stamp becomes your new date and time for ties.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:47 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? if the glove don't submit, then you have to acquit.

[/QUOTE]I believe the Chewbacca Defense would be more applicable here:

But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:49 am

i actually wasn't in league 4. i checked mine so i know i entered them- fine with my pick. i am not advocating the other way- i just want to follow up on kds. if a flaw- just make sure that we find out if a problem exists and then fix it. should be relatively easy. my confidence level is pretty high a flaw existed.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:52 am

toms reply was what i was looking for. tom you should check with league 4 also. same situation. maybe a couple of guys entered it wrong- although it for sure didn't seem too hard. mike

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:53 am

toms reply was what i was looking for. tom you should check with league 4 also. same situation. maybe a couple of guys entered it wrong- although it for sure didn't seem too hard. mike

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:56 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? Anything is possible, but I entered the same way for my sats and the main and have entered kdses before. I also checked my kdses several times before the event. I'm pretty sure I didn't make a mistake. I'm very sure in fact. It was done wrong. Ask anyone frrom CHI league 1. Most got their last or next to last choices. I would submit maybe they were entered backwards. That would explain it.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:00 am

Tom, I wonder if my KDS was incorrect too - could you post what you show for my preferences?

I was surprised to receive the #6 slot, which was my 13th preference since many people seemed to like that slot. I'd like to know what I did wrong, or what STATS did wrong, if that was the case. Turned out ok, but I'd like to know in the future that my preferences are getting recorded. Thanks.

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? This is exactly what happened. I can say with 100% certainty that NO leagues were chosen randomly. What happened with Dave's situation is that he entered his preferences incorrectly on the STATS site. I know because I checked them and I saw exactly what he did.

Dave, if you would like to call me (715 445-4612 ext. 653) I will be happy to talk to you about this and show you the mistake that you made.

We are going to talk to STATS about seeing if we can simplify the process going forward but I know for a fact that no leagues were chosen randomly. If there were questions about your KDS settings and your resulting draft position I can tell you exactly what happened and why it happened. [/QUOTE]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:03 am

It would be very helpful when you enter your KDS to then show a confirmation screen, or receive a comfirming email.

As is, when you click save preferences it doesn't show anything - so you wouldn't know if it even registered.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:09 am

Originally posted by Vander:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? Anything is possible, but I entered the same way for my sats and the main and have entered kdses before. I also checked my kdses several times before the event. I'm pretty sure I didn't make a mistake. I'm very sure in fact. It was done wrong. Ask anyone frrom CHI league 1. Most got their last or next to last choices. I would submit maybe they were entered backwards. That would explain it. [/QUOTE]David, they weren't entered backwards. They were entered based on how you set them up on the site. Again, feel free to call me if you have any questions. I can show you exactly what you did wrong.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:09 am

Originally posted by Vander:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? Anything is possible, but I entered the same way for my sats and the main and have entered kdses before. I also checked my kdses several times before the event. I'm pretty sure I didn't make a mistake. I'm very sure in fact. It was done wrong. Ask anyone frrom CHI league 1. Most got their last or next to last choices. I would submit maybe they were entered backwards. That would explain it. [/QUOTE]I just checked it and it is the way I thought it was. However, I'm the idiot. I was looking at it the wrong way. Therefore I entered my preferances wrong. I apologise to anybody I may have offended. I apparently can't read. Most of you probably already know I can't spell. I am to blame for the bad rankings. I guess I also have to apologise to my fellow CHi league 1 guys for screwing up the whole process for everybody.

Nutty Scrats · Post by **Nutty Scrats** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:10 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Vander and headhunters, is it possible that you guys entered your KDS preferences incorrectly into STATS? if the glove don't submit, then you have to acquit.

[/QUOTE]I believe the Chewbacca Defense would be more applicable here:

But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests. [/QUOTE]I personally think Chewie moved to Endor for the weather. I here Kashyyyk has some pretty tough winters! He also was having trouble dominating the front court on Kashyyyk. It's a little less challenging on Endor but I here some of the Ewok's can get up there! ROFL I hope this clears up the Chewie on Endor theory!

It Takes A Geek · Post by **It Takes A Geek** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:12 am

If the ultimate question is giving everyone a fair shot at the players they really want, then the answer is an auction for players not for draft slots. Personally I am content with the KDS system and the snake draft, but I'm just one person.

Mudster · Post by **Mudster** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:20 am

Could showing the KDS's that were entered for each player somewhere on the league page maybe clear up any controversy on this? I know the guy who had the #1 pick in LV2 had stated to me that it wasn't his top pick, but maybe 3 or 4. It's totally possible that it just fell that way, but I've seen a very large percent of people's top pick being #1. Either way, no one was complaining about their spot.

Ted's Cracked Head · Post by **Ted's Cracked Head** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:23 am

KJ,

Is right on when he states that a confirmation of some sort would help this process and protect for any future issues that might arise.

A confirmation email for KDS, FA bids and lineup changes could serve as a formal record for both parties.