Reynolds, Mark 3B ARI

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:27 pm

"If a prospect didn't play at least one game in the majors last year and he makes the 2007 Opening Day roster, he will qualify at the position he played the most at in the minors in 2006 (i.e., Alex Gordon earns a roster spot with the Royals in the outfield, he would qualify at third base because that's where he played the most in 2006 at Double-A Wichita)."

now wouldnt this rule pertain to all minor league players as they're added to major league rosters ? or just the one's that made opening day? Why would the rule change after opening day ? It seems to me that since he played the most at SS last year his positioning should be SS only.

Q

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:30 pm

Originally posted by AmericanDreams:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by AmericanDreams:

Some of you guys are so blinded by your hatred of Gekko that you're not realizing what's happening here to the rest of us.

Go search "Reynolds" on the league site and tell me what you see. Ok, click on his name and you tell what you see...

SS/MI/UTL | Arizona Diamondbacks | #27 [/QUOTE]But I knew he played 3B for 20+ games in 2006, 2005, and 2004, and I knew he didn't make the 2007 opening day roster.

So having 3B appear next to his name on the search result page only confirmed my line of thinking. [/QUOTE]He played the most games at SS last year. SS eligible. Enough said!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:31 pm

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

I go to CBS and look at past positions played, and I play by the rules.

sorry, but if you ACTUALLY did what you said and went out to cbssportsline, you would see that Cust played more games as a pinch hitter than as an OF. accordingly, he is U eligible only.

Checkmate

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:31 pm

Originally posted by Quahogs:

"If a prospect didn't play at least one game in the majors last year and he makes the 2007 Opening Day roster, he will qualify at the position he played the most at in the minors in 2006 (i.e., Alex Gordon earns a roster spot with the Royals in the outfield, he would qualify at third base because that's where he played the most in 2006 at Double-A Wichita)."

now wouldnt this rule pertain to all minor league players as they're added to major league rosters ? or just the one's that made opening day? Why would the rule change after opening day ? It seems to me that since he played the most at SS last year his positioning should be SS only.

Q Who knows, Steve? Typo in the rules? Seems pretty clearly worded to me.

This is a unique situation. Not too many prospects attain multiple position eligiblity in the minors. Reynolds obviously did.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:31 pm

When you pull up his name on a search, he comes as a 3B. When you get specific and go to Shortstops or Middle Infielders, he is right there. When you go to the 3rd basemen or Corner Infielders, he is nowhere to be found.

What a mess. This is why football is better. You don't see anyone trying to start Hines Ward at QB just because he played it a bit in college!

[ May 20, 2007, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: billywaz ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:31 pm

Right Q.

This isn't a minor league game. Why should you get position eligibility on multi-positions based on the MINOR LEAGUES?

The rules should be more clear. Better wording.

~Lance

AmericanDreams · Post by **AmericanDreams** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:32 pm

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

quote:Originally posted by AmericanDreams:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by AmericanDreams:

Some of you guys are so blinded by your hatred of Gekko that you're not realizing what's happening here to the rest of us.

Go search "Reynolds" on the league site and tell me what you see. Ok, click on his name and you tell what you see...

SS/MI/UTL | Arizona Diamondbacks | #27 [/QUOTE]But I knew he played 3B for 20+ games in 2006, 2005, and 2004, and I knew he didn't make the 2007 opening day roster.

So having 3B appear next to his name on the search result page only confirmed my line of thinking. [/QUOTE]He played the most games at SS last year. SS eligible. Enough said! [/QUOTE]The "most games played" only applies to Opening Day Roster players. Reynolds made his debut 3 days ago. The way I read the rule, Reynolds falls under a separate category because he didn't make the 2007 Opening Day Roster.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:37 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

"If a prospect didn't play at least one game in the majors last year and he makes the 2007 Opening Day roster, he will qualify at the position he played the most at in the minors in 2006 (i.e., Alex Gordon earns a roster spot with the Royals in the outfield, he would qualify at third base because that's where he played the most in 2006 at Double-A Wichita)."

now wouldnt this rule pertain to all minor league players as they're added to major league rosters ? or just the one's that made opening day? Why would the rule change after opening day ? It seems to me that since he played the most at SS last year his positioning should be SS only.

Q Who knows, Steve? Typo in the rules? Seems pretty clearly worded to me.

This is a unique situation. Not too many prospects attain multiple position eligiblity in the minors. Reynolds obviously did. [/QUOTE]I THOUGHT the rules about multiple positioning worked down to the minors too but after inquiring about Reynolds only SS status via email with Greg I was told that since he played there the most then that's where his positioning is.

I guess the A.Gordon example extends thru the season not just opening day even though it doesnt state that exactly. Nice nab for $4 though

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:39 pm

Just to weigh in a little. The disconnect between the position listed next to name and the profile page is a real issue. I have seen it for several years and made some mistakes because of it in previous years. As the NFBC grows, small details like this become more and more important. I am sure Greg and Tom will work with Stats to get this resolved once and for all. It just isn't acceptable when serious $$$ are on the line for there to be such errors.

Spy

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:40 pm

You guys crying because you saw Reynolds as 3B.

Please copy paste any player in the exact same scenario you found Reynolds as 3B...that has more than a one position distinction.

I'll wait.

~Lance

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:42 pm

Originally posted by Quahogs:

I THOUGHT the rules about multiple positioning worked down to the minors too but after inquiring about Reynolds only SS status via email with Greg I was told that since he played there the most then that's where his positioning is.

I guess the A.Gordon example extends thru the season not just opening day even though it doesnt state that exactly. Nice nab for $4 though

Something tells me Greg is going to have an interesting day on Monday...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:43 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

You guys crying because you saw Reynolds as 3B.

lance - no one is crying. we are trying to play by fair and easy to interpret rules.

stop baggin on people who have legit claims just because your team is in the cellar again. thanks and goodnight.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:45 pm

Lance, I have seen this issue multiple times over the years. I am too tired and need to go to sleep to go hunt for someone (and frankly, it doesn't affect me one way or the other as I didn't need Reynolds), but it is a known issue with multiple players over the years.

Spy

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:46 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by SluggoJD:

I go to CBS and look at past positions played, and I play by the rules.

sorry, but if you ACTUALLY did what you said and went out to cbssportsline, you would see that Cust played more games as a pinch hitter than as an OF. accordingly, he is U eligible only.

Checkmate [/QUOTE]WRONG ANSWER!

This link to CBS Sprtsline's player page of Cust doesn't show anything about PH. It shows fielding stats for each year, and it shows Cust with 1 game at OF in 2006.

****://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/23649

FIELDING STATS

Year Team Posn G GS TC PO A E DP FLD%

2001 ARI OF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---

2002 COL OF 18 15 25 24 0 1 0 .960

2003 BAL OF 1 0 3 3 0 0 0 1.000

2006 SD OF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 ---

2007 OAK OF 3 3 7 7 0 0 0 1.000

TOTAL 24 18 35 34 0 1 0 .971

So I ACTUALLY DID what I said, and you ACTUALLY ARE nothing more than a squirmy, lying little weasel

[ May 20, 2007, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: SluggoJD ]

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:46 pm

Wow, 3 posts in the time it took me to type 4 lines to respond to Lance. Man is everyone worked up or what?

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:48 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

I THOUGHT the rules about multiple positioning worked down to the minors too but after inquiring about Reynolds only SS status via email with Greg I was told that since he played there the most then that's where his positioning is.

I guess the A.Gordon example extends thru the season not just opening day even though it doesnt state that exactly. Nice nab for $4 though

Something tells me Greg is going to have an interesting day on Monday... [/QUOTE]I was thinking the exact same thing Glenn!

Not a baseball fan, and rarely even come over to the MB here, but I am curious to see the outcome of this, as although it is doubtful this scenario

would ever happen in football, I'm curious as to how it will be handled.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:48 pm

I thought I was pretty fair to you Mark.

That's just you being you...throwing out dickface and the like.

Your crybaby ass will drop down the ranks via pure bad karma from now on...book it!

I agree that the rules are weak in their explanation, but show me minor leaguers in the past NFBC that qualified at multiple positions WITHOUT EVER PLAYING IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES!!!

That doesn't make sense...it's like saying A-ball is the same as MLB.

~Lance

[ May 20, 2007, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:50 pm

BTW: to be clear, the issue I indicated I have seen over and over is a position listed next to a players name being different than any on their profile.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:50 pm

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

WRONG ANSWER!

This link to CBS Sprtsline's player page of Cust doesn't show anything about PH. It shows fielding stats for each year, and it shows Cust with 1 game at OF in 2006.

that's your problem, you are looking at FIELDING stats. duh!!!! get a clue and then get back to me. loser looks at fielding stats. hehehe

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:53 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

That's just you being you...throwing out dickface and the like.

Your crybaby ass will drop down the ranks via pure bad karma from now on...book it!

we'll sense i don't have much room to go at the top, it does make sense that i'd go down. nice deduction there. but one thing is certain, i will NEVER be as low as you.

btw, the dickface was not to you but sluggo and he kinda deserved it. sorry about the karma thing, i'll right the ship tomorrow.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:55 pm

Where is Crazy like a Fox when we most need him to add some sanity to this conversation.

Sluggo- first time I ever realized who you were was for calling me out for acting like a 5 year old one day on these boards. You were right and need to take some of your own advice.

Mark- I essentially argue for a living about 50% of the time. Not sure how I feel about your points on Cust but if I was negotiating with you originally I would be worried. The biggest favor you could do me is to get off point and call people names and make it personal. Give that a thought.

Lance- My God you are bad at fantasy baseball but you are one hell of a good guy.

[ May 20, 2007, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:58 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by SluggoJD:

WRONG ANSWER!

This link to CBS Sprtsline's player page of Cust doesn't show anything about PH. It shows fielding stats for each year, and it shows Cust with 1 game at OF in 2006.

that's your problem, you are looking at FIELDING stats. duh!!!! get a clue and then get back to me. loser looks at fielding stats. hehehe [/QUOTE]You're like a hot air balloon, with the last remaining puffs of helium fading away.

FIELDING IS WHAT DETERMINES PLAYER POSITION.

Of course, you know that.

And you also know that Teahen, using your previous claims up above somewhere, shows as OF...and only OF.

Yet you play Teahen at 3B, even though he hasn't appeared there all year.

And you can't get out of this coffin you dug yourself into.

You cannot legitimately claim to have believed that Reynolds was 3B eligible, and at the same time play Teahen at 3B.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:58 pm

Mark...

When you copy and respond to the parts of my posts that you choose to ignore...we will either make progress or stop.

The rules need to be better explained.

~Lance

Brilee's Brigade · Post by **Brilee's Brigade** » Sun May 20, 2007 4:00 pm

I have one vote to just ban this little weasle Gekko from the posts. All he does is cause trouble and try to get everyone worked up. He wants therules to bend in favor of him 100% of the time.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun May 20, 2007 4:03 pm

There's a silver lining.

The NFBC rules need clarification.

STATS should keep improving on these issues. (More work to make this easy and plain.)

It is entertaining (to me).

~Lance