DL Players For Week 24

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:41 am

Originally posted by Terry Haney:

As I don't keep track I can't give you an example, but I'm quite sure that this rule has caused some controversy as players that we knew were going to go on the DL, were not officially added to the DL by the 12 AM deadline, and thus were not allowed to be replaced in our Friday lineups. Your standard answer has been something to the effect that you can't help it if teams don't officially DL their players for a day or two, and that if they are not on the official DL by 12 AM Friday then they can't be replaced. What makes you think that if this were another time in the season that the Reds would have acted quick enough to have DL'd Hamilton by the 12 AM deadline? Mild hamstring strains frequently do not require a DL stint. Not to stir the pot

Unless teams never use the DL in September...I'd stick to the standards set all season long.

Terms like "likely" or "may" are WIDE OPEN statements.

~Lance

[ September 14, 2007, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Dickie V · Post by **Dickie V** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:46 am

maybe so fireball but you will never convince me otherwise

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:46 am

Originally posted by Dickie V:

Also Greg I am wondering why you guys didn't DL G Matthews Jr. today? Sounds like he to is done the rest of the regular season. We had Matthews on our original list and I told Tom to take him off. I could not find anything last night that said he was out for the year. This morning on Rotoworld.com:

"After two nights of icing and keeping his ankle elevated, Gary Matthews Jr. has been able to get rid of the crutches and the swelling has subsided."

He seemed like someone who might come back that final weekend and prepare for the playoffs.

Dickie V · Post by **Dickie V** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:48 am

i could not agree more sportsbettingman

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:50 am

Originally posted by Terry Haney:

As I don't keep track I can't give you an example, but I'm quite sure that this rule has caused some controversy as players that we knew were going to go on the DL, were not officially added to the DL by the 12 AM deadline, and thus were not allowed to be replaced in our Friday lineups. Your standard answer has been something to the effect that you can't help it if teams don't officially DL their players for a day or two, and that if they are not on the official DL by 12 AM Friday then they can't be replaced. What makes you think that if this were another time in the season that the Reds would have acted quick enough to have DL'd Hamilton by the 12 AM deadline? Mild hamstring strains frequently do not require a DL stint. I didn't follow you the whole way Terry, but we did put Philip Hughes on the DL earlier this year when he strained his hamstring on a Wednesday night and the Yankees hadn't officially DL'd him by Thursday at midnight. I wish Hughes hadn't gone on the DL for so long as my LABR team missed him badly.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:52 am

Originally posted by Dickie V:

maybe so fireball but you will never convince me otherwise Richard, then let's hold onto our convictions and move on. You stick with your belief and take it with you and we'll continue to run the contest going forward. Good luck the rest of the way.

Dickie V · Post by **Dickie V** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:55 am

roger wilco boss

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:26 am

Greg and Tom are doing the right thing here.

Sept. injury info is tough at best.

I would suggest you only go by info on team mlb.com sites and AP reports.

Rotoworld (and a few others) have many, many times in the past embellished an injury report or not initially reported it correctly because they want to be the first with the news.

I understand their need to do this, but it shouldn't be used as official info IMO.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:39 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickie V:

[qb] but what if he does return in a pinch-hitting role against the Cubs with the bases loaded 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth last game of the season with the Central Division on the line. Then what? Then nothing. Hamilton will be on the bench on everybody's team that counts. The change that should worry you is who plays for Hamilton on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

If, however, Hamilton does beat you on the last day of the season, Greg would probably be only too happy to present you with an autographed Pete Rose ball.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:45 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Terry Haney:

As I don't keep track I can't give you an example, but I'm quite sure that this rule has caused some controversy as players that we knew were going to go on the DL, were not officially added to the DL by the 12 AM deadline, and thus were not allowed to be replaced in our Friday lineups. Your standard answer has been something to the effect that you can't help it if teams don't officially DL their players for a day or two, and that if they are not on the official DL by 12 AM Friday then they can't be replaced. What makes you think that if this were another time in the season that the Reds would have acted quick enough to have DL'd Hamilton by the 12 AM deadline? Mild hamstring strains frequently do not require a DL stint. I didn't follow you the whole way Terry, but we did put Philip Hughes on the DL earlier this year when he strained his hamstring on a Wednesday night and the Yankees hadn't officially DL'd him by Thursday at midnight. I wish Hughes hadn't gone on the DL for so long as my LABR team missed him badly. [/QUOTE]Greg,

I totally support the Friday moves and usage of the DL list up till September when management judgement is required.

The only issue I had was actually when you did the Hughes move as there were other injuries that were similar that you didn't do this for. I would suggest that next year no exceptions are made.

Spy

Dickie V · Post by **Dickie V** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:56 am

That was the point I was attempting to make DOUGHBOYS. I guess I just didn't do a very good job of making it. Sorry. But as Greg and Tom and other's have ruled J Hamilton is done for the year period. But in reality he does come back at some point during this season. Then the teams that owned him this weekend were allowed a DL move. I feel that this is unfair advantage to the teams that own him. Thats all. I am sorry to cause so much controversy over this matter and as Greg told me to move on thats what I intend to do.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:00 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Terry Haney:

As I don't keep track I can't give you an example, but I'm quite sure that this rule has caused some controversy as players that we knew were going to go on the DL, were not officially added to the DL by the 12 AM deadline, and thus were not allowed to be replaced in our Friday lineups. Your standard answer has been something to the effect that you can't help it if teams don't officially DL their players for a day or two, and that if they are not on the official DL by 12 AM Friday then they can't be replaced. What makes you think that if this were another time in the season that the Reds would have acted quick enough to have DL'd Hamilton by the 12 AM deadline? Mild hamstring strains frequently do not require a DL stint. I didn't follow you the whole way Terry, but we did put Philip Hughes on the DL earlier this year when he strained his hamstring on a Wednesday night and the Yankees hadn't officially DL'd him by Thursday at midnight. I wish Hughes hadn't gone on the DL for so long as my LABR team missed him badly. [/QUOTE]Greg,

I totally support the Friday moves and usage of the DL list up till September when management judgement is required.

The only issue I had was actually when you did the Hughes move as there were other injuries that were similar that you didn't do this for. I would suggest that next year no exceptions are made.

Spy [/QUOTE]Show me an example this year where this didn't happen. We certainly tried to stay on top of it this year after the Derrek Lee incident last year. In looking back, Hughes was the only example that we had to intercede this year. I'm certainly interested in seeing the examples you cite.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:34 am

Originally posted by Dickie V:

That was the point I was attempting to make DOUGHBOYS. I guess I just didn't do a very good job of making it. Sorry. But as Greg and Tom and other's have ruled J Hamilton is done for the year period. But in reality he does come back at some point during this season. Then the teams that owned him this weekend were allowed a DL move. I feel that this is unfair advantage to the teams that own him. Thats all. I am sorry to cause so much controversy over this matter and as Greg told me to move on thats what I intend to do. No problem, Dickie V!

You expressed an opinion, Greg ruled, and the world is still rotating...all is right with the world except for its leader( That is leader of the free world, not you, Greg

).

To tell the truth I don't like the DL rule period. I feel it is more of an advantage to have someone go on the DL than it is to have a day-to-day guy for a week with this rule. However, I am probably in the minority on this.

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:49 am

I am not involved in any of these guys but I have a bigger question. The notice was posted on this message board and I can see that there are probably 50 guys on this board regularly, and probably others sporadically and many others who dont use it or even know about it. What about their teams? How can they make the moves if the "DL" doesn't show up. They wont know that they can make that move. That doesnt seem right to me. I have not seen an email about this so everyone knows it. Any comments?

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:19 am

I just received an email about this. It was dated today at 9 58 am. So that answers my above comment except for one issue I still have. What if I were at work and have no email access. It seems to me that this should be done on Thursday so everyone has an equal chance to know about it.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:59 am

Originally posted by Richie:

I just received an email about this. It was dated today at 9 58 am. So that answers my above comment except for one issue I still have. What if I were at work and have no email access. It seems to me that this should be done on Thursday so everyone has an equal chance to know about it. Hey Richie, we sent out the email to everyone about 30 minutes after Greg's post about this on the boards. So everyone in our event had at least one option to find out about it - either here on the boards or through the email that was sent. As soon as we had the list compiled and Greg made his post we sent out the email to our customers so everyone received this information as quickly as we could get it to you. Going forward if you ever have any questions you can always contact Greg or myself directly. Our contact info is:

Greg: 715 445-4612 ext. 284 or [email protected]

Tom: 715 445-4612 ext. 653 or [email protected]

I apologize for any problems that may have arisen this week.

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:05 am

I will never understand contestants in a competiton that don't pay attention to the message board for the competition.

Perhaps we need to make announcements at the drafts, and even go so far as to put something in the rules about how important it is to look at the message boards daily.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:50 am

I do need to make a note on this week's DL players: Gary Matthews Jr. was originally on the DL list that we submitted to STATS on Thursday, but on Friday morning I chose not to keep him on as there were reports that his ankle was better and that he might be able to play before the playoffs. STATS did not take him off the DL list right away and some players were able to replace him with someone from their reserve rosters. I asked that those moves be rescinded and they were last night. Anyone who did move him out of their starting lineup on Friday (I believe there were 6 teams that did that) had him inserted back into their starting lineup for the full week.

I apologize for the confusion as it was my fault for the mixed information to STATS. We'll try to get this week's list of DL players out to everyone via e-mail quicker this week and finalize that list on Thursday before the weekend games. Good luck all.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:35 am

Would there be an uprising if you simply had the rules as "No official MLB DL, no DL replacement", and didn't tinker with September?

It just seems like your Fri-Sun DL rule added this year is too loose, and puts too much stress on you guys to make judgement calls you need not have to make.

Just my opinion, of course.

~Lance

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:52 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Would there be an uprising if you simply had the rules as "No official MLB DL, no DL replacement", and didn't tinker with September?

It just seems like your Fri-Sun DL rule added this year is too loose, and puts too much stress on you guys to make judgement calls you need not have to make.

Just my opinion, of course.

~Lance Yes, it obviously would be easier not to mess with the September DL lists. It will certainly be considered for 2008. The one drawback that Tom and I were not aware of is that STATS can't manually put DL logos next to these September players that we're deeming as disabled and thus the communication to our players is our biggest concern. If we can't fix that by next year, we definitely will not do these September DL moves.

I think this rule does help our players as obviously there are injuries during the final month that are "season-ending" and happen during the week. We saw that last week. But it does affect owners positively and some see it as negatively, which caused the fracas last week with some folks. We'll evaluate it and act accordingly. Thanks Lance.