I wasn't going to say anything, but heck why not, I'm sure weveryone will hear about it soon enough.
I heard a rumor than shandler has bj upton OUT of his top 25 OF's. Personally I think shandler is somewhat correct in his projections, as a low contact rate can really hurt a players value (see ryan howard). however, I don't have upton as low as shandler. He's the 23rd OF on my list.
The crushing blow to owners will be to those that select him early, like is being done in the 2nd rounds of the mock drafts (shandler says upton is 8th round material). Could be the biggest bust of the year given nov/dec adp.
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Has Shandler watched Upton play??
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
I wasn't going to say anything, but heck why not, I'm sure weveryone will hear about it soon enough.
I heard a rumor than shandler has bj upton OUT of his top 25 OF's. Personally I think shandler is somewhat correct in his projections, as a low contact rate can really hurt a players value (see ryan howard). however, I don't have upton as low as shandler. He's the 23rd OF on my list.
The crushing blow to owners will be to those that select him early, like is being done in the 2nd rounds of the mock drafts (shandler says upton is 8th round material). Could be the biggest bust of the year given nov/dec adp. LOL, does anyone really care where he(Upton) ranks as an outfielder ?
[ December 12, 2007, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]
I wasn't going to say anything, but heck why not, I'm sure weveryone will hear about it soon enough.
I heard a rumor than shandler has bj upton OUT of his top 25 OF's. Personally I think shandler is somewhat correct in his projections, as a low contact rate can really hurt a players value (see ryan howard). however, I don't have upton as low as shandler. He's the 23rd OF on my list.
The crushing blow to owners will be to those that select him early, like is being done in the 2nd rounds of the mock drafts (shandler says upton is 8th round material). Could be the biggest bust of the year given nov/dec adp. LOL, does anyone really care where he(Upton) ranks as an outfielder ?
[ December 12, 2007, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]
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Originally posted by Quahogs:
LOL, does anyone really care where he ranks as an outfielder ? On draft day, if I need to select an OF, I would hope that I look at my OF rankings!!
LOL, does anyone really care where he ranks as an outfielder ? On draft day, if I need to select an OF, I would hope that I look at my OF rankings!!
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Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
Has Shandler watched Upton play?? Not sure Shandler's ever seen a baseball game.
Has Shandler watched Upton play?? Not sure Shandler's ever seen a baseball game.
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More than an game or two I think my friend! 
And I agree with Quahogs. If I draft BJ Upton, he will most likely be my starting second baseman not as an outfielder.
Actually, Shandler has him very close to last years numbers with a slight drop off in HR/RBI. He also predicts a BA adjustment. Most of this is a reflection of his age (23), low contact rate (could improve as he matures) and 2007 high hit rate (lucky). All in all a very reasonable projection. And an attractive pick in the right spot, especially for a second baseman with good speed.
Will he make it to the 8th. No. Too much hype.
Will he pay dividends as a second rounder? You be the judge.
And I agree with Quahogs. If I draft BJ Upton, he will most likely be my starting second baseman not as an outfielder.
Actually, Shandler has him very close to last years numbers with a slight drop off in HR/RBI. He also predicts a BA adjustment. Most of this is a reflection of his age (23), low contact rate (could improve as he matures) and 2007 high hit rate (lucky). All in all a very reasonable projection. And an attractive pick in the right spot, especially for a second baseman with good speed.
Will he make it to the 8th. No. Too much hype.
Will he pay dividends as a second rounder? You be the judge.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Mark, havent spoken for a while. Hope all is well. I too have to disagree. There may be some BA adjustment, but as a 2B he will be a monster. I think he is really going to come into his own this year after just scratching the surface last year.
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Originally posted by fireballs:
Mark, havent spoken for a while. Hope all is well. I too have to disagree. There may be some BA adjustment, but as a 2B he will be a monster. I think he is really going to come into his own this year after just scratching the surface last year.
Jeff hey Jeff!
ummmmmm, forgot about the 2B eligible. i guess that would move him up, but how far? as for your last statement, couldn't that be said about numerous "young" players?
Mark, havent spoken for a while. Hope all is well. I too have to disagree. There may be some BA adjustment, but as a 2B he will be a monster. I think he is really going to come into his own this year after just scratching the surface last year.
Jeff hey Jeff!
ummmmmm, forgot about the 2B eligible. i guess that would move him up, but how far? as for your last statement, couldn't that be said about numerous "young" players?
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Originally posted by Vander:
quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
Has Shandler watched Upton play?? Not sure Shandler's ever seen a baseball game. [/QUOTE]Or a naked women
quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
Has Shandler watched Upton play?? Not sure Shandler's ever seen a baseball game. [/QUOTE]Or a naked women
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Absolutely bro, no doubt. I just think that he is one of those guys that is going to live up to the hype. 24-82-22 for 476 AB's sure is a nice start. And as you said that 2B eligibility surely gives him quite a bump up. He is no way an 8th round pick, in my humble opinion.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by fireballs:
Mark, havent spoken for a while. Hope all is well. I too have to disagree. There may be some BA adjustment, but as a 2B he will be a monster. I think he is really going to come into his own this year after just scratching the surface last year.
Jeff hey Jeff!
ummmmmm, forgot about the 2B eligible. i guess that would move him up, but how far? as for your last statement, couldn't that be said about numerous "young" players? [/QUOTE]Anyone who believes you forgot he was 2b eligible should go by some swamp land in South Florida.
You ask yourself who has the chance to be a first 3 pick in 09 who is not a first rounder in 08 and Upton jumps out at me. I personally like him late 2nd round but I know some really bright folks do not.
quote:Originally posted by fireballs:
Mark, havent spoken for a while. Hope all is well. I too have to disagree. There may be some BA adjustment, but as a 2B he will be a monster. I think he is really going to come into his own this year after just scratching the surface last year.
Jeff hey Jeff!
ummmmmm, forgot about the 2B eligible. i guess that would move him up, but how far? as for your last statement, couldn't that be said about numerous "young" players? [/QUOTE]Anyone who believes you forgot he was 2b eligible should go by some swamp land in South Florida.
You ask yourself who has the chance to be a first 3 pick in 09 who is not a first rounder in 08 and Upton jumps out at me. I personally like him late 2nd round but I know some really bright folks do not.
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
Anyone who believes you forgot he was 2b eligible should go by some swamp land in South Florida.
You ask yourself who has the chance to be a first 3 pick in 09 who is not a first rounder in 08 and Upton jumps out at me. I personally like him late 2nd round but I know some really bright folks do not. seeing how i haven't gotten to 2nd baseman rankings yet (have done SP, RP and working through OF right now), i'm allowed to forget a few things, aren't i?
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Anyone who believes you forgot he was 2b eligible should go by some swamp land in South Florida.
You ask yourself who has the chance to be a first 3 pick in 09 who is not a first rounder in 08 and Upton jumps out at me. I personally like him late 2nd round but I know some really bright folks do not. seeing how i haven't gotten to 2nd baseman rankings yet (have done SP, RP and working through OF right now), i'm allowed to forget a few things, aren't i?
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
Anyone who believes you forgot he was 2b eligible should go by some swamp land in South Florida.
You ask yourself who has the chance to be a first 3 pick in 09 who is not a first rounder in 08 and Upton jumps out at me. I personally like him late 2nd round but I know some really bright folks do not. seeing how i haven't gotten to 2nd baseman rankings yet (have done SP, RP and working through OF right now), i'm allowed to forget a few things, aren't i? [/QUOTE]People can get caught up in your act and lose sight of one thing. You are very, very prepared on draft day. I also think you do a great job of looking at the right information also.
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
Anyone who believes you forgot he was 2b eligible should go by some swamp land in South Florida.
You ask yourself who has the chance to be a first 3 pick in 09 who is not a first rounder in 08 and Upton jumps out at me. I personally like him late 2nd round but I know some really bright folks do not. seeing how i haven't gotten to 2nd baseman rankings yet (have done SP, RP and working through OF right now), i'm allowed to forget a few things, aren't i?
[/QUOTE]People can get caught up in your act and lose sight of one thing. You are very, very prepared on draft day. I also think you do a great job of looking at the right information also.