Gekko and Zambrano

Andy Tu La Daddy · Post by **Andy Tu La Daddy** » Fri May 09, 2008 6:16 am

Mr. Gekko,

Has your opinion of Zambrano changed since draft day or is he still way overvalued in your eyes?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri May 09, 2008 6:22 am

just like with cliff lee, numbers speak. after that...

still overvalued -- yes

of concern...strikeouts trending down, walks trending up

Zman and cliff lee are pitchers that i'll let someone else try to beat me with. their past is too checkered for me.

if Zman was a stock, i'd be buying some Puts and/or selling my positions as fast as i could

[ May 09, 2008, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:09 am

What does Gordon Gekko know about STOCKS!

(Wall Street bad joke.)

~Lance

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:35 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

just like with cliff lee, numbers speak. after that...

still overvalued -- yes

of concern...strikeouts trending down, walks trending up

Zman and cliff lee are pitchers that i'll let someone else try to beat me with. their past is too checkered for me.

if Zman was a stock, i'd be buying some Puts and/or selling my positions as fast as i could Can't pass up a stock analogy.

The problem wasn't that Zambrano was/is overvalued, the problem was that the consensus perception of risk that GG believed was wrong. Buying into such misperceptions is how you create low-risk profits in the stock market. Zambrano is a low multiple stock that now is trending higher because of strong fundamentals.

You want to ride a strong stock until its overvalued, buying options/insurance will just burn up what should be profits, bringing your returns back to mediocrity.

[ May 09, 2008, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:46 am

Duke – zman has reached his 52-wk perceived high for this year. The “market news” is such that k’s are going down while bb’s are going up. If this was a trading league, I’d be dumping him (AND CLIFF LEE) to owners like you in exchange for players who have underperformed to date.

[ May 09, 2008, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:06 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Duke – zman has reached his 52-wk perceived high for this year. The “market news” is such that k’s are going down while bb’s are going up. If this was a trading league, I’d be dumping him (AND CLIFF LEE) to owners like you in exchange for players who have underperformed to date. His K's are down 1 per 9ip, but his walk rate is almost half of what it was last year.

That's some bad "market news" you have there....

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:10 am

Ufs - fantasy baseball is a world of what have u done lately. Last couple starts is what I'm talking about. "Market news" is just that news. First week of april isn't news. Sorry

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:15 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Duke – zman has reached his 52-wk perceived high for this year. The “market news” is such that k’s are going down while bb’s are going up. If this was a trading league, I’d be dumping him (AND CLIFF LEE) to owners like you in exchange for players who have underperformed to date. The "story" was that his WHIP would be no good because he was hurt - and that his declining K rate and higher BB rate reflected this fact. This was partially a mirage from a bad start least season that masked very strong numbers thereafter. It was partially that he just has matured as a pitcher, and unlike when he was 25 he does not try to strike out every batter.

You can be a stock flipper if you want Gekko, but you'll leave a lot of money on the table. Better to do your research and know which ones will keep performing and ride them, than scalp small profits here and there by listening to what the "Street" has to say.

[ May 09, 2008, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:30 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Ufs - fantasy baseball is a world of what have u done lately. Last couple starts is what I'm talking about. "Market news" is just that news. First week of april isn't news. Sorry Last couple is 3 bb in 8 ip and 2 bb in 6.1 ip.

First week of May.

Hope you only bought puts in April, and didn't sell the calls. Margin man would be calling about now.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:42 am

Originally posted by UFS:

Last couple is 3 bb in 8 ip and 2 bb in 6.1 ip.

and his k rate in those?

listen - zman has his "groupies" but i ain't one of them

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:51 am

Groupy = 5 wins, 1.80/1.11 and 38 K's.

Non-groupy = spent a wad on Max hoping for a Zambrano-like outing.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:07 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Groupy = 5 wins, 1.80/1.11 and 38 K's.

too bad u can't sell high in a league like the NFBC

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:39 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Groupy = 5 wins, 1.80/1.11 and 38 K's.

too bad u can't sell high in a league like the NFBC [/QUOTE]If I could sell high I'd be shopping a guy like Volquez who has no history of success at this level, rather than a guy who pitches 200+ quality innings every year.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:07 am

Screw Zman how about terrible Ted Lilly, finally pitching great , only one run in seven innings and 10 k's. YEAH BOY!!!!!!!!!!

TheKing · Post by **TheKing** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:24 am

Here's a thread where GG is clearly wrong. Clearly.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 12, 2008 2:22 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Duke – zman has reached his 52-wk perceived high for this year. The “market news” is such that k’s are going down while bb’s are going up. If this was a trading league, I’d be dumping him (AND CLIFF LEE) to owners like you in exchange for players who have underperformed to date. Sell him for Tulowitzki!

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 12, 2008 2:24 am

Trade vetoed in a league of mine:

Aybar and Lilli for Sheets and Sheffield. You make the call. Was it fair?

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon May 12, 2008 3:06 am

Why the veto? They're all flawed.