Week 12 Drops

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I won't say you'll be wrong on your Church projection because its in the realm of possibile. But much worse numbers are possible too, and it wouldn't be shocking.

Bottom line is Greg pulls top players from the pool, and Church has neither been a top player this year nor any other year. He is rated 40th at his position on an objective NFBC model (not mine). Better players have historically been dropped and available. greg decided to keep him in the pool. no problem.

but to get to your post, i don't care what system is used. if someone AFTER 1/3 of the season is on pace for the below stats and can be dropped and available in a free agent pool, i WELCOME owners in my league to drop players like that. PLEASE!!! church had better stats than Tex, who would have been removed in an instant had he been dropped.

after 1/3 of season, on pace for:

100+ runs

30 homers

100+ rbi's

3 sb

.300 avg

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:08 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I won't say you'll be wrong on your Church projection because its in the realm of possibile. But much worse numbers are possible too, and it wouldn't be shocking.

i aslo thought broussard was a lock for 20 homeruns after the first week of the season

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:11 pm

Quahogs - where is this thread on the bile meter?

[ June 17, 2008, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:11 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I won't say you'll be wrong on your Church projection because its in the realm of possibile. But much worse numbers are possible too, and it wouldn't be shocking.

Bottom line is Greg pulls top players from the pool, and Church has neither been a top player this year nor any other year. He is rated 40th at his position on an objective NFBC model (not mine). Better players have historically been dropped and available. greg decided to keep him in the pool. no problem.

but to get to your post, i don't care what system is used. if someone AFTER 1/3 of the season is on pace for the below stats and can be dropped and available in a free agent pool, i WELCOME owners in my league to drop players like that. PLEASE!!! church had better stats than Tex, who would have been removed in an instant had he been dropped.

after 1/3 of season, on pace for:

100+ runs

30 homers

100+ rbi's

3 sb

.300 avg [/QUOTE]Does adding in the 3 SBs help your cause?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:13 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Does adding in the 3 SBs help your cause?

his 3 plus miggy's 3 = 6

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:16 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Quahogs - where is this thread on the bile meter?

not detecting any bile. Seems like good old fashioned give and take. Pace is brisk and personal attacks minimal.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:17 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Does adding in the 3 SBs help your cause?

his 3 plus miggy's 3 = 6

[/QUOTE]Which = one good night for Willie Taveras.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:23 pm

Hey Q, here's some surprising news.

--- Hank Blalock (carpal tunnel syndrome) is no longer aiming to make it back this weekend, the Dallas Morning News reports.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:32 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Hey Q, here's some surprising news.

--- Hank Blalock (carpal tunnel syndrome) is no longer aiming to make it back this weekend, the Dallas Morning News reports. Udder disbelief. Give me those bug eyes

It's time to roll out....

HANK PLAYNOT

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:38 pm

James Loney needs a good nickname too.

Couple nights ago I thought I saw the 3rd base coach running down the line to waive the runner in, turns out it was Loney about to get thrown.

For a young guy that actually looks athletic, I don't think there's anyone slower.

[ June 17, 2008, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:38 pm

Would "James Slowney" be too obvious?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:21 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Would "James Slowney" be too obvious? James Sloney is a good one. Don't even need the W !

Latham · Post by **Latham** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:24 pm

I actually hired out someone to put a curse on Kouzmanoff (it's all part of my plan to star in Fantasyland 2), but so far it hasn't worked.

[/QB][/quote]

WTF Bjoak, can I send you a list of other guys to put a curse on. The Kouzmanoff curse only took a few hours to work, guess he will be out a couple of months as well.

Kevin Kouzmanoff-3B-Padres Jun. 17 - 7:58 pm et

Kevin Kouzmanoff was scratched from Tuesday's lineup due to a back injury.

[ June 17, 2008, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Latham ]

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:06 pm

Emory Upchurch is in charge of curses. He is around here somewhere.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:53 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Worth looking into if the top teams still dominate the FA$$'s.

i believe the team in 2nd place acquired church. don't know about how many FAAB remaining.

the cuts look questionable regardless of FAAB implications. [/QUOTE]Okay, let's analyze Chicago 3 first since everyone is concentrating on these cuts. The league has 11 NFBC veterans in it who have competed in the main event before, so it's not like we have a full league of first time members. It's an active league as several guys have little FAAB money left. The team in first place in this league and overall has the eighth most FAAB left in Chicago 3 and while he's well out in front of first place there is a tough battle for second and third place. A half-point separates four teams from second place.

That's the background on this league. I will admit that I hate when players are cut in just one main event league and I hate it more when they come from the same league. I do my best to keep a level playing field for all participants, while still allowing the leagues to play themselves out. Owners know that there is no tomorrow in our leagues, so some folks have no patience with injuries, especially with our small reserve rosters. I understand that.

Tulowitzki was pulled from this league earlier because of the uncertainty of the length of his injury and the impact he could have upon his return with half a season left. The fact that he hasn't been cut in another league makes me feel like we made the right call on him and he will remain out of this league for the rest of the year.

I analyzed the Church cut last week just like I analyzed the Ryan Zimmerman cut as well last week. I chose to leave both players in their respective free agent pools. I have no problem with teams cutting Hafner and Martinez this week as long as they are improving their teams with better pickups. It's then up to us to decide if we should freeze them via FAAB or not.

Hafner is just bad this year, plain and simple. Martinez is the tougher call and I realize that. I want to look this over a little more.

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:35 am

The team in first place in this league and overall has the eighth most FAAB left in Chicago 3 and while he's well out in front of first place there is a tough battle for second and third place. A half-point separates four teams from second place.[/QB]The four teams battling for second and third average $115 in remaining FAAB. The four teams that are chasing this group (within 16 points of second place) average $520 in remaining FAAB.

For full disclosure I’m one of chasing group.

In the Main I have $415 remaining and league average is $275, the range is $14-643 and five teams have under $100. Another five teams have more FAAB left then my $415.

For the Satellites it looks as if the fewer places that pay the more aggressive the owners are with their FAAB early in the year.

In the MAG II (which only pays first place) the average FAAB remaining is $306 (range $94-829) only one team has under $100 and only one team is over my $449.

In my Winner take all (Which only pays two places) the average remaining is $356, with a range of Zero to $644, three teams are under $100 and eight teams have more then my $391.

In My Pay Top Three places the average remaining is $532, range $75-800, with only one under $100 and two under my $240, the other 12 teams are all over $400.

I was not surprised to see the Main bidding to be more aggressive, and in my opinion the talent pool was far better in the Satellites. Between the four leagues the team in first ranged from $112-618 remaining.

The last place teams range from $459-829 (One most remaining FAAB & two second most remaining).

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:14 am

Just an FYI to all of the leagues that I have removed Victor Martinez from Chicago League 3's free agent pool for the time being. Here is the e-mail I just sent to those 15 league owners:

Everyone,

Just a heads up that I have pulled Victor Martinez from the free agent pool in Chicago League 3 for this week. It's possible that he could return to your free agent pool in the coming weeks and I will e-mail each of you individually if that happens, so bid with that in mind for this week.

Martinez was only cut in Chicago League 3 among the main events and as we try to balance the fight for league titles and the competitive balance among all 26 leagues in the main event we sometimes have to make these tough calls. We will analyze the length of Martinez's injury and moves in other leagues on a weekly basis before making a final decision on Martinez in Chicago League 3.

I will state again that I have no problem with teams cutting players like Martinez who are hurt and could be sidelined for a large amount of time. It's then up to me as the commissioner to decide whether it's fair for all teams involved to leave those players in their leagues' free agent pools. It's especially hard on injured players who could later come back and still deliver superstar numbers.

We also made the call on Troy Tulowitzki earlier this year in Chicago League 3 to take him out of the free agent pool and I've already stated that he will remain out for the rest of the year. His early return from that surgery necessitated the need to remove him from Chicago 3, which is still the only main event league that cut him.

Good luck to all in the race for the league title and the overall title. This is a very competitive league and I trust the fight to the finish will be an intense one. Good luck down the stretch.

I understand the pros and cons of removing players from individual leagues, but as I said above balancing the league battles with the overall prize battle is a delicate job and sometimes I have to intervene. It's possible that Victor Martinez will be out longer than expected and cut in many other leagues, which would make the situation different than it is now. But I'd rather play it safe this week, learn more about his situation and analyze this move down the road than just leave him in one league for now. Again, I understand the reasons for and against this move and I'm taking the safer route right now.

I'll stay on top of this situation and all future cuts via the message boards and our weekly newsletter. Good luck all.

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:05 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

Emory Upchurch is in charge of curses. He is around here somewhere. My services are available for a small fee (I have to cover the costs of making the appropriate voodoo doll).