I don't understand why if a league where a guy is in 1st place and has played his FAAB right won't get the chance to get a closer if dumped, but if he doesn't as is the case with GG you will allow him to stay. Is this the way I understand it Greg? If so, then that is not fair to me for being near the top of the standings if I still have say one of the top amounts of FAAB left. I am sure you will do what you feel is fair and we will all have to live with that decision, but I seriously don't see how making a decision based on what teams have how much FAAB left in each league and how they sit in the standings make it any fairer for the other 25 leagues who still don't have a shot at that player.
Just my two cents.
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Originally posted by Hard Heads:
I don't understand why if a league where a guy is in 1st place and has played his FAAB right won't get the chance to get a closer if dumped, but if he doesn't as is the case with GG you will allow him to stay. Is this the way I understand it Greg? If so, then that is not fair to me for being near the top of the standings if I still have say one of the top amounts of FAAB left. I am sure you will do what you feel is fair and we will all have to live with that decision, but I seriously don't see how making a decision based on what teams have how much FAAB left in each league and how they sit in the standings make it any fairer for the other 25 leagues who still don't have a shot at that player.
Just my two cents.
Craig good post craig. i think if you start down the road of pulling players out of the faab pool partly because of the amount of faab the first or second place team has
, that is the wrong road to go down.
again, remove him if it's collusion or a star player. one category guys (closers and stolen base guys) will be dropped more and more as the season goes on (just like last year).
I don't understand why if a league where a guy is in 1st place and has played his FAAB right won't get the chance to get a closer if dumped, but if he doesn't as is the case with GG you will allow him to stay. Is this the way I understand it Greg? If so, then that is not fair to me for being near the top of the standings if I still have say one of the top amounts of FAAB left. I am sure you will do what you feel is fair and we will all have to live with that decision, but I seriously don't see how making a decision based on what teams have how much FAAB left in each league and how they sit in the standings make it any fairer for the other 25 leagues who still don't have a shot at that player.
Just my two cents.
Craig good post craig. i think if you start down the road of pulling players out of the faab pool partly because of the amount of faab the first or second place team has
, that is the wrong road to go down. again, remove him if it's collusion or a star player. one category guys (closers and stolen base guys) will be dropped more and more as the season goes on (just like last year).
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Originally posted by gsjanoff:
Whatever # of saves he gets the rest of the year even if it is one category, should far outweigh the negative value from WHIP or ERA or both, when factoring in the total # of innings pitched by your average staff in this game.
as of this morning the STATS player rater has brian wilson as the 138th most valuable player. 138! that's because he's an average closer with a bad whip, bad era, and low wins. if wilson doesn't get another 24 saves in the 2nd half of the season, his rating will likely get a lot worse.
here are the rankings of some closers i don't consider average...
Rivera, Mariano (NYY) 7
Papelbon, Jonathan (BOS) 9
Rodriguez, Francisco (LAA) 11
Soria, Joakim (KC) 17
Wood, Kerry (CHC) 20
Nathan, Joe (MIN) 22
[ July 08, 2008, 04:34 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]
Whatever # of saves he gets the rest of the year even if it is one category, should far outweigh the negative value from WHIP or ERA or both, when factoring in the total # of innings pitched by your average staff in this game.
as of this morning the STATS player rater has brian wilson as the 138th most valuable player. 138! that's because he's an average closer with a bad whip, bad era, and low wins. if wilson doesn't get another 24 saves in the 2nd half of the season, his rating will likely get a lot worse.
here are the rankings of some closers i don't consider average...
Rivera, Mariano (NYY) 7
Papelbon, Jonathan (BOS) 9
Rodriguez, Francisco (LAA) 11
Soria, Joakim (KC) 17
Wood, Kerry (CHC) 20
Nathan, Joe (MIN) 22
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Greg,
While some posters may have agendas with their posts, I hope everyone appreciates the fact that you are reviewing all of the drops and looking into ones that might appear to be questionable. I certainly do.
While you are still reviewing, allow me submit Exhibit A and Exhibit B. These are portions of threads taken from July of last year allowing Dotel, Todd Jones, and David Weathers to remain in the FAAB pool after being dropped. I looked back at a couple “drop” threads in July to find these.
Dotel & Todd Jones
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 03, 2007
I have decided to keep Dotel and Jones in their respective free agent pools because obviously each closer has as much risk as reward. These are not dominant closers who dominate 3-4 categories and thus we'll allow them to remain in their free agent pools.
David Weathers
Gordon Gekko
posted July 23, 2007
Will Dave Weathers get pulled from LV9 free agent pool? His stats to date…
19 saves
3.28 ERA
1.09 whip
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 23, 2007
As you know, we haven't pulled Todd Jones or Octavio Dotel from the free agent pool, so at this point I don't see us pulling Weathers.
While some posters may have agendas with their posts, I hope everyone appreciates the fact that you are reviewing all of the drops and looking into ones that might appear to be questionable. I certainly do.
While you are still reviewing, allow me submit Exhibit A and Exhibit B. These are portions of threads taken from July of last year allowing Dotel, Todd Jones, and David Weathers to remain in the FAAB pool after being dropped. I looked back at a couple “drop” threads in July to find these.
Dotel & Todd Jones
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 03, 2007
I have decided to keep Dotel and Jones in their respective free agent pools because obviously each closer has as much risk as reward. These are not dominant closers who dominate 3-4 categories and thus we'll allow them to remain in their free agent pools.
David Weathers
Gordon Gekko
posted July 23, 2007
Will Dave Weathers get pulled from LV9 free agent pool? His stats to date…
19 saves
3.28 ERA
1.09 whip
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 23, 2007
As you know, we haven't pulled Todd Jones or Octavio Dotel from the free agent pool, so at this point I don't see us pulling Weathers.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
Greg,
While some posters may have agendas with their posts, I hope everyone appreciates the fact that you are reviewing all of the drops and looking into ones that might appear to be questionable. I certainly do.
While you are still reviewing, allow me submit Exhibit A and Exhibit B. These are portions of threads taken from July of last year allowing Dotel, Todd Jones, and David Weathers to remain in the FAAB pool after being dropped. I looked back at a couple “drop” threads in July to find these.
Dotel & Todd Jones
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 03, 2007
I have decided to keep Dotel and Jones in their respective free agent pools because obviously each closer has as much risk as reward. These are not dominant closers who dominate 3-4 categories and thus we'll allow them to remain in their free agent pools.
David Weathers
Gordon Gekko
posted July 23, 2007
Will Dave Weathers get pulled from LV9 free agent pool? His stats to date…
19 saves
3.28 ERA
1.09 whip
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 23, 2007
As you know, we haven't pulled Todd Jones or Octavio Dotel from the free agent pool, so at this point I don't see us pulling Weathers. Are you saying you don't have an agenda? Are you the same guy who wanted Ryan Church pulled from the pool a month ago? Now you are walking on the other side of the street. You need a closer and you don't want any pulled from the pool. I don't what the cut off is, but there will be a day when the same player could be dropped in another league. Can you pull one player from one league and not another? I think this is a tough question. I don't think he should be pulled from the pool. If the team continues to drop closers, at what point does the name become removeable?
Greg,
While some posters may have agendas with their posts, I hope everyone appreciates the fact that you are reviewing all of the drops and looking into ones that might appear to be questionable. I certainly do.
While you are still reviewing, allow me submit Exhibit A and Exhibit B. These are portions of threads taken from July of last year allowing Dotel, Todd Jones, and David Weathers to remain in the FAAB pool after being dropped. I looked back at a couple “drop” threads in July to find these.
Dotel & Todd Jones
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 03, 2007
I have decided to keep Dotel and Jones in their respective free agent pools because obviously each closer has as much risk as reward. These are not dominant closers who dominate 3-4 categories and thus we'll allow them to remain in their free agent pools.
David Weathers
Gordon Gekko
posted July 23, 2007
Will Dave Weathers get pulled from LV9 free agent pool? His stats to date…
19 saves
3.28 ERA
1.09 whip
Greg Ambrosius
posted July 23, 2007
As you know, we haven't pulled Todd Jones or Octavio Dotel from the free agent pool, so at this point I don't see us pulling Weathers. Are you saying you don't have an agenda? Are you the same guy who wanted Ryan Church pulled from the pool a month ago? Now you are walking on the other side of the street. You need a closer and you don't want any pulled from the pool. I don't what the cut off is, but there will be a day when the same player could be dropped in another league. Can you pull one player from one league and not another? I think this is a tough question. I don't think he should be pulled from the pool. If the team continues to drop closers, at what point does the name become removeable?
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I don't think there's any need to be politicking for or against this move as I'm the one who has to make the final call and none of this is swaying my vote. On his own merits, Wilson is a person who can stay in a free agent pool, just like I've allowed past closers in the pool. But there is much more to consider here:
1. How the league is being played out.
2. The potential for more closers to be dropped in this league.
3. The effects of the overall contest with this drop and other drops.
To not look at this on an individual basis would be foolish on my part. I can see where leaving Wilson in NY3 makes sense and won't affect the overall contest, but after that then it would be foolish to allow 4 or 5 more closers to be available in one league where they aren't in others. And that can happen here. If a similar closer is cut in another league where it would affect the overall contest, should I pull him there?
These are all tough decisions that I'll weigh without the debate going on here.
1. How the league is being played out.
2. The potential for more closers to be dropped in this league.
3. The effects of the overall contest with this drop and other drops.
To not look at this on an individual basis would be foolish on my part. I can see where leaving Wilson in NY3 makes sense and won't affect the overall contest, but after that then it would be foolish to allow 4 or 5 more closers to be available in one league where they aren't in others. And that can happen here. If a similar closer is cut in another league where it would affect the overall contest, should I pull him there?
These are all tough decisions that I'll weigh without the debate going on here.
Greg Ambrosius
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General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
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Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
Are you saying you don't have an agenda? Are you the same guy who wanted Ryan Church pulled from the pool a month ago? Now you are walking on the other side of the street. You need a closer and you don't want any pulled from the pool. I don't what the cut off is, but there will be a day when the same player could be dropped in another league. Can you pull one player from one league and not another? I think this is a tough question. I don't think he should be pulled from the pool. If the team continues to drop closers, at what point does the name become removeable? Shawn,
You say “walking on the other side of the street”??? I say considering each drop on a case by case basis. I’m trying to stay as unbiased as possible. Wilson is not a star player and there is no collusion.
With Marte and Balfour going for hundreds of dollars in NY3 last week, Wilson will likely go for $250+ this week. I have less than $100 less FOR THE YEAR. There is no way I get him. The only thing I can hope for is that someone blows a big wad on him this week and that someone doesn’t use Wilson to PASS ME OUT in the league standings. The guy who owns all the closers in our league has created a scarcity in NY3 that has affected all our owners.
As for Church, he was certainly a player to be looked at.
Your question: Can you pull one player from one league and not another?
My response: I sure as heck hope not. There are lots of valuable players dropped each week that could affect the overall standings. What’s it going to come to in September, any player dropped that might contribute 4 saves or 4 stolen bases on the month will get pulled from the FAAB pool?
This seems like a slippery slope to go down.
[ July 08, 2008, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]
Are you saying you don't have an agenda? Are you the same guy who wanted Ryan Church pulled from the pool a month ago? Now you are walking on the other side of the street. You need a closer and you don't want any pulled from the pool. I don't what the cut off is, but there will be a day when the same player could be dropped in another league. Can you pull one player from one league and not another? I think this is a tough question. I don't think he should be pulled from the pool. If the team continues to drop closers, at what point does the name become removeable? Shawn,
You say “walking on the other side of the street”??? I say considering each drop on a case by case basis. I’m trying to stay as unbiased as possible. Wilson is not a star player and there is no collusion.
With Marte and Balfour going for hundreds of dollars in NY3 last week, Wilson will likely go for $250+ this week. I have less than $100 less FOR THE YEAR. There is no way I get him. The only thing I can hope for is that someone blows a big wad on him this week and that someone doesn’t use Wilson to PASS ME OUT in the league standings. The guy who owns all the closers in our league has created a scarcity in NY3 that has affected all our owners.
As for Church, he was certainly a player to be looked at.
Your question: Can you pull one player from one league and not another?
My response: I sure as heck hope not. There are lots of valuable players dropped each week that could affect the overall standings. What’s it going to come to in September, any player dropped that might contribute 4 saves or 4 stolen bases on the month will get pulled from the FAAB pool?
This seems like a slippery slope to go down.
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For the record, I don't think he should be pulled from the FA pool. I just don't think if you leave him or pull him from one league why it would be any different in the other 25 leagues. Only reason in my opinion why it should be any different in any other league is if he was pulled for fear of collusion in one league and not in the other. Again, just my two cents. I am sort of in GG's spot with just over $100 left in FAAB thanks to my $200 win of Marte for a one category guy. 
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Greg will make the decision based on what is best. He bears the responsibility and I do not envy it.
Just for my two cents (and we all know what two cents are worth), this one is a no-brainer. Wilson should stay in for no other reason than to pull a player should be exercised in extreme cases only. We all know how to play the game, we all know each league is different, and we all know players who will actually help you may be chump change to someone else.
I would prefer Greg (and Tom and team) let the leagues play, to be the saftey valve in extreme circumstances, and not be forced to be a nursemaid (I do not like nursemaids with mustaches and beer-breath
).
Just thoughts. Good luck.
Just for my two cents (and we all know what two cents are worth), this one is a no-brainer. Wilson should stay in for no other reason than to pull a player should be exercised in extreme cases only. We all know how to play the game, we all know each league is different, and we all know players who will actually help you may be chump change to someone else.
I would prefer Greg (and Tom and team) let the leagues play, to be the saftey valve in extreme circumstances, and not be forced to be a nursemaid (I do not like nursemaids with mustaches and beer-breath
).Just thoughts. Good luck.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Mark,
You're right about very few closers available in NY3. I'm just glad Childs gave me the heads up on Morrow a few weeks back (great tip at 7:50pm on a Sunday night). Let Wilson stay and let's get bidding--$45
You're right about very few closers available in NY3. I'm just glad Childs gave me the heads up on Morrow a few weeks back (great tip at 7:50pm on a Sunday night). Let Wilson stay and let's get bidding--$45
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Originally posted by mdz129:
Mark,
You're right about very few closers available in NY3. I'm just glad Childs gave me the heads up on Morrow a few weeks back (great tip at 7:50pm on a Sunday night). Let Wilson stay and let's get bidding--$45 i'm aware of that. if you make the money, you should probably give ~75% to shawn. next year, man up on your own.
i can at least find some solace in that i didn't even have the runner up bid.
Mark,
You're right about very few closers available in NY3. I'm just glad Childs gave me the heads up on Morrow a few weeks back (great tip at 7:50pm on a Sunday night). Let Wilson stay and let's get bidding--$45 i'm aware of that. if you make the money, you should probably give ~75% to shawn. next year, man up on your own.
i can at least find some solace in that i didn't even have the runner up bid.
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I sent Greg an email with my thoughts but wanted to share them here.
This to me is a simple question is Brian Wilson good enough to be allowed in to the pool in ANY main event league at this point in the season? Assuming no fears of collusion which I think is certainly out of play here.To me that is a tough call and he gets paid to make that decision.
Looking at how much FAAB is left in that league is wrong and should not be considered. This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. If Greg determines Wilson is not valuable enough and gets left in. May the best man get him. Taking how Brian Wilson or any players affects any one team in particular in this contest is a slippery slope and just not right. If left in the doubters of the world think he is for Mark. If taken out the doubters say he is against him. Keep it simple and about Brian Wilson- is Wilson good enough to stay or not? That is a decision I do not envy. For the love of Jack Cust I would hope that everyone involved realizes this is a very close call and supports the decision no matter what.
This to me is a simple question is Brian Wilson good enough to be allowed in to the pool in ANY main event league at this point in the season? Assuming no fears of collusion which I think is certainly out of play here.To me that is a tough call and he gets paid to make that decision.
Looking at how much FAAB is left in that league is wrong and should not be considered. This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. If Greg determines Wilson is not valuable enough and gets left in. May the best man get him. Taking how Brian Wilson or any players affects any one team in particular in this contest is a slippery slope and just not right. If left in the doubters of the world think he is for Mark. If taken out the doubters say he is against him. Keep it simple and about Brian Wilson- is Wilson good enough to stay or not? That is a decision I do not envy. For the love of Jack Cust I would hope that everyone involved realizes this is a very close call and supports the decision no matter what.
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
Looking at how much FAAB is left in that league is wrong and should not be considered. This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. If Greg determines Wilson is not valuable enough and gets left in. May the best man get him. Taking how Brian Wilson or any players affects any one team in particular in this contest is a slippery slope and just not right. I agree 100%! This time it's me and my FAAB in question. Next time it could be you. It shouldn't be personal. The last thing I expect to happen is having an owner get penalized because he saved his FAAB.
Again, that is why I think there are really only two reasons to pull a player...
1) Collusion
2) He's a star player
Good post Chest!
Looking at how much FAAB is left in that league is wrong and should not be considered. This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. If Greg determines Wilson is not valuable enough and gets left in. May the best man get him. Taking how Brian Wilson or any players affects any one team in particular in this contest is a slippery slope and just not right. I agree 100%! This time it's me and my FAAB in question. Next time it could be you. It shouldn't be personal. The last thing I expect to happen is having an owner get penalized because he saved his FAAB.
Again, that is why I think there are really only two reasons to pull a player...
1) Collusion
2) He's a star player
Good post Chest!
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. Again, that is why I think there are really only two reasons to pull a player...
1) Collusion
2) He's a star player
[/QUOTE]Was Church a "star player" when you questioned him being left in the FA pool?
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. Again, that is why I think there are really only two reasons to pull a player...
1) Collusion
2) He's a star player
[/QUOTE]Was Church a "star player" when you questioned him being left in the FA pool?
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Originally posted by Sheep:
Was Church a "star player" when you questioned him being left in the FA pool? i'm assuming he wasn't because he was left in the faab pool.
[ July 08, 2008, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]
Was Church a "star player" when you questioned him being left in the FA pool? i'm assuming he wasn't because he was left in the faab pool.
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Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
Greg will make the decision based on what is best. He bears the responsibility and I do not envy it.
Just for my two cents (and we all know what two cents are worth), this one is a no-brainer. Wilson should stay in for no other reason than to pull a player should be exercised in extreme cases only. We all know how to play the game, we all know each league is different, and we all know players who will actually help you may be chump change to someone else.
I would prefer Greg (and Tom and team) let the leagues play, to be the saftey valve in extreme circumstances, and not be forced to be a nursemaid (I do not like nursemaids with mustaches and beer-breath ).
Just thoughts. Good luck. I just want to point out that history shows that we have tried to let the individual leagues play out as much as possible and we've probably left players in leagues where folks have petitioned to have them pulled out. And we've seen how our decisions have allowed the leagues to play out on their own while still maintaining balance in the overall contest.
That being said, I've been more proactive when it comes to injured players who are cut in only one league because the unknown factor makes it a tougher call. In the last year, I've pulled Marc Bulger, Troy Tulowitzki and Victor Martinez after they were injured and cut in one league and I think I made the right call in each one. Last year I believe we only pulled Ryan Braun in one league and didn't need to pull another player from the NFBC (if I recall correctly).
This year is a bit tougher, but in the case of Wilson I believe he deserves to remain in NY3 and allow that league to play out. I've looked that league over very closely and contrary to what others believe, I do take the league situation into my decision and for now I believe this league can play out as is. I reserve the right to intervene if more closers are cut in this league, there's no doubt that one owner's good fortune in landing so many closers has made it tougher for other owners to secure saves and now the tipping scale is going the other way for all involved. Let the best team win.
I do want to cite one example that taught me an important lesson: Last year we allowed Donovan McNabb to be cut and remain in an NFFC league free agent pool. Many people said we were crazy and I've even kept some of those e-mails. Well, the team that picked him up started him one week when he did terrible and that move prevented him from reaching the Championship Round and win $5,000 in his league. He went on to have the best playoff team and would have won $100,000 if we had prevented him from getting McNabb. Sometimes you have to let these things play out and not everything works as expected.
Wilson leads the NL in saves. I realize that. This is a tough call on a one category guy. But I'm making the tough decision and allowing him to remain in this league and I'll make the next tough calls as I see fit. Good luck all.
Greg will make the decision based on what is best. He bears the responsibility and I do not envy it.
Just for my two cents (and we all know what two cents are worth), this one is a no-brainer. Wilson should stay in for no other reason than to pull a player should be exercised in extreme cases only. We all know how to play the game, we all know each league is different, and we all know players who will actually help you may be chump change to someone else.
I would prefer Greg (and Tom and team) let the leagues play, to be the saftey valve in extreme circumstances, and not be forced to be a nursemaid (I do not like nursemaids with mustaches and beer-breath
).Just thoughts. Good luck. I just want to point out that history shows that we have tried to let the individual leagues play out as much as possible and we've probably left players in leagues where folks have petitioned to have them pulled out. And we've seen how our decisions have allowed the leagues to play out on their own while still maintaining balance in the overall contest.
That being said, I've been more proactive when it comes to injured players who are cut in only one league because the unknown factor makes it a tougher call. In the last year, I've pulled Marc Bulger, Troy Tulowitzki and Victor Martinez after they were injured and cut in one league and I think I made the right call in each one. Last year I believe we only pulled Ryan Braun in one league and didn't need to pull another player from the NFBC (if I recall correctly).
This year is a bit tougher, but in the case of Wilson I believe he deserves to remain in NY3 and allow that league to play out. I've looked that league over very closely and contrary to what others believe, I do take the league situation into my decision and for now I believe this league can play out as is. I reserve the right to intervene if more closers are cut in this league, there's no doubt that one owner's good fortune in landing so many closers has made it tougher for other owners to secure saves and now the tipping scale is going the other way for all involved. Let the best team win.
I do want to cite one example that taught me an important lesson: Last year we allowed Donovan McNabb to be cut and remain in an NFFC league free agent pool. Many people said we were crazy and I've even kept some of those e-mails. Well, the team that picked him up started him one week when he did terrible and that move prevented him from reaching the Championship Round and win $5,000 in his league. He went on to have the best playoff team and would have won $100,000 if we had prevented him from getting McNabb. Sometimes you have to let these things play out and not everything works as expected.
Wilson leads the NL in saves. I realize that. This is a tough call on a one category guy. But I'm making the tough decision and allowing him to remain in this league and I'll make the next tough calls as I see fit. Good luck all.
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I sent Greg an email with my thoughts but wanted to share them here.
This to me is a simple question is Brian Wilson good enough to be allowed in to the pool in ANY main event league at this point in the season? Assuming no fears of collusion which I think is certainly out of play here.To me that is a tough call and he gets paid to make that decision.
Looking at how much FAAB is left in that league is wrong and should not be considered. This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. If Greg determines Wilson is not valuable enough and gets left in. May the best man get him. Taking how Brian Wilson or any players affects any one team in particular in this contest is a slippery slope and just not right. If left in the doubters of the world think he is for Mark. If taken out the doubters say he is against him. Keep it simple and about Brian Wilson- is Wilson good enough to stay or not? That is a decision I do not envy. For the love of Jack Cust I would hope that everyone involved realizes this is a very close call and supports the decision no matter what. And I do appreciate the e-mails that everyone has sent me on this subject. There's a lot of good points here and right now I'd say it's 60-40 that people feel I should keep Wilson in this league's free agent pool. All of the e-mails have made good points and each one seems to end with "I don't envy you in this decision." Thanks.
I am going to say that I will continue to look at each player and each league situation to make my decision. Sorry, I feel that is important. As we get closer to the finish line, it becomes easier to allow one-category wonders to stay in the free agent pool. But over 12 weeks, I have some tougher calls to make.
Next week will present new decisions, I'm sure. But so far we've left the closers in leagues and we'll see what next week brings in each individual league.
I sent Greg an email with my thoughts but wanted to share them here.
This to me is a simple question is Brian Wilson good enough to be allowed in to the pool in ANY main event league at this point in the season? Assuming no fears of collusion which I think is certainly out of play here.To me that is a tough call and he gets paid to make that decision.
Looking at how much FAAB is left in that league is wrong and should not be considered. This is not about one team and their shot at 100k. If Greg determines Wilson is not valuable enough and gets left in. May the best man get him. Taking how Brian Wilson or any players affects any one team in particular in this contest is a slippery slope and just not right. If left in the doubters of the world think he is for Mark. If taken out the doubters say he is against him. Keep it simple and about Brian Wilson- is Wilson good enough to stay or not? That is a decision I do not envy. For the love of Jack Cust I would hope that everyone involved realizes this is a very close call and supports the decision no matter what. And I do appreciate the e-mails that everyone has sent me on this subject. There's a lot of good points here and right now I'd say it's 60-40 that people feel I should keep Wilson in this league's free agent pool. All of the e-mails have made good points and each one seems to end with "I don't envy you in this decision." Thanks.
I am going to say that I will continue to look at each player and each league situation to make my decision. Sorry, I feel that is important. As we get closer to the finish line, it becomes easier to allow one-category wonders to stay in the free agent pool. But over 12 weeks, I have some tougher calls to make.
Next week will present new decisions, I'm sure. But so far we've left the closers in leagues and we'll see what next week brings in each individual league.
Greg Ambrosius
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General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
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Brian Wilson Dropped NY3
Some thoughts via e-mail that I'll share to all of you:
"A secure and established closer leading his league in saves is certainly more valuable than an underachieving catcher who is out for 2 months, is he not? If Victor Martinez was pulled, so should Brian Wilson be."
"If you remove him, then THE LEAGUE IS DEPRIVED OF THE SAVES HE WOULD GENERATE AND IS THEREFORE OPERATING AT A DISADVANTAGE IN THE OVERALL COMPETITION RELATIVE TO ALL OTHER LEAGUES. The league in question cannot generate the same number of saves as every other league in the competition.
The chips should fall where they may."
These are just two differing views, but most of the e-mails are similar to these. I appreciate both sides of this and will do my best to rule correctly here and going forward. Thanks again for everyone taking the time to reach out to me and I hope nobody is mad that I posted their thoughts here.
"A secure and established closer leading his league in saves is certainly more valuable than an underachieving catcher who is out for 2 months, is he not? If Victor Martinez was pulled, so should Brian Wilson be."
"If you remove him, then THE LEAGUE IS DEPRIVED OF THE SAVES HE WOULD GENERATE AND IS THEREFORE OPERATING AT A DISADVANTAGE IN THE OVERALL COMPETITION RELATIVE TO ALL OTHER LEAGUES. The league in question cannot generate the same number of saves as every other league in the competition.
The chips should fall where they may."
These are just two differing views, but most of the e-mails are similar to these. I appreciate both sides of this and will do my best to rule correctly here and going forward. Thanks again for everyone taking the time to reach out to me and I hope nobody is mad that I posted their thoughts here.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Brian Wilson Dropped NY3
VMart shouldn't have been pulled, he wasn't even performing like a #1 catcher and he is out for an extended time. However, that doesn't mean the same mistake should be made with Wilson. Even Tulo has proven himself not worthy of being pulled.
If the past, very few players were pulled. It seems the level of complaining gets higher each year and that is having some effect, unfortunately. McLouth was a healthy stud. He is the only guy that IMO has risen to the standard of damaging the lge if left in.
If the past, very few players were pulled. It seems the level of complaining gets higher each year and that is having some effect, unfortunately. McLouth was a healthy stud. He is the only guy that IMO has risen to the standard of damaging the lge if left in.
Brian Wilson Dropped NY3
Originally posted by gsjanoff:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by gsjanoff:
It is most likely an accurate statement, but one that truly does not reflect his overall value in the game.
what??? his value is ONE category. ONE out of five. [/QUOTE]Whatever # of saves he gets the rest of the year even if it is one category, should far outweigh the negative value from WHIP or ERA or both, when factoring in the total # of innings pitched by your average staff in this game.
15 saves just in league standings alone could net you 6 or 7 points in most leagues.
It would seem very unreasonable to assume you could lose that many points in WHIP/ERA in a likely maximum of 25 innings pitched.
The gain nationally could be even more vast, and that is why this should not even be up for debate in my opinion.
He should be pulled from the free agent pool. [/QUOTE]Signed
Joe Borowski
just havin some fun
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by gsjanoff:
It is most likely an accurate statement, but one that truly does not reflect his overall value in the game.
what??? his value is ONE category. ONE out of five. [/QUOTE]Whatever # of saves he gets the rest of the year even if it is one category, should far outweigh the negative value from WHIP or ERA or both, when factoring in the total # of innings pitched by your average staff in this game.
15 saves just in league standings alone could net you 6 or 7 points in most leagues.
It would seem very unreasonable to assume you could lose that many points in WHIP/ERA in a likely maximum of 25 innings pitched.
The gain nationally could be even more vast, and that is why this should not even be up for debate in my opinion.
He should be pulled from the free agent pool. [/QUOTE]Signed
Joe Borowski
just havin some fun
Brian Wilson Dropped NY3
"If you remove him, then THE LEAGUE IS DEPRIVED OF THE SAVES HE WOULD GENERATE AND IS THEREFORE OPERATING AT A DISADVANTAGE IN THE OVERALL COMPETITION RELATIVE TO ALL OTHER LEAGUES. The league in question cannot generate the same number of saves as every other league in the competition.
The chips should fall where they may."I am late to the party, but this was what I thought while reading the entire thread, especially after finding out the dropper has *5* closers. That team controls roughly 1/6 of all saves in the league making the rest of the league inordinately at a *disadvantage* in the overall as they stand now. Putting Wilson back in the pool makes the league stronger relative to where they were but not stronger than the other leagues, at least not in saves and that is what we're discussing here.
BTW, I expect Gekko to make his standard aggressive bid of $3 on this guy.
The chips should fall where they may."I am late to the party, but this was what I thought while reading the entire thread, especially after finding out the dropper has *5* closers. That team controls roughly 1/6 of all saves in the league making the rest of the league inordinately at a *disadvantage* in the overall as they stand now. Putting Wilson back in the pool makes the league stronger relative to where they were but not stronger than the other leagues, at least not in saves and that is what we're discussing here.
BTW, I expect Gekko to make his standard aggressive bid of $3 on this guy.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Brian Wilson Dropped NY3
I dont like seeing players taken out of the pool unless he's a star.I dont think this was a difficult
one and agree with KJ Duke that McClouth was the only player who should have been taken out by his performance not what he has done in the past , like Martinez.Hopefully we dont have to play this game every week but if 40 percent really thinkWilson should have been pulled then the game will continue.
one and agree with KJ Duke that McClouth was the only player who should have been taken out by his performance not what he has done in the past , like Martinez.Hopefully we dont have to play this game every week but if 40 percent really thinkWilson should have been pulled then the game will continue.
EDWARD J GILLIS
Brian Wilson Dropped NY3
Originally posted by bjoak:
I am late to the party, Did they forget the toast again?
I am late to the party, Did they forget the toast again?
Brian Wilson Dropped NY3
Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
I am late to the party, Did they forget the toast again? [/QUOTE]You need to work on finding better parties. What do they drink at your parties, Kool-Aid?
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
I am late to the party, Did they forget the toast again?
[/QUOTE]You need to work on finding better parties. What do they drink at your parties, Kool-Aid?Chance favors the prepared mind.