Do You Want To Watch A Draft Tonight?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:32 pm

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

Ask Todd after he's done with both his auctions and drafts on March 20-22 which format is more challenging. If he is being honest, he will tell you auction. That being said, most of his existing or potential client base is more than likely draft oriented so I don't blame him for defending the draft format. I'm not so sure about that anymore.

In an auction...you have less stress of decision making...you simply decide if you are willing to bend your money goals due to how the auction has evolved. If you fail to win a player...you can overbid on a similar player later. It is ALWAYS your turn.

In a snake draft...each failure you have has more impact, and is harder to correct.

~Lance

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:37 pm

Both are good. Both are tough. Just depends which you like better.

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:50 pm

john crane-you are being politically correct-sound like a good guy

Less stress in an auction? Pleeese! Either the person who wrote that doesn't compete in auctions or the auctions were full of inept players.

Way more luck in drafts-much less preparation needed-15 team mixed? can my starters beat your starters? You want to play real rotisserie-play a AL or NL only auction.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:50 pm

Ask Todd after he's done with both his auctions and drafts on March 20-22 which format is more challenging. If he is being honest, he will tell you auction. That being said, most of his existing or potential client base is more than likely draft oriented so I don't blame him for defending the draft format. I really did not want to have this turn into an auction versus draft thread or luck versus skill or expert versus non-expert.

And I also did not "defend" the draft format. All I did was point out its difficulty is under-estimated by those not as experienced in the format.

That said, you don't have to wait until March, I have been doing both formats for about 20 years now. They are both equally challenging for different reasons, and that is the honest truth.

[ January 19, 2009, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:56 pm

do not believe you-I will ask you again when I see you on March 20th.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:02 pm

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

john crane-you are being politically correct-sound like a good guy

Less stress in an auction? Pleeese! Either the person who wrote that doesn't compete in auctions or the auctions were full of inept players.

Way more luck in drafts-much less preparation needed-15 team mixed? can my starters beat your starters? You want to play real rotisserie-play a AL or NL only auction. Simple math would say you are way off base.

Say there are 100,000 talented fantasy baseball players.

92,000 play snake, and 8,000 play auction.

Are you trying to tell me that the 8,000 who play auction are simply better, because they don't have to face the other 92,000?

I'd say you can learn auction faster than you can learn snake. I just think most are pressed for time, and don't want to spend 6-8 hours in an draft they can crank out in 2 or 3 hours.

What about auction is so complex?

A player is called out...and you bid.

You don't get that player...and you highlight the similar players you need.

You keep track of the money and rosters of your opponents.

In a snake...it's your turn...you select a player.

You need to see to do the same thing like auction...see what your opponents have and what they need...and predict them to a degree.

The thing that makes it tougher is that when it's your turn...sure nobody can out bid you for the player you select...but you could have as many as 28 picks selected that you could not bid on before it's your turn again.

I think if everyone played both auction and snake...they would say snake is harder.

~Lance

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:07 pm

I would love to have an opponent like you in an auction-most people don't have what it takes to succeed at auctions-this is why the draft is so popular. More challenging? Keep dreaming

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:12 pm

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

I would love to have an opponent like you in an auction-most people don't have what it takes to succeed at auctions-this is why the draft is so popular. More challenging? Keep dreaming So I take it, your Sam Botnick.

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:14 pm

observant and correct

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:15 pm

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

observant and correct Would you say you are the favorite in the auctions?

Will you play in the main event?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:17 pm

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

I would love to have an opponent like you in an auction-most people don't have what it takes to succeed at auctions-this is why the draft is so popular. More challenging? Keep dreaming I laugh at you.

I think you auction types are tooting your own horns...trying to lure the snake folks in via "it's tougher", because the turnouts are so poor. Your auction format has been lagging behind the snake draft for 25 years...and has not improved its popularity. To keep tooting (it's way harder)...is just bait.

It is not any harder...it is just more lonely and less prestigious.

It simply is not tougher. The more snake players ventured into your "realm"...the more they'd see it's not harder...just more time consuming. You wish to play the "hard" card...but most just don't bite.

Explain in detail why an auction is harder than a snake draft...and I'll listen.

~Lance

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:29 pm

lonely? That sounds like something a used car salesman would say. I have competed in both drafts and auctions and I prefer the auctions for reasons I have stated. I much prefer debating in person than on the internet, so if our paths cross, then I would be happy to explain my position in detail. Otherwise, good luck in your future drafts. Are you competing in the main event?

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:33 pm

Shawn-that comment was laced with just a little sarcasm-the internet calls you the world's greatest fantasy player. I am the nobody in the group-no I am not playing in the main event-I teach that day-maybe next year.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:43 pm

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

Shawn-that comment was laced with just a little sarcasm-the internet calls you the world's greatest fantasy player. I am the nobody in the group-no I am not playing in the main event-I teach that day-maybe next year. I wish it were true, but there are many talented players here. I've won a few and lost a few more. I've really haven't won anything until I win a major title. With the competition here, it may never happen. If I win enough to keep coming back every year, I'll be happy just throwing my hat in the ring.

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:54 pm

modest-I'm impressed. Looking forward to a competitive day March 20th-gl in your satellite-I believe mine starts tommorrow.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:59 pm

If Ron Shandler entered the NFBC...I'd soooo suspect his team was run by another successful NFBC person. He's had 5 plus years to throw his hat in the mix.

Entertainment is the name of their game...that says a mouthfull IMO.

Entertainment is A.K.A BS.

~Lance

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:26 pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

[QB] Here's your chance. I'll be taking part in a 12-team, 23-round draft tonight on Mock Draft Central.com. This is a "live" draft where people can follow the draft as it happens. I believe you'll be able to ask questions as well. So if you want to check out a draft tonight, this is you chance.

Tom, you did a great job drafting. I'm especially impressed with Round 10 and above. You sure have done your homework. Pretty early on Wieters, you must really like him. Overall a very nice draft. Scherzer in Round 16, Dukes in 18th, Maine in 19th, great, great picks IMO. Jobe well done.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:29 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

If Ron Shandler entered the NFBC...I'd soooo suspect his team was run by another successful NFBC person. He's had 5 plus years to throw his hat in the mix.

Entertainment is the name of their game...that says a mouthfull IMO.

Entertainment is A.K.A BS.

~Lance Would be a great story if he disguised himself for the Main Event and ended up winning the $100,000. And then gave up his identity. Maybe one day, there might be a movie made about him.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:45 am

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

do not believe you-I will ask you again when I see you on March 20th. And my answer will be the same. You may DISAGREE with me, but trust me, my opinion is drafts and auctions are equally challenging for different reasons.

I think the specific aspect of drafts that are overlooked is that drafting is so much more than generating a list of players by how you rank them and taking one off the top. It is more than incorporating scarcity and balancing speed versus power, hitting versus pitching and strikeouts versus ratios wersus saves. The key is knowing exactly who to take at a particular pick or even when to sacrifice value relative to that particular pick to set you up to draft profit relative to a future pick. This is the way you build profit into your draft. The catch is each and every draft is different, so you cannot come into your draft planning on exactly how you are going to do this. As such, you need to be able to first recognize and second adapt/react to every possible situation -- which is what separates drafts from auctions. Your ability to adapt/react to every situation is restricted in a draft as you do not have equal access to every single player, which means you have to know every single player INSIDE AND OUT in order to know how to adapt/react.

if you strictly stick to your rankings, you miss opportunities to get a lot of those same players later and supplement your roster with better surrounding players.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

[ January 20, 2009, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:07 am

I'm glad you guys spared me your wrath.

I thought the draft went pretty well for the most part. I agree I might have taken Kendrick a round or two early but I think 2B is such a horrible position this year that I want to make sure I get one I like. Kendrick is someone I like and the talent was pretty much gone after him at that point so I pounced.

Wieters was another example of there being little at the position left that excited me and he's someone I do like so I grabbed him.

I was very happy with the late-round upside pitchers I got such as Scherzer, Maine and Kuroda. I'm a huge Maine fan and I think he's a prime candidate to bounce back.

For what it's worth, MDC's season projections have me finishing second in the league behind Jason Pliml. They don't like Street as a closer so that's the one category they project me to do poorly in. Since that's the easiest one to address during the season that wouldn't worry me if this was a live league.

[ January 20, 2009, 08:08 AM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]

Dak · Post by **Dak** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:33 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by GYOZTES:

I would love to have an opponent like you in an auction-most people don't have what it takes to succeed at auctions-this is why the draft is so popular. More challenging? Keep dreaming So I take it, your Sam Botnick. [/QUOTE]What the hell is a Sam Botnick????? Listed in the winners page anywhere??