Top 20 teams Where_they_draft_from?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:12 am

Interesting. Just don't forget how little it takes, statistics-wise or percentage-wise, to differentiate between a top team and a bottom feeder (like myself

).

For example, after fourteen weeks, if I had averaged a little less than four runs, less than three hits, two homeruns, four RBI, and one/half SB more each week, I would have 80% of Main available points and have a top thirty offense. The difference in all those categories is (in my case, except HR) is only 3% to 10%. As it is, I have a Top 270 offense.

[ July 13, 2009, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:49 am

There is a LOOOOONG way to go...but to say that after having passed the 1/2 way point (we aren't talking after the first or second month here) having FOUR teams from one league in the top 20 overall is "normal" seems off.

Interesting to ponder at the very least.

I can almost guarantee Gekko goes to CHITOWN in 2010.

Focusing on the "best" teams in CHI is not the idea here...it's focusing on the worst in CHI.

If, after researching, it is determined that the ratio of bad players (like myself) is high in CHI...that would motivate a good player (like _______) to actually consider going there and hoping for a good league draw. The odds would make such a gamble pay off every couple years.

BUT...

Winning back to back leagues in NY is nothing to sneeze at, and should you draw a CHI league with the better CHI players...it could backfire.

[ July 13, 2009, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:04 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Orrrr... we could look at this another way.

There are two players in NY 6 who are in the top 50. Everybody else is 100-300.

Two good players in your league and 13 mediocre players. Two good players in NY 6 guaranteed money, while Chicago 4 has someone that will finish with no money. I'd rather be a good player in NY 6.Of course, this all isn't true. To generalize the 13 players in NY 6 and call them mediocre, merely because they sit at 100-300 at the all star break is silly. But anyone can play with numbers and declare one league better or worse than another. mediocre teams are far tougher to compete against than poor teams. put a shark in a team with 4, 5 or 6 very bad teams and the shark's % to place very high improves quite a bit.

put a shark in a team with 0,1 or 2 very bad teams, and the % isn't as good.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:06 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I can almost guarantee Gekko goes to CHITOWN in 2010.

let's see what the final numbers say.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:10 am

the AVERAGE "skill" of fantasy baseball owners by city according to GG:

NY 6 stars out of 10

Florida 5.5 stars out of 10

Vegas 5 stars out of 10

Online 4 stars out of 10

Chicago 4 stars out of 10

that doesn't mean EVERYONE falls into that grouping. there are some GREAT owners in every city. so don't take it personal

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:36 am

While looking at the overall....

The top two teams are from Vegas, the bottom two teams are from New York...ergo Las Vegas is best, everyone else is in between and New York is worst

Teams 14, 15, and 16 are

Roto Pimp

Ass cancer

Heads

There's a movie for Cassavetes in there somewhere!

Three different leagues have two teams in the top nine.

If anyone has played reverse fantasy baseball, IGAWA DO IT is playing well with just 154 points. More than three times less points than #389.

Only 22 of the top 100 have last names that end in vowels, while a whopping 40 are in the 300's....Mark Srebros next year?

Some team names that may need changed-(Just pokin' fun, don't take it personal)

388. Yahtzee

378. Brooklyn's Best

Some team names that fit-

384. cm wang screwed me

382. No idea what

377. IT IS WHAT IT IS

350. Ya GOTTA Believe

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:48 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Four teams in the bottom 51.

Two in the bottom 11.

Is this data? I don't know.

It could happen to any league, anywhere.

For all I know it could be four good players who have made bad decisions, had injuries, who knows? Exactly. There are too many things as doughboys mentions above that occur AFTER the start of the season that can cause one league, in this case Chicago 4, to have powerhouse teams at the top and super-poor teams at the bottom.

If gekko or someone else could tell me which leagues would be the "Chicago 4"s of the world after the main event draft and before the start of the season, then I'd love to hear it. otherwise, hindsight is 20/20 here at the midway point and there will be leagues every year that will be less balanced than other leagues for any number of reasons.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:00 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

Out of curiosity I checked the bottom teams out in that league. Nothing led me to believe they were tanking or anything. They generally have good players having down years and/or a rash of injuries. It happens.

Kudos to the 4 doing very well in that league. I randomly picked one of the 4 bottom teams and injuries plus underachieving players on this team run rampant, which of course is not surprising.

J Hamilton

C Quentin

J Votto

C Gomez

Nolasco

E Volquez

Valverde

When your 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th rd picks miss significant time due to injuries, and your 10th and 12th picks underachieve (nolasco, gomez), sometimes it's not that hard to figure out why the results are so bad. Any teams in NY6 that lost their 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th rd picks for significant time??

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:08 pm

After taking a cursory scan of the other 3 bottom teams in Chicago 4, it looks like underachieving players coupled with injuries, but again, going back to March nothing that would have jumped out at me and made me think any of those teams had a poor draft. As for in-season management of roster and faab, I didn't look at that.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:30 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If anyone has played reverse fantasy baseball, IGAWA DO IT is playing well with just 154 points. More than three times less points than #389.Has anyone here played reverse fantasy or DudBall?

A kick in the pants.

Snord35 · Post by **Snord35** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:11 am

I'm in Chi 4, and sit in 11th in our league and 300th overall here at the All-Star break. Our league is good, and our team is not doing well this year with injury's and poor seasons. Our pitching has been just ugly. After the draft I felt we had a good draft with lots of upside. I felt as good as I did after the drafts where I finished 15th and 65th overall. The only drafts I walked away from with a smile on my face knowing I had a good team.

Most most drafts players pan out for me and I find myself at the top of the league. This year my projections for pitching was way off! Papelbon is the only guy we drafted that is doing well. The rest of our staff was Wood, Kazmir, Slowey, Wang, Para, Morrow, Hanson, Marshall, Gallager. Every year I have been able to get 2-4 solid pitchers after round 12 but this year nothing other than Hanson who the book is still out on.

Bats started out great starting with Braun, Upton, and Morneau. Wanted Kemp or Crawford in the 2nd but got stuck with Upton who fit the light power good speed player we planed to build a team around. Got guys who did not pan out in C. Davis and S. Drew, along with Aviles, Crisp and Dukes. Ibanez and Slowey were the only soild picks for us from rounds 6-19. Thank god for late round picks Hudson, A. Cabrera, and Rolen.

Will our team win this year no, will we still fight it out and get our overall back up around 150 I plan on it. This year has killed my lifetime ranking. Last year dropped me from 66th to 98th and now I sit at 176th. So it's not like this league if full of crap managers. Put me in NY or Vegas and we would have drafted a team close to the one we got.

Chicago has always been a great place to draft. People know there stuff in Chicago and if anyone is coming thinking they will have it easy will be sorry. A lot of league champs from prior years find themselves in the bottom half of their league the next year. Some say the cream always rises to the top, but in Chicago we have too many chiefs a not enough indians.

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:25 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

i think chicago is getting screwed. that team in 20th will win zero- repeat - zero $. meanwhile ny 6 with 15 average teams in their zero sum average game will have 3 teams win $. chicago is getting screwed big time. Mike! That's me! Cmon now man... how am I doomed to win nothing already?? I was 2nd in the league like 3 weeks ago... or did you just mean that whoever finishes 4th out of the 4 of us gets nothing? Yeah, I don't know what to say about this league.. all I know is I would have much rather been in a different league where there wasn't a monster closer run that screwed me...

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:38 am

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

i think chicago is getting screwed. that team in 20th will win zero- repeat - zero $. meanwhile ny 6 with 15 average teams in their zero sum average game will have 3 teams win $. chicago is getting screwed big time. Mike! That's me! Cmon now man... how am I doomed to win nothing already?? I was 2nd in the league like 3 weeks ago... or did you just mean that whoever finishes 4th out of the 4 of us gets nothing? Yeah, I don't know what to say about this league.. all I know is I would have much rather been in a different league where there wasn't a monster closer run that screwed me... [/QUOTE]Dave,

You are right, there was a crazy closer run during our draft. 12 closers taken during a 24 pick run. 11 of the 12 were taken prior to their ADP. That being said, you had two picks during that run and passed on a closer each time.

I know that the lack of saves is hurting you in the overall, but I think it could be fairly said that the closer run helped you in other areas because you got players (Nelson Cruz pick#124, ADP 113) you might not have otherwise obtained.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:04 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If anyone has played reverse fantasy baseball, IGAWA DO IT is playing well with just 154 points. More than three times less points than #389.Has anyone here played reverse fantasy or DudBall?

A kick in the pants. [/QUOTE]I'll take that as a no.

Dudball is played the opposite of fantasy baseball. I have never played it in a 15 team format, only 10-12.

The object of the game is to have the worst statistics in your league. A draft is held, like any other fantasy draft. There are 10 categories, only sb's are replaced with at bats, saves are replaced by innings pitched. This is done because sb's and saves are easy to avoid and also gives players the incentive to truly "play" players instead of drafting all bench warmers.

Jason Kendall and Adam Everett (most seasons)are two of the superstars in this game, while faab is usually reserved for unassuming rookies getting first starts vs. the Yankees or Red Sox. Yes, matchups work the opposite also, San Diego hitters are valuable.

We play it locally, I find it really extends knowledge to the bench's of some clubs and even less known minor leaguers.

You know your current fantasy teams are not doing well when you reach out for a Dudball player on FAAB day.

At the end of the season you'd want the most innings pitched and most at bats, while having the least in all other categories. The winner has the best losers.

[ July 14, 2009, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:17 pm

By the way, Tony Pena is an absolute superstar. He is batting .098, with 0 hr's, 2rbi, and 3 runs scored. And KC keeps him on that roster for reasons only KC knows.

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:37 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by Less than Dave:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

i think chicago is getting screwed. that team in 20th will win zero- repeat - zero $. meanwhile ny 6 with 15 average teams in their zero sum average game will have 3 teams win $. chicago is getting screwed big time. Mike! That's me! Cmon now man... how am I doomed to win nothing already?? I was 2nd in the league like 3 weeks ago... or did you just mean that whoever finishes 4th out of the 4 of us gets nothing? Yeah, I don't know what to say about this league.. all I know is I would have much rather been in a different league where there wasn't a monster closer run that screwed me... [/QUOTE]Dave,

You are right, there was a crazy closer run during our draft. 12 closers taken during a 24 pick run. 11 of the 12 were taken prior to their ADP. That being said, you had two picks during that run and passed on a closer each time.

I know that the lack of saves is hurting you in the overall, but I think it could be fairly said that the closer run helped you in other areas because you got players (Nelson Cruz pick#124, ADP 113) you might not have otherwise obtained. [/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you're looking at, but the closer run started after my 9th round pick (Cruz).. by the time my 10th round pick came up, Hanrahan was the top rated closer left on the board... Francisco, Gonzalez, Wilson, Cordero, Hoffman, Lindstrom, and Qualls all went between my picks and all ahead of their ADPs I believe... some people were drafting their 3rd closers.. what can I do? I guess you're saying the run started with BJ Ryan and Matt Capps where I took Harden in the 8th but I hardly think I should see 2 closers go with 12 still left on the board and feel the need to hurry up and grab one there... I mean, lesson learned... I will be taking ONE closer at least earlier than I did this time.. honestly, if I hadn't dropped Franklin the week that he randomly fell into the closer's role I'd be fine (and Pugs wouldn't be doing quite as well haha) but I dropped him and screwed myself... still, I'd rather have a closer than Cruz because my offense is fine, my saves are not.