ADP - SIXTH Round

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:45 am

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

Butler could hit .320 with 35 HRs and likely still not get 100 Runs or RBI... that's how bad his team is... and what if he DOESN'T perform like that? I'll pass... at least that early. can someone post cuddyear's stats vs butler's. cuddyer is going in the 9th round and has 1b/OF eligibility

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:02 am

I like both Butler and Loney going into the year, but for me it's an apples and oranges comparison. Butler's current ADP is 6th rd., whereas Loney's is 13th. I define the top ten rounds as 'cornerstone'. These are 'theoretically' the rounds with the greatest statistical reliability and from where you build your team outwards. Eleven through twenty are what I call the 'pieces to the puzzle' rounds and obviously your decisions there are directed by what you did in the first ten. That being said, for me it begs the question as to whether Butler brings more potential value/certainty as a cornerstone player than Loney does as a 'piece to the puzzle'? I might take either, neither, or both. If I take both though I sure would like to have A-rod or Longoria at 3B as I head into the 'thrift shopping' rounds

The Good Doctor · Post by **The Good Doctor** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:17 am

A relevant point to consider is that Loney is likely to be filling a CI position whereas Butler will be someone's 1B. Am I happen with Loney as my 1B? No. Am I happy with him as a CI? I think I could do a lot worse than a consistent performer. It would also dependent on how much power I got early in the draft. Depending on how your team is shaping up during the draft, Loney might be fine. If I took Carlos Pena or Adam Dunn, Loney would be a good complement.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:28 pm

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

Butler could hit .320 with 35 HRs and likely still not get 100 Runs or RBI... that's how bad his team is... and what if he DOESN'T perform like that? I'll pass... at least that early. A Gonzalez last yr: 40 HR, 99 rbi.

pinstripepower · Post by **pinstripepower** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:19 pm

I HAVE HOWARD, REYNOLDS, AND BUTLER AS MY CI DRAFTED 6TH ROUND. THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS FOR THE FIRST 6 ROUNDS GRIENKE, GRANDERSON, AND CAIN. NOT TO SHABBY HUH?

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:04 pm

Originally posted by pinstripepower:

I HAVE HOWARD, REYNOLDS, AND BUTLER AS MY CI DRAFTED 6TH ROUND. THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS FOR THE FIRST 6 ROUNDS GRIENKE, GRANDERSON, AND CAIN. NOT TO SHABBY HUH? No one cares about your team, that is 6 rounds into a February draft

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:21 pm

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by pinstripepower:

I HAVE HOWARD, REYNOLDS, AND BUTLER AS MY CI DRAFTED 6TH ROUND. THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS FOR THE FIRST 6 ROUNDS GRIENKE, GRANDERSON, AND CAIN. NOT TO SHABBY HUH? No one cares about your team, that is 6 rounds into a February draft [/QUOTE]

This brings home a major fact.

We ALL (think) we know which players are studs, duds, and complementary...yet there are the same few folks who cash more years than not, and many many many more who cash less years than so.

I was told by a smart man (John Zaleski) a couple years ago, to mesh minds with the winners and see if it could help.

Great advice.

The Franchise · Post by **The Franchise** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:34 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by pinstripepower:

I HAVE HOWARD, REYNOLDS, AND BUTLER AS MY CI DRAFTED 6TH ROUND. THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS FOR THE FIRST 6 ROUNDS GRIENKE, GRANDERSON, AND CAIN. NOT TO SHABBY HUH? No one cares about your team, that is 6 rounds into a February draft [/QUOTE]

This brings home a major fact.

We ALL (think) we know which players are studs, duds, and complementary...yet there are the same few folks who cash more years than not, and many many many more who cash less years than so.

I was told by a smart man (John Zaleski) a couple years ago, to mesh minds with the winners and see if it could help.

Great advice. [/QUOTE]That is a great point..............

and that is why I have Shawn's phone number on speed dial.

I recommend visiting the Baseball Mafia website for any new guy who wants to understand how a great Fantasy Baseball mind thinks. Read all the articles, take notes and then start to put your own thoughts/strategy together and integrate what ever you found useful. At the end of the day you can't copy someone else's thoughts or strategy or you will fail come Draft time. You need to have your own "Game Plan", but it definitely helps your "Game Plan" evolve by talking with and reading how the successful players think like.

Example: If you want to become a successful investor/entrepreneur. You get a book written by someone like Robert Kiyosaki................ You don't go and call the 1-900 number to talk to the guy on the infomercial who says he can make you rich by next week?

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:24 am

mark, in this 6th round evaluation you say beckett is undervalued compared to the "injury risk peavy" and go on to say that beckett is more of a 5th round pick. in november in the "money winners" draft you drafted PEAVY in the 5th round with beckett on the board (that drafts 1st 10 rounds are posted for all to see). what does this mean? did you realize between november and now that beckett is a good pitcher? or peavy went from san diego to chicago? that peavy is injury prone? or are you full of b.s. i really enjoy the posts. if they are for fun - god bless. if you actually take your self seriously- with this b.s.you should run for governor of penn.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:14 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

mark, in this 6th round evaluation you say beckett is undervalued compared to the "injury risk peavy" and go on to say that beckett is more of a 5th round pick. in november in the "money winners" draft you drafted PEAVY in the 5th round with beckett on the board (that drafts 1st 10 rounds are posted for all to see). what does this mean? did you realize between november and now that beckett is a good pitcher? or peavy went from san diego to chicago? that peavy is injury prone? or are you full of b.s. i really enjoy the posts. if they are for fun - god bless. if you actually take your self seriously- with this b.s.you should run for governor of penn. head - when i did the mock in NOVEMBER i had not run any pitcher projections. since that point I have. in addition, i was a major beckett owner last year and i felt that he let me down. with that of course comes an initial bias to not own him (just like with billingsley).

peavy - injury risk with big upside.

beckett - consistent performer at high level. (even if he let me down the 2nd half of last year)

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:49 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

quote:Originally posted by pinstripepower:

I HAVE HOWARD, REYNOLDS, AND BUTLER AS MY CI DRAFTED 6TH ROUND. THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS FOR THE FIRST 6 ROUNDS GRIENKE, GRANDERSON, AND CAIN. NOT TO SHABBY HUH? No one cares about your team, that is 6 rounds into a February draft [/QUOTE]Well he cares - even if no one else might!

He does however tell us that he believed Butler made sense in the 6th rd - which might have me rethinking my position

Just kidding!

We were talking 6th rd here - so probably not the best place for this question.

But since you asked - so-so for me. Three of your bats brings minus BA to the table - not what I want from my first three hitters. One - fine, two maybe but not three. And I guess you took Cain in the 5th (which was probably at least a round to soon) and while it can be viable to grab two Stud SP's early - I don't think Cain brings quite enough to the table to make it work. W's will still be a concern and he doesn't bring the dominance (K's) that I would want if I were going to try this approach.

Hey pinstripe - piece of friendly advice - lose the ALL CAPS - it's disconcerting and not the norm here. You'll get better responses without them.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:52 am

mark- honestly i love the stuff you put up- but with that response you really should run for gov. no way a player as good as you forgets those things and then turns it all around in 2 months. hey, i will buy it if you are selling it.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:53 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

mark- honestly i love the stuff you put up- but with that response you really should run for gov. no way a player as good as you forgets those things and then turns it all around in 2 months. hey, i will buy it if you are selling it. the only thing i can tell you is DO NOT USE A NOVEMBER MOCK DRAFT TO BASE YOUR MARCH DECISIONS ON!

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