FANBALL Mock Draft.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:19 am

It took me 5 minutes to know this is a piece of **** ! Come on your kidding me!

When is the real improvements due???

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:21 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

When is the real improvements due??? Indeed

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:33 am

So many things have been found by players that escaped testers.

Can we PLEASE see the faab so that we can find the flaws there as well, as soon as possible?

[ March 05, 2010, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:39 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

So many things have been found by players that escaped testers.

Can we PLEASE see the faab so that we can find the flaws there as well, as soon as possible? Was thinking the same thing. I have a feeling there are going the be some trials and tribulations to start the season.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:40 am

In all seriousness, I thought the mock draft software was a good Version 1.0 -- improvements are sure to follow. The mistakes that people have found should be easily corrected.

This has been recommended ad nauseum, but it's worth restating here: a group of NFBC veterans should be utilized as beta testers before official rollouts or major changes. You would have no shortage of volunteers, myself included.

Geoffrey Stein · Post by **Geoffrey Stein** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:44 am

Rest assured that Greg, Tom, Ryan and I are working closely with the tech guys to make sure all of the issues are corrected.

Technology is tricky, but we're going to knock your socks off with the adjustments we make as we go -- I can guarantee that.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:46 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

In all seriousness, I thought the mock draft software was a good Version 1.0 -- improvements are sure to follow. The mistakes that people have found should be easily corrected.

This has been recommended ad nauseum, but it's worth restating here: a group of NFBC veterans should be utilized as beta testers before official rollouts or major changes. You would have no shortage of volunteers, myself included. This is pretty obvious, yet the offer has not been made by the NFBC. Almost all of the problems found with the Mock Draft software should have been found by an attentive tester. Allowing 15 veterans to test it would make the NFBC look better as well because most of the problems would have been identified by the beta group instead of after go-live.

I am more worried about the back end and FAAB now that I've seen this. In time the mock draft software will be great. With the FAAB we do not have the time to wait. It needs to be great in week 1. We are only 4 weeks away from Opening Day. If the FAAB is messsed up in the Main there will be a sh*tstorm on these boards. I hope we can avoid that.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:47 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

In all seriousness, I thought the mock draft software was a good Version 1.0 -- improvements are sure to follow. The mistakes that people have found should be easily corrected.

This has been recommended ad nauseum, but it's worth restating here: a group of NFBC veterans should be utilized as beta testers before official rollouts or major changes. You would have no shortage of volunteers, myself included. Keep beating that drum, King.

Tekkies are looking through different eyes than players.

The volunteers are here, utilize us.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:59 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

In all seriousness, I thought the mock draft software was a good Version 1.0 -- improvements are sure to follow. The mistakes that people have found should be easily corrected.

This has been recommended ad nauseum, but it's worth restating here: a group of NFBC veterans should be utilized as beta testers before official rollouts or major changes. You would have no shortage of volunteers, myself included. That's exactly what happened when STATS rolled out their new FAAB a few yrs ago and it worked like a charm when it went live. Count me in as a beta tester too.

The RoundTrippers · Post by **The RoundTrippers** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:02 am

beta test me till i explode...i want this to go ssssmmmmmmmmoooooovvvvvvv come week 1

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:22 am

Geoffrey Stein,

I think we have waited long enough! Are you trying to tell me 3 weeks out eveything will be fixed? Come on the trust factor at this point is zero. Let the top guns in NFBC look at the FAAB program. If you don't your doomed! Your Mock Draft is a joke.

:rolleyes:

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:34 am

You guys just were/ARE beta testing. No need to formalize it. It must not have been close to the level it was at yesterday, or you would have been testing it earlier.

Geoffrey Stein · Post by **Geoffrey Stein** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:37 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Geoffrey Stein,

I think we have waited long enough! Are you trying to tell me 3 weeks out eveything will be fixed? Come on the trust factor at this point is zero. Let the top guns in NFBC look at the FAAB program. If you don't your doomed! Your Mock Draft is a joke.

:rolleyes: I trust in the talented tech team that Fanball has, yes.

Would you care to share some of your criticisms of the mock drafting software? I'm going to be talking to the St. Louis office again in a few minutes and would love to give them Walla Walla's insight.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:44 am

No problem. Make sure it measures up to MDC as a start. Than go from there. On the back end with FAAB start at STATS level then improve from there. So far you've done nothing.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:53 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

No problem. Make sure it measures up to MDC as a start. Than go from there. On the back end with FAAB start at STATS level then improve from there. So far you've done nothing. John with all due respect getting on here and raising hell about something you probably hadnt even used aint accomplishing s***. Havent done a draft with it yet but crating a draft list is 10 times easier than MDC, unless you have some constructive critizism then all of you that want to raise hell to just raise hell need to be quiet.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:59 am

John's way is a bit caustic, but he's not necessarily wrong in his assessments.

I poked around a bit and for all the hype, I'm not sure fanball came through. And with the biggest issue being FAAB, I think we all should be a bit nervous.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:00 am

I don't know. Asking for improvements from last year didn't seem so bad to me??

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:04 am

Can you feel the love tonight!

Geoffrey Stein · Post by **Geoffrey Stein** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:06 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

No problem. Make sure it measures up to MDC as a start. Than go from there. On the back end with FAAB start at STATS level then improve from there. So far you've done nothing. While beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, I think this is more than fair.

The NFBC community deserves better and will get better, and everyone is committed to making sure that is the case.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:11 am

Originally posted by Geoffrey Stein:

The NFBC community deserves better and will get better, and everyone is committed to making sure that is the case. Geoff, I realize this isn't your baby, but I'm really dumbfounded why NFBC vets weren't beta testing this?? We would have picked up on all this shitt within 24 hours and kept all the current "bad press" from the nfbc masses.

beginning in November I was under the impression that NFBC vets would be the beta testers. Then about a week ago I saw a post by Greg saying the Fanball programmers were able to be the beta testers and we weren't needed!

While they may be good at programming, they don't know jack about baseball and I question how much they know about MDC and STATS. IF they did beta test this, they get a "D".

Geoffrey Stein · Post by **Geoffrey Stein** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:31 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Geoffrey Stein:

The NFBC community deserves better and will get better, and everyone is committed to making sure that is the case. Geoff, I realize this isn't your baby, but I'm really dumbfounded why NFBC vets weren't beta testing this?? We would have picked up on all this shitt within 24 hours and kept all the current "bad press" from the nfbc masses.

beginning in November I was under the impression that NFBC vets would be the beta testers. Then about a week ago I saw a post by Greg saying the Fanball programmers were able to be the beta testers and we weren't needed!

While they may be good at programming, they don't know jack about baseball and I question how much they know about MDC and STATS. IF they did beta test this, they get a "D". [/QUOTE]What was rolled out yesterday isn't the final product, but we decided not to call it beta testing, either.

The purpose of the initial roll out was to: 1) find bugs, errors and things we've missed. So far, that's been successful, as I've been on the phone all day communicating what you guys have found. 2 get the NFBC community used to the software. There are still tweaks and corrections to be made, yes, but what you're seeing is for the most part what you're going to be getting.

I believe Dan used the phrase "tekkie glasses" earlier, and that is such an excellent way to describe things. During my time at MDC, I was always amazed at some of the problems folks ran into, because, well, I would've never considered doing some of the crazy things they did because I knew how everything worked. Getting this product in front of new sets of eyes -- who haven't been working on it for weeks -- was a huge step in the process of creating the best software possible, and it's already paid off.

I understand why everyone is on eggshells about things -- I really do. And I don't blame you. But as someone who has been around this entire process, I can honestly say that I don't think you have anything to worry about. Everyone associated with this from Ryan, Greg and Tom all the way down to lowly 'ol me are 100 percent committed to giving you guys the best NFBC ever ... and we look forward to proving ourselves to you.

[ March 05, 2010, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Geoffrey Stein ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:32 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Geoffrey Stein:

The NFBC community deserves better and will get better, and everyone is committed to making sure that is the case. Geoff, I realize this isn't your baby, but I'm really dumbfounded why NFBC vets weren't beta testing this?? We would have picked up on all this shitt within 24 hours and kept all the current "bad press" from the nfbc masses.

beginning in November I was under the impression that NFBC vets would be the beta testers. Then about a week ago I saw a post by Greg saying the Fanball programmers were able to be the beta testers and we weren't needed!

While they may be good at programming, they don't know jack about baseball and I question how much they know about MDC and STATS. IF they did beta test this, they get a "D". [/QUOTE]All it would have taken to smooth out this would have been to rename the 10+ page thread from "NFBC Mock Draft Software Is Now Live!! "...to "NFBC Mock Draft Software Is Now open for NFBC player beta testing!"

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:34 am

Geoff

We know you have confidence in the tekkies at Fanball.

But don't you think the final test, before hitting the public, should be a test amongst 15 veteran NFBC players?

Before that question is answered though, this one is more important-

Is the faab page ready to be tested, NOW?

[ March 05, 2010, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Geoffrey Stein · Post by **Geoffrey Stein** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:36 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Geoff

We know you have confidence in the tekkies at Fanball.

But don't you think the final test, before hitting the public, should be a test amongst 15 veteran NFBC players?

Before that question is answered though, this one is more important-

Is the faab page ready to be tested, NOW? The public are the best testers. How many people have chimed in? What if they weren't one of the 15 we invited?

I wish I could give you an update on the FAAB page, but I know nothing.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:38 am

Good point....And the faab answer scares me.