Utterly Ridiculous

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:05 pm

Just like basketball teams push the ball up the court to change the pace of the game, maybe pushing the draft pace can play into certain players hands????

Certainly something to think about.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:08 pm

of course i wasn't there, but as an outsider looking in, it sounds like some owners were prepared and some weren't.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:12 pm

Nobody piped up and told the sticker folks to "Relax...we've been planning for this moment for months, and traveled here from _____________ to ENJOY this draft, not finish an hour before every one else for no good reason other then the facilitator had a diner date."

I guess the entire league was in a rush, as all it would take is 3 or 4 of the 15 to take the full time.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:13 pm

I WAS there, and I don't think I've ever been in a draft with 15 owners more prepared than this group.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:14 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

I WAS there, and I don't think I've ever been in a draft with 15 owners more prepared than this group. obviously, that's why they picked so quick!!!!so why was there PANIC?

[ March 21, 2010, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:17 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Nobody piped up and told the sticker folks to "Relax...we've been planning for this moment for months, and traveled here from _____________ to ENJOY this draft, not finish an hour before every one else for no good reason other then the facilitator had a diner date."

I guess the entire league was in a rush, as all it would take is 3 or 4 of the 15 to take the full time. The sticker folk were only half of the "race'. It seemed if the sticker took a few extra seconds to go up, as soon as they said "Next team, you're on the clock...within 2 seconds, BANG, they'd make a pick.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:18 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by RichV:

I WAS there, and I don't think I've ever been in a draft with 15 owners more prepared than this group. obviously, that's why they picked so quick!!!!so why was there PANIC? [/QUOTE]No panic here. Just a lot less thinking through options.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:18 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Nobody piped up and told the sticker folks to "Relax...we've been planning for this moment for months, and traveled here from _____________ to ENJOY this draft, not finish an hour before every one else for no good reason other then the facilitator had a diner date."

I guess the entire league was in a rush, as all it would take is 3 or 4 of the 15 to take the full time. The sticker folk were only half of the "race'. It seemed if the sticker took a few extra seconds to go up, as soon as they said "Next team, you're on the clock...within 2 seconds, BANG, they'd make a pick. [/QUOTE]so what is wrong with that?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:19 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Nobody piped up and told the sticker folks to "Relax...we've been planning for this moment for months, and traveled here from _____________ to ENJOY this draft, not finish an hour before every one else for no good reason other then the facilitator had a diner date."

I guess the entire league was in a rush, as all it would take is 3 or 4 of the 15 to take the full time. I have been in a few drafts like this, and each time informed the facilitator of the following rule: the 1 minute clock starts AFTER the sticker is placed on the board.

I'd be willing to bet money that this rule was not enforced here.

jdryan · Post by **jdryan** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:19 pm

I agree why Pay all the cash and run thru it?

enjoy the moment take your time and have fun with it. Draft time is one of the best times of Fantasy I play in a local Lg all pretty good players we max out are time alot. Fun, Fun fun.

Unless that is to thro some guys off their game but 10 or 11 guys would all have to have the same thing in mind. I doubt that happen

TrunkMonkey · Post by **TrunkMonkey** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:19 pm

Interesting chat. Would be fun to see this draft as compared to others later and see if it really was different or just a fast draft.

SUPERFLY · Post by **SUPERFLY** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:20 pm

I can say this. if anyone had read the Rookie NFBC thread here or on mastersball, they might have prepared for a possible pitcher run ...

They would have also seen that MDC and NFBC ADPs could have been thrown out the window...

Some people said it was a bunch of rookie drafters that didnt follow the NFBC playbook....I say phooey!

1 of two things happened. Once the money is on the line,throw ADP out and realize people panic and get caught up in runs that they dont see in a slow NFBC or a Mock...If you get shut out of pitching in a mock, who cares? In the money? You could be dead.

The other thing that could have happened is maybe some folks read about the Rookie Draft pushing pitching early at every level....And not following ADP for Bats either... Maybe the ones that used that real Rookie Sat league as an ADP of sorts actually prepared better and took the pitching early.

I really Have no idea what took place in live drafts except the reports drafts not following the normal playbook....It sounds like the playbook may have been rewritten by earlier drafters this season....

If it were me drafting next weekend, i would prepare for a pitching run..If it starts in the 3rd, it will continue through the draft. I guarantee it...If the run never happens, then play by your normal playbook...But be ready.

You should notice it before the mid third/early 4th round. I noticed it in the middle of the 4th and adjusted my plan a bit...but I continued through every level of the draft.. The 10/11th rd pitchers you think will be there, wont be...they will go 2-3 rounds ahead of what you want..

Good luck to all drafting next week...And in police lingo, I am putting out a BOLO on a pitching run next weekend...

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:21 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by RichV:

I WAS there, and I don't think I've ever been in a draft with 15 owners more prepared than this group. obviously, that's why they picked so quick!!!!so why was there PANIC? [/QUOTE]No panic here. Just a lot less thinking through options. [/QUOTE]Not panic....sticker shock!!

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:22 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Nobody piped up and told the sticker folks to "Relax...we've been planning for this moment for months, and traveled here from _____________ to ENJOY this draft, not finish an hour before every one else for no good reason other then the facilitator had a diner date."

I guess the entire league was in a rush, as all it would take is 3 or 4 of the 15 to take the full time. I have been in a few drafts like this, and each time informed the facilitator of the following rule: the 1 minute clock starts AFTER the sticker is placed on the board.

I'd be willing to bet money that this rule was not enforced here. [/QUOTE]The stickers were up. they were VERY efficiant. VERY few owners took time with thier picks

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:24 pm

i guess i'm missing the point. we have 1 minute to select a player after a player is posted. if owners decide to pick within 2-5 seconds, that's their option. it's not the facilitator pushing the draft, it's the players.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:24 pm

Originally posted by jdryan:

I agree why Pay all the cash and run thru it?

enjoy the moment take your time and have fun with it. Draft time is one of the best times of Fantasy I play in a local Lg all pretty good players we max out are time alot. Fun, Fun fun.

Unless that is to thro some guys off their game but 10 or 11 guys would all have to have the same thing in mind. I doubt that happen Don't doubt it. That IS how it was.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:30 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

I'll start off by saying that I won't be posting my team until after next week's event, and I hope that everyone in my league or anyone who saw it will not divulge it.

But I will say the starting pitcher run in my Atlantic City league was SO FAR OUT OF THE NORM, that many teams got left with their pants down (including me).

Here were the starting pitchers OFF THE BOARD by my pick in the mid FIFTH round...

Lincecum

Halladay

CC

Hernandez

Haren

Greinke

Lester

Wainwright

Santana

Beckett

Hanson

Carpenter

Gallardo

Vazquez

Jimenez

Kershaw

Brett Anderson went in the 7th? Lackey in the 7th? Weaver in the 7th? Gavin freak'n floyd went in the 8th!?!?!? JA Happ in the 12th?!?!?!?

Many teams tried to "wait out" the SP run, but the end never came as SP continued to be pushed at breakneck speeds.

It certainly threw me off my game and my team looked NOTHING like the team I thought I would have after prepping for months...as I had to play constant SP catchup. Pretty sick feeling.

good job mark, you got everybody you could thinking about that pitcher run next weekend..

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:34 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

you're right mark, you're trying to insight panic into a draft, but it sounds like you're the one that panicked when you missed a pick. i agree with Jack in the earlier post, you of all people shouldn't have worried or panicked with a pitcher run. WHAT???? i panicked because i took my time making my pick??? some of you really need to read/understand before posting.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:34 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Nobody piped up and told the sticker folks to "Relax...we've been planning for this moment for months, and traveled here from _____________ to ENJOY this draft, not finish an hour before every one else for no good reason other then the facilitator had a diner date."

I guess the entire league was in a rush, as all it would take is 3 or 4 of the 15 to take the full time. I have been in a few drafts like this, and each time informed the facilitator of the following rule: the 1 minute clock starts AFTER the sticker is placed on the board.

I'd be willing to bet money that this rule was not enforced here. [/QUOTE]From the sounds of it Glenn, it didn't matter.

Seems like even once they said "it's your turn", the majority of the league was making a pick within 10 seconds.

Like Lance said, if just 3 or 4 people would take the full minute, it would have slowed things down considerably.

Unfortunately we live in a society where if you have to "take your time" at anything, you are considered less skilled than someone who can do it quicker.

[ March 21, 2010, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: billywaz ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:37 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

He didn't panic. He sat back and said I'll wait one turn, because i don't want to jump here when I'm not ready. Trust me, I understand it completly. I was there, and on more than one occation I thought about taking an extra minute by letting a pick go. I probably should have in round 9 when I yelled out "Posada" with one second left

Rich - The only bad pick is making one you'll regret...which is more likely to happen when you make a hurried pick. I took the time to think everything through. I have no problem passing on a pick.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:38 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Nobody piped up and told the sticker folks to "Relax...we've been planning for this moment for months, and traveled here from _____________ to ENJOY this draft, not finish an hour before every one else for no good reason other then the facilitator had a diner date."

I guess the entire league was in a rush, as all it would take is 3 or 4 of the 15 to take the full time. i was certainly prepared and the fast pace i thought would play to my advantage.

jdryan · Post by **jdryan** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:40 pm

I would rather pass on a pick. then pick a guy I do not want to look at all season.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:43 pm

Originally posted by jdryan:

I would rather pass on a pick. then pick a guy I do not want to look at all season. bill cleavenger and mighty men would say you were unprepared

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:46 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

it's not the facilitator pushing the draft, it's the players. WRONG - I've been in a league with this SAME exact facilitator and he moves fast. don't get me wrong, he's a great facilitator, knows most players, injects humor into the picks at the right time, etc..

however, i've seen his drafts finish before most.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:46 pm

Whatever the intent, this is a good topic. It shows some of the variability that can happen from draft-to-draft -- particularly the live ones.