Utterly Ridiculous

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:03 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I thought you would be prepared for anything and everything. [/QUOTE]Right. I wasn't saying you were unprepared. You are the complete opposite of unprepared. My expectation of you is to be prepared for everything.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:08 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I thought you would be prepared for anything and everything. [/QUOTE]Right. I wasn't saying you were unprepared. You are the complete opposite of unprepared. My expectation of you is to be prepared for everything. [/QUOTE]jack - i expected to draft a much better staff than what I did. with that said, i took my time and made sure i could still work a feasible plan while punting SP to a certain extent. if it works out, i was prepared. if it doesn't, i wasn't. right?

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:15 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I thought you would be prepared for anything and everything. [/QUOTE]Right. I wasn't saying you were unprepared. You are the complete opposite of unprepared. My expectation of you is to be prepared for everything. [/QUOTE]jack - i expected to draft a much better staff than what I did. with that said, i took my time and made sure i could still work a feasible plan while punting SP to a certain extent. if it works out, i was prepared. if it doesn't, i wasn't. right?

[/QUOTE]You are right there. Hit on a few of your later SP's, and with what I would presume is a hitting-focused team, everything will work out. It will be interesting to see your team after next week.

Big Mac Attack · Post by **Big Mac Attack** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:27 pm

Originally posted by billywaz:

quote: From the sounds of it Glenn, it didn't matter.

Seems like even once they said "it's your turn", the majority of the league was making a pick within 10 seconds.

Like Lance said, if just 3 or 4 people would take the full minute, it would have slowed things down considerably.

Unfortunately we live in a society where if you have to "take your time" at anything, you are considered less skilled than someone who can do it quicker. [/QB][/QUOTE]This.......I was in league 3 and the other league was fast. However our facilitator tried to push things along, but a few of our members took 58 seconds over each pick. Spread this over 30 rounds, and voila, there's your difference.

(This is not a criticism of those people.....I may be one of them....peer pressure doesn't phase me )

76erfan · Post by **76erfan** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:41 pm

I helped run one of the other drafts in AC yesterday and that draft 1 was really moving. 3 hours 40 minutes i think for all 450 picks. Our draft took 5 on the button. Some owners picked right away...some took the whole minute. I think owners came in with the expectation it was gonna take 5 hours so no one seemed in a rush to get thru it any faster than that.

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:55 pm

I was in League 2 in AC and I loved the very relaxed and joking facilitator who gave regular time updates but put zero pressure on anybody to hurry up. The facilitators who stare at you like you are bothering them for thinking about your pick are a negative influence to me and I was pleased to have a really cool guy.

-Craig

DrDobs · Post by **DrDobs** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:58 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I'm actually surprised by your post. You have often trumpeted your ability to be prepared for a draft, and how it takes skills to win at baseball. And quite honestly, I expect that from you and respect that part of your game. Isn't part of being skilled at this game being ready for any ebbs and flows at a draft?

Now maybe it surprised you, but if some players were taken early, that means others are falling.

Based on your posts in the past, I never would have expected you to say that something "threw you off my game". I thought you would be prepared for anything and everything. Seriously, and I'm not trying to give you the business. Wow, I was going to post my thoughts on Gekko's comments but this post hits the topic 100% RIGHT ON. Almost word for word my thoughts... Why is Gekko complaining?

Hell, I bet the players on the other side of the draft table must have thought during the moment where you are so frazled that you needed to take a pass on your pick just to pull yourself together was worth the admission price alone! That would have been an unexpected bonus!

Thanks to the two weekends, we now have owners trying to 'hide' the draft results... - wonderfull...

Jon

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:08 pm

Originally posted by 76erfan:

3 hours 40 minutes i think for all 450 picks. Our draft took 5 on the button. is that what it was. 3hours and 40 minutes. WOW!

team z · Post by **team z** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:11 pm

As I prepared last week for my draft on Saturday in A.C., I with out a doubt noticed a big move up the draft chart of the top SP's. So much so that I moved my first SP up a round. Even with that the first three SP choices I expected to be able to take were gone and I had to settle for my fourth choice. Personally I feel most of this has to do with how pitchers are looking in spring training. Actually with the injuries to Baily and Street I was ready for a panic run on closers that never came and was able to use that break to take SP's.

[ March 21, 2010, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: the untouchables ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:13 pm

Originally posted by DrDobs:

Hell, I bet the players on the other side of the draft table must have thought during the moment where you are so frazled that you needed to take a pass on your pick just to pull yourself together was worth the admission price alone! That would have been an unexpected bonus!

you can call it what you want, however the truth is i was surprised that all the SP went that early. for me to change my whole gameplan in the fifth round required me to run through a couple different gameplans and see which one was most feasible. i'm sooooo sorry that thought process didn't fit into your one minute period.

gregdoyle · Post by **gregdoyle** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:21 pm

Gordon/Mark/Eli... I'd like to (sincerely) thank you all for prompting these discussions. Regardless of the hubris/umbrage etc, the basic subject matter being discussed benefits all.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:25 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

I'll start off by saying that I won't be posting my team until after next week's event, and I hope that everyone in my league or anyone who saw it will not divulge it.

But I will say the starting pitcher run in my Atlantic City league was SO FAR OUT OF THE NORM, that many teams got left with their pants down (including me).

Here were the starting pitchers OFF THE BOARD by my pick in the mid FIFTH round...

Lincecum

Halladay

CC

Hernandez

Haren

Greinke

Lester

Wainwright

Santana

Beckett

Hanson

Carpenter

Gallardo

Vazquez

Jimenez

Kershaw

Brett Anderson went in the 7th? Lackey in the 7th? Weaver in the 7th? Gavin freak'n floyd went in the 8th!?!?!? JA Happ in the 12th?!?!?!?

Many teams tried to "wait out" the SP run, but the end never came as SP continued to be pushed at breakneck speeds.

It certainly threw me off my game and my team looked NOTHING like the team I thought I would have after prepping for months...as I had to play constant SP catchup. Pretty sick feeling.

I have grown to respect you more this season GG and respect your thinking, but this whole post set my opinions back a few years. The thing that strikes me as the oddest is you are always ripping people for being sheep and following ADP and not thinking for themselves. Apparently your league decided to go against the flow and push SP and what you come up with is a thread called Utterly Ridiculous and start complaining about how it threw your entire game plan off. I would expect someone who takes pride in thinking outside the box to commend your league mates for throwing you off cause during your prep you talk on and on about how prepared you are and nothing can throw you off, well apparently you were wrong. Come on Mark, man up and applaud those who adjusted and made this a tough draft. Between this SP issue and the faster pace it sure sounds like whining and making excuses already as to why the 100k will elude you.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:26 pm

oops

[ March 21, 2010, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: NorCalAtlFan ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:35 pm

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

I have grown to respect you more this season GG and respect your thinking, but this whole post set my opinions back a few years. The thing that strikes me as the oddest is you are always ripping people for being sheep and following ADP and not thinking for themselves. Apparently your league decided to go against the flow and push SP and what you come up with is a thread called Utterly Ridiculous and start complaining about how it threw your entire game plan off. I would expect someone who takes pride in thinking outside the box to commend your league mates for throwing you off cause during your prep you talk on and on about how prepared you are and nothing can throw you off, well apparently you were wrong. Come on Mark, man up and applaud those who adjusted and made this a tough draft. Between this SP issue and the faster pace it sure sounds like whining and making excuses already as to why the 100k will elude you. nah craig, you are usually one of the first to rip me on these boards.

i think 17 SP gone by 5.6 IS utterly ridiculous. that is a 41% SP inflation based on adp. not 10 or 20%, but 40%.

but, it is what it is. so i decided to change my gameplan based on how the draft is going and now YOU equate that with me not being prepared????

where did i say i wasn't prepared? you got a quick trigger finger when it comes to me, and again you are proven wrong. i changed my gameplan in the 5th round. i guess you are saying i should have stuck to my original gameplan no matter what or else you would accuse my of not being prepared.

sticking to the same gameplan when it is no longer feasible sounds like someone who isn't prepared.

think b4 you post next time craig. please

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:39 pm

we had 13 gone by the same point and 17 gone by 5.14. plus a couple closers.

it was what it was. we took notice and moved on. it allowed for some nice values so we thought it balanced out.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:41 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Hard Heads:

I have grown to respect you more this season GG and respect your thinking, but this whole post set my opinions back a few years. The thing that strikes me as the oddest is you are always ripping people for being sheep and following ADP and not thinking for themselves. Apparently your league decided to go against the flow and push SP and what you come up with is a thread called Utterly Ridiculous and start complaining about how it threw your entire game plan off. I would expect someone who takes pride in thinking outside the box to commend your league mates for throwing you off cause during your prep you talk on and on about how prepared you are and nothing can throw you off, well apparently you were wrong. Come on Mark, man up and applaud those who adjusted and made this a tough draft. Between this SP issue and the faster pace it sure sounds like whining and making excuses already as to why the 100k will elude you. nah craig, you are usually one of the first to rip me on these boards.

i think 17 SP gone by 5.6 IS utterly ridiculous. that is a 41% SP inflation based on adp. not 10 or 20%, but 40%.

but, it is what it is. so i decided to change my gameplan based on how the draft is going and now YOU equate that with me not being prepared????

where did i say i wasn't prepared? you got a quick trigger finger when it comes to me, and again you are proven wrong. i changed my gameplan in the 5th round. i guess you are saying i should have stuck to my original gameplan no matter what or else you would accuse my of not being prepared.

sticking to the same gameplan when it is no longer feasible sounds like someone who isn't prepared.

think b4 you post next time craig. please [/QUOTE]Sorry you feel that way Mark but it has been a very long time since I ripped you. I think keeping quiet would have done you more good then anything. What exactly did you gain except drawing attention to yourself by starting this thread? Was this just you informing those not in the know for next weekend? But whatever Mark, best of luck throughout the year. I will stay away from GG bashing since apparently I do it all the time.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:46 pm

We had 18 gone by 5.12

Maybe it wasn't 'utterly ridiculous', a trend is more like it.

[ March 21, 2010, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:47 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

we had 13 gone by the same point and 17 gone by 5.14. brian - seeing how adp called for 12 being gone by that pick, 13 isn't that far off.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:49 pm

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

Sorry you feel that way Mark but it has been a very long time since I ripped you. I think keeping quiet would have done you more good then anything. What exactly did you gain except drawing attention to yourself by starting this thread? Was this just you informing those not in the know for next weekend? But whatever Mark, best of luck throughout the year. I will stay away from GG bashing since apparently I do it all the time. maybe i just remember your bashings more than others

why do i need to gain something to start a thread. i found a 41% inflation rate surprising, shocking, etc... that's all. no agendas

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:50 pm

Adp from SATELITES, Mark?

Thats a different ballgame.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:52 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Adp from SATELITES, Mark?

Thats a different ballgame. adps from pay satellites vs what?

what is the better alternative measure of what other drafters will do?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:55 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Adp from SATELITES, Mark?

Thats a different ballgame. adps from pay satellites vs what?

what is the better alternative measure of what other drafters will do? [/QUOTE]YOU, that is the better alternative.

You know that the better players don't draft in a Sat as they would for a Main. Those numbers are tainted.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:56 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

YOU, that is the better alternative.

You know that the better players don't draft in a Sat as they would for a Main. Those numbers are tainted. "the better players"? what is the % of these so called "better players" in main event leagues

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:56 pm

Adp from sats are just a step better than mocks, but still a big step from the Main.

Now, if youcan get adp from the first weekend....

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:58 pm

...and to think when reading the title of this thread, and who wrote it, I was looking forward to reading a healthy debate on that garbage bill forced through tonight.