Designated DL Pitchers

Return of the Aces · Post by **Return of the Aces** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:55 am

Is there any rule against purposely putting an injured (DL) pitcher in the starting lineup in order to replace the pitcher on Fridays?

If it is "legal" its seems to be a distortion of the intent of the rules. Is there any way to fix this apparent loophole? For example, if you take a DL pitcher out of your lineup, you can put him back in the lineup the next week, but you cannot remove him again on Friday.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:01 am

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Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:04 am

this is an easy one. from the rules section...

"Team owners also are allowed to remove a pitcher (or pitchers) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup and replace him with a pitcher from their reserve roster on Fridays by 5 minutes before the scheduled start time of the first game of the day. Pitchers must officially be on Major League Baseball's DL list according to Fanball and the NFBC by 12:01 AM ET on Friday for this move (or moves) to take effect for the weekend games."

Return of the Aces · Post by **Return of the Aces** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:05 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

this is an easy one. from the rules section...

"Team owners also are allowed to remove a pitcher (or pitchers) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup and replace him with a pitcher from their reserve roster on Fridays by 5 minutes before the scheduled start time of the first game of the day. Pitchers must officially be on Major League Baseball's DL list according to Fanball and the NFBC by 12:01 AM ET on Friday for this move (or moves) to take effect for the weekend games." I know what the rule states. But, perhaps, it is time for the loophole to be closed.

It does not seem like a stretch to find a way to make owners more accountable for managing pitchers.

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Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:29 am

i wonder if any owners started 23 page thread joe blanton (by accident) and will replace him with PADILLA OF ALL PEOPLE!!!!

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swampass · Post by **swampass** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:39 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

i wonder if any owners started 23 page thread joe blanton (by accident) and will replace him with PADILLA OF ALL PEOPLE!!!!

this should not be allowed. i thought this Gekko-Hole was closed last year.

if a pitcher starts the week on the dl and they are in an owners starting lineup that owner SHOULD NOT be able to switch someone else in on friday.

if a pitcher goes to the dl during the week and they are in the starting linep, an owner SHOULD be able to switch them out.

its black and white.... cut and dry. anything beyond that is roster manipulation and shoudlnt be allowed.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:42 am

Originally posted by swampass:

this should not be allowed. i thought this Gekko-Hole was closed last year.

if a pitcher starts the week on the dl and they are in an owners starting lineup that owner SHOULD NOT be able to switch someone else in on friday.

if a pitcher goes to the dl during the week and they are in the starting linep, an owner SHOULD be able to switch them out.

its black and white.... cut and dry. anything beyond that is roster manipulation and shoudlnt be allowed. no, you have it wrong. what was banned was if a DL pitcher pitched during the first half of the week and then the owner quickly replaced him and got a 2nd start in the 2nd half of the week.

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:10 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by swampass:

this should not be allowed. i thought this Gekko-Hole was closed last year.

if a pitcher starts the week on the dl and they are in an owners starting lineup that owner SHOULD NOT be able to switch someone else in on friday.

if a pitcher goes to the dl during the week and they are in the starting linep, an owner SHOULD be able to switch them out.

its black and white.... cut and dry. anything beyond that is roster manipulation and shoudlnt be allowed. no, you have it wrong. what was banned was if a DL pitcher pitched during the first half of the week and then the owner quickly replaced him and got a 2nd start in the 2nd half of the week. [/QUOTE]I believe it was the "Smoltz Rule" whereby an owner starts a pitcher who is on the DL, then swaps the DL'd pitcher on Friday for a healthy pitcher who was going against a tough opponent early in the week but faces a weak opponent over the weekend.

I have no idea if this loophole was ever closed, but it sure was much discussed!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:25 pm

Well...

a) they surely cannot program a systems that locks you from starting a DL'd pitcher (who you anticipate will come off the DL during the week and start). Thus...they must ALLOW you to roster a DL'd pitcher anytime during the week.

b) they allow you to pull a DL'd pitcher and get SOME replacement value for the weekend games.

c) I don't think anyone wants to volunteer to become the watchdog for all 1000+ teams manually for no compensation.

I suggest everyone consider using this "open looped" rule to your advantage, or voluntarily be at a disadvantage for NOT playing by these open rules.

Return of the Aces · Post by **Return of the Aces** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:46 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

i wonder if any owners started 23 page thread joe blanton (by accident) and will replace him with PADILLA OF ALL PEOPLE!!!!

I guess it is no shock that the person attempting to use the loophole this week is Srebro by starting Blanton in NY 4.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:47 pm

Originally posted by Raskol:

I believe it was the "Smoltz Rule" whereby an owner starts a pitcher who is on the DL, then swaps the DL'd pitcher on Friday for a healthy pitcher who was going against a tough opponent early in the week but faces a weak opponent over the weekend.

I have no idea if this loophole was ever closed, but it sure was much discussed! the "smoltz rule" was indeed discussed last year. in the end though it was not implemented for 2009 nor 2010.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:50 pm

Originally posted by Return of the Aces:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

i wonder if any owners started 23 page thread joe blanton (by accident) and will replace him with PADILLA OF ALL PEOPLE!!!!

I guess it is no shock that the person attempting to use the loophole this week is Srebro by starting Blanton in NY 4. [/QUOTE]loophole for some, team management for others?

Return of the Aces · Post by **Return of the Aces** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:55 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Return of the Aces:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

i wonder if any owners started 23 page thread joe blanton (by accident) and will replace him with PADILLA OF ALL PEOPLE!!!!

I guess it is no shock that the person attempting to use the loophole this week is Srebro by starting Blanton in NY 4. [/QUOTE]loophole for some, team management for others? [/QUOTE]Either way it is a slimy attempt to manipulate the system. That is why you have zero credibility with the whole Padilla-Moyer move.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:01 pm

Originally posted by Return of the Aces:

Either way it is a slimy attempt to manipulate the system. That is why you have zero credibility with the whole Padilla-Moyer move. my advice for you: learn the rules and then do your best to put your team in a position to succeed. that's all any of us can do.

swampass · Post by **swampass** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:10 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Return of the Aces:

Either way it is a slimy attempt to manipulate the system. That is why you have zero credibility with the whole Padilla-Moyer move. my advice for you: learn the rules and then do your best to put your team in a position to succeed. that's all any of us can do. [/QUOTE]thanks. have you moved from water delivery to working on wall street? or perhaps you are learning from our trustworthy people in govt? if you can do it and get away with it, it must be fair.

so, ive been corrected and i shall also use "The Gekko Rules" moving forward.

Return of the Aces · Post by **Return of the Aces** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:20 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Return of the Aces:

Either way it is a slimy attempt to manipulate the system. That is why you have zero credibility with the whole Padilla-Moyer move. my advice for you: learn the rules and then do your best to put your team in a position to succeed. that's all any of us can do. [/QUOTE]I will let the Commissioner determine if this "loophole" is in the spirit and intention of the rules. If it is allowed, so be it.

M Co · Post by **M Co** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

my advice for you: learn the rules and then do your best to put your team in a position to succeed. that's all any of us can do. Nobody needs you of all people to give advice about rules, considering you don't even follow them except when it suits you. We are all fine without your "advice." Or as you said yesterday, please manage your own teams and leave others to manage theirs.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:07 pm

Originally posted by swampass:

so, ive been corrected and i shall also use "The Gekko Rules" moving forward.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:08 pm

Originally posted by Return of the Aces:

I will let the Commissioner determine if this "loophole" is in the spirit and intention of the rules. If it is allowed, so be it. if he can find a way to close it for EVERYONE in 2011, i will support it.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:15 pm

Originally posted by M Co:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

my advice for you: learn the rules and then do your best to put your team in a position to succeed. that's all any of us can do. Nobody needs you of all people to give advice about rules, considering you don't even follow them except when it suits you. We are all fine without your "advice." Or as you said yesterday, please manage your own teams and leave others to manage theirs. [/QUOTE]just trying to help