Order of Stats

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:18 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

What looks right to me is the follows...

AB H R HR RBI SB .AVG etc, etc, etc.Looks pretty good to me!

jaybvl · Post by **jaybvl** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:18 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

The AB definitely should go on the far left--I think that would be the one universal agreement. My eyes were going buggy from the previous arrangement.

How about something like this?

AB H AVG R HR RBI SB BB K

4 2 .500 1 1 2 0 1 0

I'm still thinking about the pitching... Thank you! 99.9% of everyone would agree (with 1 exception)

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:20 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

The AB definitely should go on the far left--I think that would be the one universal agreement. My eyes were going buggy from the previous arrangement.

How about something like this?

AB H AVG R HR RBI SB BB K

4 2 .500 1 1 2 0 1 0

I'm still thinking about the pitching... This is fine too....like I said "minor variation or two".....

Maybe Fanball can highlight or bold the scoring stats as well so our eye is immediately drawn to the stats that count.

See how that works....

Glenn

[ April 13, 2010, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:23 pm

Originally posted by jaybvl:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

The AB definitely should go on the far left--I think that would be the one universal agreement. My eyes were going buggy from the previous arrangement.

How about something like this?

AB H AVG R HR RBI SB BB K

4 2 .500 1 1 2 0 1 0

I'm still thinking about the pitching... Thank you! 99.9% of everyone would agree (with 1 exception) [/quote]

[ April 13, 2010, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: Navel Lint ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:24 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

The AB definitely should go on the far left--I think that would be the one universal agreement. My eyes were going buggy from the previous arrangement.

How about something like this?

AB H AVG R HR RBI SB BB K

4 2 .500 1 1 2 0 1 0

I'm still thinking about the pitching... This is fine too....like I said "minor variation or two".....

Maybe Fanball can highlight or bold the scoring stats as well so our eye is immediately drawn to the stats that count.

See how that works....

Glenn [/QUOTE]That, or as KJD suggested, having a gray bar separating the 5 scoring stats from everything else.

I think I would like to see the bolded stats first. Sounds like a winner.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:24 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

What looks right to me is the follows...

AB H R HR RBI SB .AVG etc, etc, etc.Looks pretty good to me! [/QUOTE]I proposed the same thing a couple days ago, several people agreed with this concept. We were all called sheep.

Looks like we are being cloned with another group of sheep that like this look.

Snord35 · Post by **Snord35** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:25 pm

This is how it looked in 08, live stats did not have columns for BB,K but did show them on the daily totals on the bottom for live stats.

Cheap Seat Chuggers BATTERS YESTERDAY

Active AB BA R HR RBI SB

Dioner Navarro C TB 4 .500 0 0 0 0

Kenji Johjima C Sea 4 .250 1 0 0 0

Billy Butler 1B KC 4 .000 0 0 0 0

Mark Ellis 2B Oak 5 .400 1 0 0 0

Edwin Encarnacion 3B Cin 5 .400 2 1 1 0

Derek Jeter SS NYY 3 .000 1 0 0 0

Adam Dunn OF Cin 5 .600 2 2 2 0

Alfonso Soriano OF ChC 4 .750 2 0 0 1

Grady Sizemore OF Cle 7 .286 1 1 3 0

Jay Bruce OF Cin 5 .400 1 0 0 0

Nick Swisher OF ChW 5 .400 1 0 0 0

Jed Lowrie MI Bos 4 .000 0 0 0 0

Evan Longoria CI TB 3 .000 0 0 0 0

Carlos Gonzalez UTL Oak 6 .167 0 0 0 0

Totals 64 313 12 4 6 1

Bench AB BA R HR RBI SB

Julio Lugo B Bos 0 - 0 0 0 0

Lastings Milledge B Was 5 .000 0 0 1 0

Totals 5 000 0 0 1 0

Cheap Seat Chuggers PITCHERS YESTERDAY

Active IP ERA W WHIP K SV

Andy Pettitte P NYY 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

C.J. Wilson P Tex 1.0 .000 0 1.000 1 1

Clayton Kershaw P LAD 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Collin Balester P Was 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Edinson Volquez P Cin 6.1 1.421 1 1.105 5 0

Ervin Santana P LAA 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Francisco Liriano P Min 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Francisco Rodriguez P LAA 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Ubaldo Jimenez P Col 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Totals 7.1 1.227 1 1.091 6 1

Bench IP ERA W WHIP K SV

Eric Hurley B Tex 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

J.J. Putz B Sea 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Jo-Jo Reyes B Atl 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Max Scherzer B Ari 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Phil Hughes B NYY 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Totals 0.0 - 0 - 0 0

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:28 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

The AB definitely should go on the far left--I think that would be the one universal agreement. My eyes were going buggy from the previous arrangement.

How about something like this?

AB H AVG R HR RBI SB BB K

4 2 .500 1 1 2 0 1 0

I'm still thinking about the pitching... This is fine too....like I said "minor variation or two".....

Maybe Fanball can highlight or bold the scoring stats as well so our eye is immediately drawn to the stats that count.

See how that works....

Glenn [/QUOTE]That, or as KJD suggested, having a gray bar separating the 5 scoring stats from everything else.

I think I would like to see the bolded stats first. Sounds like a winner. [/QUOTE]I finally created one winner in this contest....

Glenn

[ April 13, 2010, 10:29 PM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:29 pm

I like Snord's post from the 08 style. That is how it has been for us in the past with STATS. That would work.

Dawg · Post by **Dawg** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:35 pm

I agree with Snord!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:52 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

The AB definitely should go on the far left--I think that would be the one universal agreement. My eyes were going buggy from the previous arrangement.

How about something like this?

AB H AVG R HR RBI SB BB K

4 2 .500 1 1 2 0 1 0

I'm still thinking about the pitching... For me this is a mess Glenn. I saw from another post that this is yahoo's style, which explains why there is a certain faction that likes it. I don't use yahoo for baseball so it looks foreign to me.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:01 pm

This is Yahoo's Boxscore order.

AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Avg

IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP ERA

So far, this is the best I've seen. Just one opinion, I know.

High Octane Baseball · Post by **High Octane Baseball** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:07 pm

honestly I love a box score look..just not for this.

The categories that COUNT in this contest should be shown first..and all other stats can be add ons or whatever...after the fact.

The focus should always be on what COUNTS. The box score look just doesnt work.

I was getting used to the jumbled mess from before but now its just a complete mess.

Focus on the categories that matter...thats what I paid for..

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:09 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

This is Yahoo's Boxscore order.

AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Avg

IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP ERA

So far, this is the best I've seen. Just one opinion, I know. Both MLB.com and CBS are ...

AB R H RBI BB SO LOB Avg

IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:19 pm

I think the biggest problem is that the live scoring page is just plain ugly and hard to read in general, whatever order the stats are in.

* The columns are different widths so some numbers are smashed together while others have gaping spaces.

* There are open spaces rather than zeros.

* Nothing lines up with anything else.

* 4 zeros for daily era and whip (2 is sufficient)

* Vertical lines, please use vertical lines.

With all the effort to make other parts of the site look good, the live scoring page looks like it was designed by a dyslexic using a typewriter with sticky keys.

[ April 14, 2010, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:52 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I think the biggest problem is that the live scoring page is just plain ugly and hard to read in general, whatever order the stats are in.

* The columns are different widths so some numbers are smashed together while others have gaping spaces.

* There are open spaces rather than zeros.

* Nothing lines up with anything else.

* 4 zeros for daily era and whip (2 is sufficient)

* Vertical lines, please use vertical lines.

With all the effort to make other parts of the site look good, the live scoring page looks like it was designed by a dyslexic using a typewriter with sticky keys. Now here I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Still, I hope we look into somehow delineating the stats that count from those that don't.

Seperating them, highlighting them, bolding them....all three. Doesn't really matter, but somehow it appears many believe it should be done.

Glenn

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:44 am

Bottom line: What we have now will not work. It looks awful. Although my preference is to lump the scoring categories together, I really don't care what order the stats are in if one of the following is done: 1) seperate the scoring categories with a vertical bar, or 2) bold the scoring categories so they are easy to find.

As KJ and others mentioned before, the formatting needs to be improved. And why the hell is HBP on live scoring? Is that really important? IMO, live scoring should have the actual scoring stats with H/AB and IP. That's it. For live scoring I don't care about the rest.

One helpful addition would be for game times to show up on live scoring under status. If I go to live scoring right now (9:45 AM) all it shows is who each team plays. For teams that had the day off (yesterday) it showed who they played today? It should not show any team if there is no game. And if probable starters could be marked I'd be very happy.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:55 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I think the biggest problem is that the live scoring page is just plain ugly and hard to read in general, whatever order the stats are in.

* The columns are different widths so some numbers are smashed together while others have gaping spaces.

* There are open spaces rather than zeros.

* Nothing lines up with anything else.

* 4 zeros for daily era and whip (2 is sufficient)

* Vertical lines, please use vertical lines.

With all the effort to make other parts of the site look good, the live scoring page looks like it was designed by a dyslexic using a typewriter with sticky keys. Agreed.

It is hard to go there.

Looks like my room when I was a kid.

Using a 'Leave it to Beaver' term, it's 'clunky'.

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:55 am

What about an optional check box so each participant can hide or unhide the "non-fantasy" stats?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:17 am

The problem is not the order of stats, its the page. Visually, Kate Smith in a bikini.

Oaktown · Post by **Oaktown** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:20 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I think the biggest problem is that the live scoring page is just plain ugly and hard to read in general, whatever order the stats are in.

* The columns are different widths so some numbers are smashed together while others have gaping spaces.

* There are open spaces rather than zeros.

* Nothing lines up with anything else.

* 4 zeros for daily era and whip (2 is sufficient)

* Vertical lines, please use vertical lines.

With all the effort to make other parts of the site look good, the live scoring page looks like it was designed by a dyslexic using a typewriter with sticky keys. Agreed.

It is hard to go there.

Looks like my room when I was a kid.

Using a 'Leave it to Beaver' term, it's 'clunky'. [/QUOTE]Hard to go there is the best way to put it. I try and go there and just end up getting frustrated with the lack of usable info compared to last year and leave. We should be able to see exactly what we have moved up or down in during the night, both in total league points and per category.

The way it is now, you have to know exactly where you were before the day started both overall and per category.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:51 am

LOL. This group is never going to be satisfied and at this point I am just giving up and taking what is out there and will try to get used to it. But having said that, when I work with stats for my projections and my cheat sheet I use the following orders.

AB H R HR RBI SB AVG

IP W S K ERA WHIP

Just my personal preference.

[ April 14, 2010, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Plymouth ]

swampass · Post by **swampass** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:51 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

That's not the point.

The only point that matters is it makes sense to keep the categories that affect the game together.

Every other stat is ancillary when it comes to this contest.

Glenn cant agree more. i dont care about BB's and K's for my hitters. If i want to see them then i will leave my fantasy stats page and look at a box score. i dont want a box score jumbling up my fantasy stats. we are playing fantasy here. not reading box scores.

jaybvl · Post by **jaybvl** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:39 am

Originally posted by Plymouth:

LOL. This group is never going to be satisfied and at this point I am just giving up and taking what is out there and will try to get used to it. But having said that, when I work with stats for my projections and my cheat sheet I sue the following orders.

AB H R HR RBI SB AVG

IP W S K ERA WHIP

Just my personal preference. No doubt about it, this is how it should be. The only one that disagrees is KJ Duke.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:13 am

Originally posted by jaybvl:

No doubt about it, this is how it should be. Please spare me further details on things you have no doubt about how they should be.