Derek Holland

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun May 09, 2010 6:16 am

Originally posted by Ando:

Geoff/Greg,

Gekko raises a meaningful tangent in that both Holland and EY2 were both mentioned on Rotoworld on a Saturday night concerning their upcoming promotion to the big leagues in the coming days.

It appears to me that this may not be just a coincidence; it may be something to look at further. Holland was added by our stat provider last night. Fanball did not add him inadvertently. We are manually taking him out of the pool now. This is not the same problem we had with EY2, but it sure looks the same.

We are working on that now. I'm not sure why he was added when he wasn't called up. But we are fixing it.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 09, 2010 6:16 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

Why do I get the feeling that you already know the answer to this?

if i spend, $500 on an illegal pickup (not knowing he was illegal of course

), the player will have to be pulled from my team and bids rerun. Now imagine i happen to unknowingly do this in ALL my leagues.

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Sun May 09, 2010 6:20 am

Ando,

Are you saying that Ryan E. Houston is secretly playing in the NFBC under an assumed name and is secretly making the late Saturday adds and hoping no one notices?

He might need to move to Costa Rica.

viper · Post by **viper** » Sun May 09, 2010 7:35 am

So I am curious - Holland is still on my satellite league's free agent list. For someone who does not frequent this board, a claim can easily be made even now at 2:30pm. They may have contingent bids for other players and assume the really want another SP. What will happen? If they win and the pick is taken away, will waivers be rerun tomorrow. And if that happens, other players won by teams will be changed. I will set my lineup for Monday tonight based on my waiver wire pickups and I might not be at a computer until rosters have locked at 7pm. If I start this new pitcher who is no longer on my team, what happens?

E · Post by E » Sun May 09, 2010 8:22 am

Holland is still available in my league--classic weekend 2, online 1. It looks like he was not drafted.

I sense a foul up coming since it would be surprising if the 14 other teams will read the message board and know not to bid on Holland.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Sun May 09, 2010 8:42 am

You would think they'd remove him from the leagues asap so it will confuse as few people as possible. I sure would be pissed if I didn't check this message board because I was bidding on him in three of my leagues. This problem was identified several hours ago. Why does it take so long to make a simple correction?

McSwagger · Post by **McSwagger** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:06 am

It should not be on the team owners to NOT bid on a player. If a player is there, in the FAAB pool, he should be open for bidding. It's Fanball's responsibility to remove any player that should not be in the pool prior to the bids being placed. Confusion where confusion shouldn't be.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:25 am

Everyone, I heard from our IT department and this is being worked on. Although he is still showing as a free agent, Holland will not be awarded to anyone who has placed a bid on him. To reiterate, this is a problem caused by the information given to us from STATS. This was not an internal Fanball error. In any event, our IT team is working on everything to ensure Holland is not awarded to anyone tonight.

viper · Post by **viper** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:26 am

I guess I would only be upset if they actually awarded Holland to a team. I am not bidding on him solely because Greg said he was not available and I have no clue what sort of correction may be made for anyone who wins him in FAAB.

Off to my son's house for my wife's mothers day dinner. I won't know the final results until I get back about 9:00.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun May 09, 2010 9:33 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

To reiterate, this is a problem caused by the information given to us from STATS. This was not an internal Fanball error. Tom,

Any chance you have a name & number of a contact at STATS so I can give them a call tomorrow morning? Thanks.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Sun May 09, 2010 10:13 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

Everyone, I heard from our IT department and this is being worked on. Although he is still showing as a free agent, Holland will not be awarded to anyone who has placed a bid on him. To reiterate, this is a problem caused by the information given to us from STATS. This was not an internal Fanball error. In any event, our IT team is working on everything to ensure Holland is not awarded to anyone tonight. Even in league's that he's legally available?

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Sun May 09, 2010 10:17 am

again, i am surprised at the lack mof maturity in the leagues. It has been said that Holland will not be awarded. So, if someone not mon the board bids 325, he will not get him and the next guy on his list will be examined. whats the big deal. its the same as if Holland went to a higher bidder. wow, cool down will ya. there are no consequences.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Sun May 09, 2010 10:44 am

Originally posted by Spartacus:

quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

Everyone, I heard from our IT department and this is being worked on. Although he is still showing as a free agent, Holland will not be awarded to anyone who has placed a bid on him. To reiterate, this is a problem caused by the information given to us from STATS. This was not an internal Fanball error. In any event, our IT team is working on everything to ensure Holland is not awarded to anyone tonight. Even in league's that he's legally available? [/QUOTE]If he is eligible to be a free agent, those bids will be awarded.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun May 09, 2010 12:41 pm

Originally posted by McSwagger:

It should not be on the team owners to NOT bid on a player. If a player is there, in the FAAB pool, he should be open for bidding. It's Fanball's responsibility to remove any player that should not be in the pool prior to the bids being placed. Confusion where confusion shouldn't be.

He's not being awarded in any league that he shouldn't be available in. Plain and simple. It's in our rules how players become available via free agency and a guy like Holland will be available next week and likely be a valued FAAB pickup with everyone having a chance at him. STATS put him in our player pool and now we're cleaning it up. It wasn't a simple solution with a system that is programmed to work with the players who are automatically added by our provider.

We apologize for his addition to the FAAB pool, but we aren't changing the rules to cover this mistake by our stat provider.

McSwagger · Post by **McSwagger** » Sun May 09, 2010 12:46 pm

Greg - I think the point I was trying to make wasn't made well. I completely agree that rules shouldn't and can't be changed.

What I was trying to say was if I go into the FAAB pool and see a player available, I shouldn't then have to go back and do a check on the Waiver History to make sure he was dropped at some point, which is what needed to be done with Holland.

At some point, and considering it's May, we need to rely on the system, people, whom-and-whatever, to have things accurate.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun May 09, 2010 12:50 pm

Originally posted by McSwagger:

Greg - I think the point I was trying to make wasn't made well. I completely agree that rules shouldn't and can't be changed.

What I was trying to say was if I go into the FAAB pool and see a player available, I shouldn't then have to go back and do a check on the Waiver History to make sure he was dropped at some point, which is what needed to be done with Holland.

At some point, and considering it's May, we need to rely on the system, people, whom-and-whatever, to have things accurate. I totally agree with you and I'm sick of these Sunday's too. But I think we've already said STATS made him eligible in our lists. This was an automated addition to our player pool during the night that we are now cleaning up. We had this automated to our rules and we're still cleaning up a mess. It stinks for EVERYONE.

And of course, it makes it look like another Fanball error. And like many have said, not every owner may be aware of this, but we are doing what we can to let folks know. All followup bids will be processed if Holland is still listed and run properly.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun May 09, 2010 1:13 pm

It looks like this ran properly. I saw a couple of leagues where Holland was bid on and it did not allow this to go through. I see winning bids under Waiver History now. Let me know if you see any problems, but looks like bids ran on time.

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Sun May 09, 2010 1:37 pm

Holland was awarded in my 3/24/10 - $250 Satellite. He was not drafted.

EDIT - False alarm. Holland was drafted in my league.

[ May 09, 2010, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Jules Winnfield ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Sun May 09, 2010 1:51 pm

Originally posted by Jules Winnfield:

Holland was awarded in my 3/24/10 - $250 Satellite. He was not drafted. Jules can you email me with your real name so we can look into this? My email is [email protected]. Thanks.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sun May 09, 2010 3:21 pm

Greg, Come on! Fanball gets our money. Don't pawn off the blame to Stats! I paid fanball to run the contest. If fanball farms out some of the work fanball is still at fault. Saying its Stats

fault just makes fanball look even worse. Maybe the problem goes above your IT dept? Maybe those rumors of layoffs with Ryan E. getting a promotion were true???? Just saying.