John Ely

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:14 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

If Glenn had told me that we weren't consistent in our ruling of the Player Pool this year, I would have been disappointed. As he stated, it's been consistent all year long and you also realized that when you bid and won John Ely in leagues yesterday. At no point did you question why he was there or at any other point this season. Nor has anyone else with a player who was promoted to the big leagues and left in the player pool.

Tom and I set the Player pool guidelines with IT when we developed the game. These are our guidelines. We honestly didn't believe we were making a change. Nor do we think the other way was better, if that's the way it was. Why would anyone want us deleting bids during the week or making the player pool more difficult to understand?

As we intended and apparently didn't translate clearly enough was a player pool that allowed pickups once a player is called up. That allows everyone a fair shot at a callup and if he goes back to the minors everyone has the same risk of adding him and storing him on reserve while he's in the minors. It makes for a better free agent pool and an easier to understand player pool.

They get added to an MLB team, they are eligible to be picked up. Nothing in the rules states otherwise. Everyone who got Ely and any other minor-league callup this year had the same shot at him as every other league member. And that's the way it should be.

We will define the player pool as Glenn suggested. We won't need to delete bids individually by league when someone gets sent down, during the week, no less. It's a more fluid player pool. I don't see how the umpteenth other league could be better, if that's how it was. ok, this makes more sense. i sure wish it came out like this before the season started. i didn't know Ely was a "possible problem" until I emailed Tom last night BEFORE FAAB ran.

and yes, i agree, this "updated" rule is much more user friendly (provided people know about it). thanks for the clarification.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:15 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

I don't believe you, much like with Padilla. as if anyone cares

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:16 pm

Like I said....

Ely called up, problem goes bye-bye.

Glenn

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:17 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Like I said....

Ely called up, problem goes bye-bye.

Glenn what problem?

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:18 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Like I said....

Ely called up, problem goes bye-bye.

Glenn how many leagues did you get him in Glenn? Also, do you think Torre lied about the injury to Charlie in order to bring Ely back?

Money · Post by **Money** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:18 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

and he doesn't watch games yet seems to know when guys are warming up or what announcer say on the broadcast. the only time i watches games is if they are on at the gym while i'm working out or if i'm flipping channels and i watch a half inning. games are actually very boring to watch. feel free to believe me or not. doesn't matter to me, only to you [/QUOTE]We all know he watched Padilla opening day. Go back and check the e mail trail. Kind of funny because he probably wins hands down by doing the honorable thing as most did, but just had to have the extra advantage.

Good luck getting the Lindy, the insurance company will have a field day.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:20 pm

Originally posted by Fast Money:

We all know he watched Padilla opening day. Go back and check the e mail trail. Kind of funny because he probably wins hands down by doing the honorable thing as most did, but just had to have the extra advantage.

Good luck getting the Lindy, the insurance company will have a field day. blah, blah, blah. sorry Dead Money. Maybe you Quack and Jack shuld all get a room to admire each other

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:26 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Like I said....

Ely called up, problem goes bye-bye.

Glenn how many leagues did you get him in Glenn? Also, do you think Torre lied about the injury to Charlie in order to bring Ely back? [/QUOTE]I didn't get him in any leagues Mark...my sights were elsewhere.

I think Torre is too senile to lie...he may have just forgotten....

Good luck with Ely. If he has a good start tomorrow, he should be an even hotter pickup next week.

Glenn

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:28 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Good luck with Ely. If he has a good start tomorrow, he should be an even hotter pickup next week.

Glenn not sure if i even started him (have 14 teams). i think i did. he might even get two starts this week. probably get destroyed in arizona though!

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:29 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

I think Torre is too senile to lie...he may have just forgotten....

the only way Ely could be brought back to the majors thi week was if a player went on the DL. bang, injury to Haeger like clockwork!

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:35 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

ok, this makes more sense. i sure wish it came out like this before the season started. i didn't know Ely was a "possible problem" until I emailed Tom last night BEFORE FAAB ran.

And I explained to you what the rule was and why it was in place. At no point during our email conversation did you question it or say we had made a major rule change that was causing you unrest nor did you direct any anger at me, Greg or Fanball. You seemed quite happy to learn that your bid for Ely would be accepted if you were the high bidder. Only now are you angry about the way the situation unfolded. Forgive me, but I find this turnaround in behavior to be a bit puzzling.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:45 pm

If it doesn't go Gekko's way, it must be wrong and a screwjob...rinse and repeat his childish behavior.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Mon May 10, 2010 4:07 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I'm stunned he hasn't called you a sheep, or a tail, or some other name yet.

tail is reserved for you jack. [/QUOTE]Isn't the tail right behind the ahole? Yeah, you are right, I must be following you around.

Oh wait, I forgot this

[ May 10, 2010, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: The Mighty Men ]

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Mon May 10, 2010 4:26 pm

Guys give GEKKO some credit.....I do believe he does not watch games nor look @ da standings.......he's too busy on these message boards w/ garbage post after garbage post in the thousands under numerous posting accounts.

FANBALL, a request.....can we ignore posts here as we do in the Diamond Challenge game?

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:15 pm

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

ok, this makes more sense. i sure wish it came out like this before the season started. i didn't know Ely was a "possible problem" until I emailed Tom last night BEFORE FAAB ran.

And I explained to you what the rule was and why it was in place. At no point during our email conversation did you question it or say we had made a major rule change that was causing you unrest nor did you direct any anger at me, Greg or Fanball. You seemed quite happy to learn that your bid for Ely would be accepted if you were the high bidder. Only now are you angry about the way the situation unfolded. Forgive me, but I find this turnaround in behavior to be a bit puzzling. [/QUOTE]Tom,

Please. In regards to me questioning why Ely was available, you said in an email, "if a player was on the 40-man at any time this season he is eligible."

THAT'S WRONG AND IT'S STILL WRONG. THERE ARE LOTS OF MINOR LEAGUERS CURRENTLY ON THE 40 MAN ROSTER THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE BID ON. THE 40 MAN ROSTER BY ITSELF HAS ZERO TO DO WITH FREE AGENTS.

and as i mentioned on the boards i hadn't had enough time to research the boards to find posts from Greg and others detailing how the process worked in prior years. i was busy trying to get my bids in.

and at no time during our email exchange did you ever mention that this year's rule is different than prior year's rule.

[ May 11, 2010, 05:20 AM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:16 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

If it doesn't go Gekko's way, it must be wrong and a screwjob...rinse and repeat his childish behavior. stalker #1

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:16 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

I'm stunned he hasn't called you a sheep, or a tail, or some other name yet.

tail is reserved for you jack. [/QUOTE]Isn't the tail right behind the ahole? Yeah, you are right, I must be following you around.

Oh wait, I forgot this [/QUOTE]stalker #2

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Tue May 11, 2010 12:47 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

[QUOTE]

I'M TIRED OF GETTING RAPED BY FANBALL, NOW BY YOU. Psychopath #1

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Tue May 11, 2010 1:45 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

ok, this makes more sense. i sure wish it came out like this before the season started. i didn't know Ely was a "possible problem" until I emailed Tom last night BEFORE FAAB ran.

And I explained to you what the rule was and why it was in place. At no point during our email conversation did you question it or say we had made a major rule change that was causing you unrest nor did you direct any anger at me, Greg or Fanball. You seemed quite happy to learn that your bid for Ely would be accepted if you were the high bidder. Only now are you angry about the way the situation unfolded. Forgive me, but I find this turnaround in behavior to be a bit puzzling. [/QUOTE]Tom,

Please. In regards to me questioning why Ely was available, you said in an email, "if a player was on the 40-man at any time this season he is eligible."

THAT'S WRONG AND IT'S STILL WRONG. [/QUOTE]Mark, I said that if a player was on the major league roster at any time this season he was eligible to be bid on. That is correct and it is how the rule was written and we have consistently enforced this rule since the beginning of the season. There has been no inconsistency and no wavering of any kind. I also explained to you why the rule is in place (which Greg has also explained in this thread). Again, if we made a mistake in not being more clear with the wording then we apologize for that and will take steps to clarify the rule's meaning and intent.

I'm sorry that you're unhappy. I mean that. I hope that should you get a moment to calm down, you'll understand why the rule is in place and perhaps focus on all of the positives that have occurred in our event since our problematic first week. If you can't do that and you can't enjoy the season that you're having there isn't much more we can do I suppose. Greg and I and everyone at Fanball are committed to making this season a good one. That's our goal. Hopefully at some point you'll decide to join us.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Tue May 11, 2010 2:30 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

Roll Call! Steve? Shawn? Dan? Lance? John Crane? I'm here. I've been avoiding threads that will suck the life out of me.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Tue May 11, 2010 2:50 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:

Roll Call! Steve? Shawn? Dan? Lance? John Crane? I'm here. I've been avoiding threads that will suck the life out of me. [/QUOTE]I would hate to see anyone run off the boards because of this season’s early missteps.

Dan, I haven’t seen anything from you for a couple weeks. You know I’m a fan; whether it’s ‘Stuff’, ‘Junk’, or ‘1951’. Hell, I was thinking about posting ‘Not the real Stuff’ just so I could read some stuff.

And to anyone else, keep posting. I may not be a prolific poster, but I read them all and enjoy the varied points of view presented here.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Tue May 11, 2010 3:06 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:

Roll Call! Steve? Shawn? Dan? Lance? John Crane? I'm here. I've been avoiding threads that will suck the life out of me. [/QUOTE]You are showing far better judgment than me.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue May 11, 2010 3:10 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:

Roll Call! Steve? Shawn? Dan? Lance? John Crane? I'm here. I've been avoiding threads that will suck the life out of me. [/QUOTE]I would hate to see anyone run off the boards because of this season’s early missteps.

Dan, I haven’t seen anything from you for a couple weeks. You know I’m a fan; whether it’s ‘Stuff’, ‘Junk’, or ‘1951’. Hell, I was thinking about posting ‘Not the real Stuff’ just so I could read some stuff.

And to anyone else, keep posting. I may not be a prolific poster, but I read them all and enjoy the varied points of view presented here. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Russel, but Mark is stating that the game has run some of these posters off. Maybe it's the venom posts that he and others make that keeps people away. Who wants to post on these boards when the potential for being personally attacked is there on a constant basis? I mean, it was funny in 2002 before the WCOFF ran that off their boards and it was funny in 2004 when he did it and then won the $100,000 grand prize in football, but haven't we all matured by now? Isn't it time to move past the personal name calling of your opponents, especially when you're first overall in the contest? Did you ever see Terry Haney or Bobby Jurney or Artie Rastelli do that? No, they are classier than that.

I'd hate to think that I've run off RT or Dan or Quahogs or King of Queens or anyone else off the boards because of our early season struggles. Many of my top guys asked me to promise them we'd get this right and save them time if they took multiple teams. I've taken heat and lost friendships over the early problems, but we've contintued to move forward and improve the site. Yes, we have more to do and I hear every suggestion. But we are doing our best and not giving up.

This is your playground, so everyone can play or some can play or nobody can play. Heck, there's another contest where nobody posts. No bad. No good. No nothing. I need me some of that stuff.

Take the money and never monitor the boards. Sounds like a job I can handle.

But we're better than that here. We want informative and entertaining content on the boards before the season -- well before the season -- and we want it during the season. We want it from folks when they are winning and even when they are struggling. Look at Wayne Edwards, always analyzing his team through good or bad and always trying to help others through his mistakes or good picks. That's what we've always had here and hopefully those who Mark is calling out as leaving because of me won't take the bait. He said it with pride, like the people he talked to left the boards because they can't take it anymore. If that's true, I apologize. Hopefully they are using the extra time to improve their teams and they will return in time.

Come back when you like the NFBC again. In the meantime, we'll keep improving the game for you.

DoubleX · Post by **DoubleX** » Tue May 11, 2010 5:24 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Dickie V:

I agree Kof Q. This was not the way this was handle in the past.

after talking with a number of high stakes vets, along with the poster on here. the way Greg is interpreting the rule this year IS DIFFERENT THAN HE DID IN PAST YEARS.

TRANSLATION: fanball backed greg into a corner by not being able to remove players from the free agent pool. PREVIOUSLY ILLEGAL PLAYERS ARE NOW DEEMED LEGAL WITH THE WAVE OF A WAND.

this year has been a complete and utter mess from fanball's end. i wonder what other rules greg will be forced to break or bend before the season is over. i believe i'm doing very well in the contest, but the integrity of the nfbc has been greatly reduced. very, very disappointed. [/QUOTE]It was reduced the first day of games when you and others were allowed to bench Cy Pedilla after he was getting lit up.

For a guy that worked the system to benefit yourself to the max you sure BITCH a ton.

Minus 1000 fanbucks every time sebro uses the word Integrity in this contest - now that is something that should be added the rules.

-Jim

Juan LYB · Post by **Juan LYB** » Tue May 11, 2010 6:27 am

Really? Why the need for 7+ pages on John Ely? Imagine we'll have War And Peace on our hands when Bumgarner gets the call.

As an NFBC newbie, so much of this is unreadable. Is this the norm?