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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:44 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Ando:

Apparantly your reliable sources of "The Official" MLB website of the Bravos and the Bravos' active roster reside in the same trash bin!



;) let's see what Greg's investigation shows. i'm guessing Fanball forgot to manually add Minor back into the FAAB pool.
[/QUOTE]I don't think that happened, but again I'll get our time log too after FAAB is done and make this official. I've asked for that, but haven't heard back from our guys yet.
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Post by RichV » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:50 am

I've stayed pretty quiet through this season's trials and tribulations. The errors in the FA list almost weekly suggests one of two things need to happen. Someone (or two) people need to be at work, monitoring the FA list Saturday night through Sunday morning to make damn sure the FA list is absolutely correct every week, or, if this isn't possible, (which seems to be the case, as it's August and the list still has errors almost weekly), Change the rule next year and allow all minor leaguers in the player pool.

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Post by JohnP » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:51 am

Originally posted by Ando:

FYI,



I am in a few Home League that are run by CBS Sports. They show Minor as called up on Sunday, August 8th. Also, they show Kawakami as farmed out on Saturday, August 7th. From the same CBS....



The Braves purchased the contract rookie SP Mike Minor from Triple-A Gwinnett on Saturday. Minor, the No. 7 overall draft pick in 2009, will make his first major-league start Monday at Houston. (Updated 08/07/2010).



Looks like everyone but Stats has this transaction on Saturday including Major League Baseball and the Atlanta Braves.

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Post by Gekko » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:52 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I haven't heard back from the IT guys yet, but it looks like CBS updated this at 2:31 pm, so that would make sense. Thanks. They have to officially be on an MLB roster to make our player pool, so this makes sense.

why was Minor sent on the STATS feed to

Fanball earlier this week?

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Post by Gekko » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:55 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I don't think that happened, but again I'll get our time log too after FAAB is done and make this official. I've asked for that, but haven't heard back from our guys yet. let's see what your guys come up with. i'm also interested in finding out from John Z if his STATS feed included Minor in it.



hell, this thread might push me enough to contact the Braves PR department tomorrow to get it right from the horse's mouth. a couple emails should do the trick.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:58 am

Originally posted by RichV:

I've stayed pretty quiet through this season's trials and tribulations. The errors in the FA list almost weekly suggests one of two things need to happen. Someone (or two) people need to be at work, monitoring the FA list Saturday night through Sunday morning to make damn sure the FA list is absolutely correct every week, or, if this isn't possible, (which seems to be the case, as it's August and the list still has errors almost weekly), Change the rule next year and allow all minor leaguers in the player pool. What needs to happen is the software has to work EXACTLY as I'm asking it to work. It's not an impossible task to complete and I think we have it down now. You can have any set of guidelines and make it right if it's programmed right. We found what was allowing these pitchers to get in earlier than they should have on Friday and stopped that. Way too long, but we think we have it now.



If folks want all minor-leaguers all the time, get ready for HUGE free agent lists. We can discuss the merits good and bad of that on another thread. That wasn't the problem here.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:00 pm

Originally posted by Trash Man:

quote:Originally posted by Ando:

FYI,



I am in a few Home League that are run by CBS Sports. They show Minor as called up on Sunday, August 8th. Also, they show Kawakami as farmed out on Saturday, August 7th. From the same CBS....



The Braves purchased the contract rookie SP Mike Minor from Triple-A Gwinnett on Saturday. Minor, the No. 7 overall draft pick in 2009, will make his first major-league start Monday at Houston. (Updated 08/07/2010).



Looks like everyone but Stats has this transaction on Saturday including Major League Baseball and the Atlanta Braves.
[/QUOTE]I think we all agree that there were a lot of reports last night of the Braves calling up Minor. Maybe they officially did that, but it's also possible it officially happened with MLB today and that's why he wasn't added in time to our free agent pool. This isn't the first time we've seen a late callup or an injured guy on Thursday miss our 7 am deadline the next day. MLB transactions move more slowly than those reported on the Internet.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:02 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I haven't heard back from the IT guys yet, but it looks like CBS updated this at 2:31 pm, so that would make sense. Thanks. They have to officially be on an MLB roster to make our player pool, so this makes sense.

why was Minor sent on the STATS feed to

Fanball earlier this week?
[/QUOTE]The loophole we had involved minor-league pitchers only. I'm not sure why it was happening, but someone said they saw how that was happening, fixed the problem and took him out very quickly. He said it won't happen again, that it's fixed.
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Post by JohnP » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:12 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Trash Man:

quote:Originally posted by Ando:

FYI,



I am in a few Home League that are run by CBS Sports. They show Minor as called up on Sunday, August 8th. Also, they show Kawakami as farmed out on Saturday, August 7th. From the same CBS....



The Braves purchased the contract rookie SP Mike Minor from Triple-A Gwinnett on Saturday. Minor, the No. 7 overall draft pick in 2009, will make his first major-league start Monday at Houston. (Updated 08/07/2010).



Looks like everyone but Stats has this transaction on Saturday including Major League Baseball and the Atlanta Braves.
[/QUOTE]I think we all agree that there were a lot of reports last night of the Braves calling up Minor. Maybe they officially did that, but it's also possible it officially happened with MLB today and that's why he wasn't added in time to our free agent pool. This isn't the first time we've seen a late callup or an injured guy on Thursday miss our 7 am deadline the next day. MLB transactions move more slowly than those reported on the Internet.
[/QUOTE]So we can't agree that mlb.com is a reliable / accurate source of information as it pertains to transactions? I will be amazed if Stats has this thing as a Sunday transaction.

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Post by Quack & Willy » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:17 pm

so what we are saying is that the Software is failing?

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Post by waiverwire » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:28 pm

It seems like the problem here is that you have an official rule about eligibility AND you rely on STATS as the ultimate authority. Either you should have a rule based on when the players are called up (and monitor it like crazy) OR just make the rule that whoever you get from STATS is included, regardless of their status...more like the somewhat arbitrary player lists available from Yahoo. You're putting yourselves in a tough position by having two potentially conflicting parts to the rule.

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Post by ToddZ » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:32 pm

DISCLAIMER: I don't KNOW this to be the case. But I have served as SWAT (Secretary of Waivers and Transactions) for a few of the more prestigious industry leagues and the time-stamping of transactions has always been a HUGE point of contention.



What I do know is there is no single on-line site that is official. Sites miss transactions, don't have them occurring on the same day, etc. To their credit, mlb.com has really improved in this area, but they are still not an official source of transaction in the truest sense of the word. They will list all the transactions, but the time stamp may not be perfect.



What I learned was often, a manager or GM would announce "we are putting Smith on the DL and calling up Jones" during the post-game presser. Or perhaps "we are sending down Adams and calling up Green to start the first game of tomorrow's doubleheader."



They may in fact file the paperwork, likely faxing it into the MLB office in NYC, but it may not get PROCESSED until the next day. This time lag between paperwork getting filed and processed was the root of a few time-stamp flare-ups in the industry leagues.



As you can imagine, some of the participants in these leagues work in the real MLB industry, have press passes, inside info, etc. To get an edge, I would get moves based on the announcement in a press conference or an interview that had not yet made it to print or TV.



Again, I do not KNOW that the issue with Minor is filing the move with MLB versus processing. But I do know it could be the problem.



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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:40 pm

Originally posted by waiverwire:

It seems like the problem here is that you have an official rule about eligibility AND you rely on STATS as the ultimate authority. Either you should have a rule based on when the players are called up (and monitor it like crazy) OR just make the rule that whoever you get from STATS is included, regardless of their status...more like the somewhat arbitrary player lists available from Yahoo. You're putting yourselves in a tough position by having two potentially conflicting parts to the rule. Most contests get their player lists from this reliable source and STATS gets official lists from MLB. It's no different than how we've received them since 2004. Either 1) he wasn't officially added to the player pool before 7 am ET by the Braves and MLB; or 2) we are at fault. STATS is just the middle man relaying the information to us.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:41 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

so what we are saying is that the Software is failing? On the Hudson add, yes, the software failed. And we had to manually correct it.
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Post by Money » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:48 pm

I started this thread and am probably naive and dumb. I just wonder why I can see him in the pool but not be able to bid on him if he hasn't been up all year? Doesn't matter at this point, everyone knows the status and no one had an unfair advantage.
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Post by JohnZ » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:42 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

He's available in every league I play in but this one. :confused:



So many problems caused by this stupid rule.



If someone wants to have 7 ML's on their team, I don't care. The bench is too thin with no IR and whatever you try to stack your bench with (ML/SP/CL in waiting, backups for all) in this game leaves you short somewhere else. It would ADD to the strategy. John, was he available because of the rules of those games or because those companies got the same feed from STATS and had him available?



I assume by your post above you are referring to our rule about not allowing all minor-leaguers to be picked up at any time during the season. That is a different issue entirely. Again, you believe that creating a free agent pool of every available player is good and allowing owners to hoard minor-leaguers as long as they want is good. I understand that. Some people agree, some don't. But that's a different discussion. I feel strongly that in a no-trade league giving everyone equal access to an undrafted player is a big part of our game. In fact, that is why everyone wants Mike Minor in the pool today because he is so special and nobody had the foresight to draft him and keep him during the season.



Again, I have no problem with that discussion, but as Mark is asking, if you think STATS had him eligible in those games by 7 am ET today and not in ours, then we really have to issue an apology. Was that the case?
[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if Stats is the provider in all the other games or not.



Because I'm not healthy enough at the moment to risk getting too upset, I try to stay off this site as much as possible. I missed out on a FA three weeks ago because I could not out wait the IT dept at the deadline due to a dinner obligation.



Because I read on mlb.com transactions that he was officailly called up Saturday, and I have seen you post links from that site, I figured he would be available today.



The gist of my response was a solution to the problem.



Everyone would have equal access to him if he was available to all, all the time. He would have already been picked up and waived several times, just like Brett Wallace has been picked up three times in my main event.



And if someone picks him up two weeks ago for a $1, then kudos to him for doing more homework than myself. There is a huge risk in carrying any ML'ers if they don't get called up due to only seven non-active slots.

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Post by Quack & Willy » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:07 pm

Lineups are still locked after 9pm Eastern?

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:12 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Lineups are still locked after 9pm Eastern? I'll email IT.
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Post by Gekko » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:26 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Lineups are still locked after 9pm Eastern? I'll email IT. [/QUOTE]9.26pm still no access to lineups.



is this really happening??

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Post by Quack & Willy » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:36 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Lineups are still locked after 9pm Eastern? I'll email IT. [/QUOTE]Greg, is this not automated as well?

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Post by Red Sox Nation » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:45 pm

This is so frustrating. 3 weeks in a row we haven't been able to set lineups at 9PM EST.
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Post by Gekko » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:50 pm

is it any wonder why no one trusts Fanball...

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Post by Quack & Willy » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:51 pm

day game tomorrow too, with the early deadline for that game....sigh

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Post by JohnP » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:53 pm

How was Mike Minor picked up in Vegas league 2? I checked the transaction log and didn't see him dropped at any point this year so I assume he wasn't drafted. On top of all that he shows up as a MI on the transaction free agent pick up log for that league.



God Our Team Sucks! Waiver Pickup Mike Minor MI 8/08/2010 8:02 PM ET

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Post by E » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:56 pm

9:56pm and no access to lineups still...lovely.

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