Possible NFBC Rules Changes For 2011

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:23 am

Okay, we're gearing up for the 2011 NFBC season and looking at possible rules changes. I've already created a separate thread on the IP minimum and will look for feedback there. But outside of the IP minimum, are there other areas of the rules you'd like to see addressed?

I think one that has been brought up involves the setting of your Friday lineups. We should make that consistent with the Monday lineup deadline and make it five minutes before the first game for starters of any early games and then five minutes before the 7 pm ET games for the rest of your starters. That is an easy change to make and we'll make it.

Obviously we'll change the way we handle callups from the minors. In 2011, we'll allow players in the free agent pool once they have played one game in the majors. That should eliminate the timestamp on when MLB officially calls up a player. This will eliminate all controversy going forward. Once that player plays in an MLB game, the next morning he will be eligible to be picked up via free agency. Easy. Done.

Are there other changes you'd like to see? Post them here and we'll discuss. Thanks.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:50 am

One thing i would like to see is the ability to have a higher bid on the conditional bid than the main bid. We didnt have the ability before but now we do so this seems like a no brainer.

bustouts · Post by **bustouts** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:29 am

I know many have always been against daily moves, but in the past I have suggested the following with no response. To make it more like real baseball and make it as fair and as competitive as possible, we should be allowed to make line up changes anytime Major league DL moves are involved. If one of your players is placed on the DL on a Tuesday, for example, you should be able to activate a player from your reserve roster to replace him before that days game. If one of your players is activated off the DL midweek, you should be able to put him in your lineup immediately. With many of our leagues going down to the wire with many categories ridiculously close it just makes sense that these changes should be allowed.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:24 am

I'd like to see the ability be given to swap out starting pitchers who haven't pitched yet by Friday. This was discussed previously on another thread and would allow players to compensate for pitchers who've had their starts moved back or skipped while still not allowing for the streaming of pitchers.

Glenn

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:18 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

I'd like to see the ability be given to swap out starting pitchers who haven't pitched yet by Friday. This was discussed previously on another thread and would allow players to compensate for pitchers who've had their starts moved back or skipped while still not allowing for the streaming of pitchers.

Glenn I have Pitcher ‘A’ scheduled to start on Friday

I have Pitcher ‘B’ scheduled to pitch on Monday and Saturday. I don’t like Pitcher B’s Monday matchup.

I start Pitcher “A” M-R then replace him on Friday with Pitcher “B” because “A” hasn’t pitched yet.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:13 am

I'd be against the rule.

If a game starts at 10 A.M., P.S.T., Friday, it would leave few hours for folks to make the change. Even in a best case scenario of 7 P.M. on Friday, every player would have to log on every Friday, since Fanball couldn't process the non-pitching pitcher till Friday morning.

Not a very user friendly rule.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:24 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I'd be against the rule.

If a game starts at 10 A.M., P.S.T., Friday, it would leave few hours for folks to make the change. Even in a best case scenario of 7 P.M. on Friday, every player would have to log on every Friday, since Fanball couldn't process the non-pitching pitcher till Friday morning.

Not a very user friendly rule. Agreed. I don't see a need for any of these suggestions except the higher conditional bid. There is no good reason not to allow that.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:20 pm

I would like to see the 3RR option for baseball as in football. It all depends on the year but if most people are going to put #1 as their first KDS choice this may have some validity.

Just a thought to add another wrinkle.

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:24 pm

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

I'd like to see the ability be given to swap out starting pitchers who haven't pitched yet by Friday. This was discussed previously on another thread and would allow players to compensate for pitchers who've had their starts moved back or skipped while still not allowing for the streaming of pitchers.

Glenn I have Pitcher ‘A’ scheduled to start on Friday

I have Pitcher ‘B’ scheduled to pitch on Monday and Saturday. I don’t like Pitcher B’s Monday matchup.

I start Pitcher “A” M-R then replace him on Friday with Pitcher “B” because “A” hasn’t pitched yet.

[/QUOTE]Also, there is nothing differentiating a starter from a reliever, so you could take advantage of a closer not getting any appearances in the first half of the week and take him out for a starter on Friday.

Nothing wrong with the intent of the rule, makes sense, but it just has more holes than swiss cheese.

Chameleon · Post by **Chameleon** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:25 am

I've said it once on these boards, and I'll say it again. Vikery system for FAAB.

I should not have to make repeated visits to my Fortune Teller on weekend mornings to give me guidance on what to bid for a player. Someone should do a study on all the FAAB that has been left on the table as a result of the -- sorry -- idiotic system the way it currently stands. In all the time I've been playing the NFBC, which is since the beginning, I've yet to hear a valid, reasonable argument about why we DO NOT use Vickery. Everyone benefits, in every possible way.

Under Vickery, if you "step up" and really want a player, you get him, without paying more than a dollar more than neccessary.

Cheers, knowing that it won't happen -- again.

Layin'theSmackDown · Post by **Layin'theSmackDown** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:56 am

just my 2 faab but i dont see how the vickery system would be relevant in nfbc where every team has a fixed budget that they have to spend or they lose it with no return.

vickery would help you save face by not overbidding and give you more faab dollars to spend in the future. however everyone else will also have more faab to spend too so the end result would just be an increase in the average cost per player and maybe an increase in waiver activity while perhaps reducing the skill involved in gauging the marketplace.

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:37 am

Bid for draft position from FAAB.

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:41 pm

Originally posted by bustouts:

I know many have always been against daily moves, but in the past I have suggested the following with no response. To make it more like real baseball and make it as fair and as competitive as possible, we should be allowed to make line up changes anytime Major league DL moves are involved. If one of your players is placed on the DL on a Tuesday, for example, you should be able to activate a player from your reserve roster to replace him before that days game. If one of your players is activated off the DL midweek, you should be able to put him in your lineup immediately. With many of our leagues going down to the wire with many categories ridiculously close it just makes sense that these changes should be allowed. I agree. I've always thought the best way to remove "luck" from the equation, is to allow daily moves.

Increase roster spots from 30 to 35, and change to daily moves. That is my rec.

bustouts · Post by **bustouts** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:52 am

I agree. I've always thought the best way to remove "luck" from the equation, is to allow daily moves.Increase roster spots from 30 to 35, and change to daily moves. That is my rec.

I'm not saying daily moves but at least the ability to make the appropriate DL moves. Even if a move is made too late for , say a Tuesday transaction, you can still make the move the next day and not have to get 0 stats until Friday or use a lesser player.

freddiezee · Post by **freddiezee** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:32 am

I know this isn't a rule change but where are you planning on having NFBC drafts in 2011? I know you expanded in football but wasn't sure if baseball expansions are in the plans too. Also, do you plan on two weekends of drafts again or just one? My apologizes if this information was already posted but I didn't see it.

As for rule changes, I like Friday pitcher switches for any pitcher that hasn't entered a game in the current week. I know that will allow people to manipulate two-start pitchers but that's not too big of a deal - it's part of managing your team. I'm against daily moves but a little expansion of Friday's is OK by me. It sucks when you find out on Tuesday that your pitcher has been scratched with no previous warning.

On the IP, I definitely think it should go up. At least 900 - 1000 would be fine too. Starting pitchers are a key part of baseball and fantasy baseball and teams shouldn't be winning money by ignoring them. An IP maximum is a bad idea. If you draft a closer, he loses his job and then you don't win any bids on other closers you shouldn't be forced to use middle relievers just to keep your innings down.

I don't think we should go Vickery on FAAB. If we did I think it should only apply to bids over $200. Tout Wars (100 budget) only applies Vickery to bids over 10 - a similar plan. I would make it more strict than they do, hence 200 instead of 100.

One other rule change to consider - what about one DL slot? It gives a little extra help to an owner of Utley, Ellsbury etc. when they have a couple other injuries on top of that. I hit a point with my main event team where I had so many guys on the DL that I had a very small true "bench".

viper · Post by **viper** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:28 am

two things I like about the NFBC are (1) no trading and (2) no daily moves. I like the Friday hitting lineup changes and would be OK with Friday pitching changes but, for me, daily moves would cause me to leave. I don't want to devote each and every day to checking and adjusting lineups. I did ESPN UBER Wars leagues for years and that was my single biggest reason to leave ESPN league.

viper · Post by **viper** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:39 am

as far as innings pitched requirements, I think a bump to something like 900 would be a good idea but I don't really have a strong opinion.

The problem with a lower IP requirement is that no one should really do it in the main event but it can work in the Satellites. I have suggested to many who I know that are interested in the NFBC main event that they should compete in a few satellite leagues to get a feel for no trading, weekly lineups, FAAB and the such. If you are in leagues with teams looking at just making the minimum IP requirement that ability to learn how the main event works is negated.

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:09 pm

I like to see drafts go beyond round 30. I would prefer to manage teams with more than ONLY 7 taxi spots.

SlackerDan · Post by **SlackerDan** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:45 am

I would love to see the utility slot be used for either a hitter or a pitcher. Would make more sense if a person wants to target pitching stats for the week, etc ....

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:02 am

I'd like to see a rule penalizing any team that surpasses over a 150 point lead in any overall contest with instant disqualification from the event.

Think of it as something akin to the HR-limit rule in some organized softball leagues. There, any blast over the fence is a home run...up to six per game. From the seventh shot over the fence on, it's considered an automatic out. I believe this rule was put in place to circumvent the obtaining of too many ringers on any one team and to achieve competitive balance. Seems fair to me.

Feel free to implement this rule immediately as I believe we may already have an offender.

Glenn

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:11 am

Originally posted by SlackerDan:

I would love to see the utility slot be used for either a hitter or a pitcher. Would make more sense if a person wants to target pitching stats for the week, etc .... I'll let all of the ideas flow out before commenting or getting involved, but I think some of these are a little out there. I love the basic concept of the NFBC, the tough 30-man roster, no DL, tough decisions with hitters and pitchers. But I agree we could shore up a few other areas of the NFBC and that's what this thread is for. Thanks all.

jim.s · Post by **jim.s** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:40 pm

Set KDS position by an auction of FAAB rather than randomly. This could be done at least for the higher value leagues. This is done in a private league I play in and is a great feature. There are sevral ways you could run the auction -- the simplest would be a sealed FAAB bid with highest getting first pick, second highest second etc. Alternatively you could have a live online auction for each KDS slot.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:54 pm

Besides the FA change, I don't see any reason to mess with the rest of the NFBC rules. The format here is great. Hate to see rules changed just for the sake of change. That said, I wouldn't be against a 900 IP minimum.

More important to me than any rule changes, I'd rather see web site enhancements....

1. Live standings sortable by category.

2. Team stats where I can see my player's last 7/14/21/28 games.

[ September 21, 2010, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: RichV ]

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:47 pm

I vote for rules like twice a week hitting changes be mentioned before April 6th of that current season.

I also vote for NFBC to happen.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:04 am

I like the idea that hitting moves can ONLY be made if someone in your lineup is placed on the DL. The move can be made any day MON-SUN.

This way there is flexibility for all to avoid the dreaded Monday DL trip and we keep the game in line with the original Roto rules instead of swerving towards daily transactions.

Under the above rules I would definitely take on more teams because management times would be reduced tremendously without the friday moves to ponder.