Liriano-no???

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Tue May 03, 2011 2:53 pm

Danny Valencia just made a great play to end the 7th! If you can - log on to the Twins game and see if Liriano can finish the job.

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:15 pm

Mourneau with a great scoop at first to get the first out of the 9th.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:19 pm

Good thing he's sitting on my bench. I hate you.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:37 pm

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

Good thing he's sitting on my bench. I hate you. In my Carlos Pena moment of 2011, he's on my bench for the 1st time this season. I hate him more.

Atlas · Post by **Atlas** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:41 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

Good thing he's sitting on my bench. I hate you. In my Carlos Pena moment of 2011, he's on my bench for the 1st time this season. I hate him more. [/QUOTE]I really was going to sit him! Last minute I decided that the ChisSox were in too big a slump not to run it.

My heart dropped when I heard it and had to rush in to see if I had him in!!

And I'm still 14th in ERA! Sheesh.

ScottieBaseball · Post by **ScottieBaseball** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:50 pm

Of course, I drop him and he does this!

swampass · Post by **swampass** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:53 pm

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

Good thing he's sitting on my bench. I hate you. im with you.. liriano on bench.... HATE..ha.. thats an understatement at this point... i doubled my pain by pitching vogelsong instead.... F-ing Sweet

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:54 pm

Originally posted by ScottieBaseball:

Of course, I drop him and he does this! I hope you're kidding b/c if you really did drop him you should just stick to football...in fact change your name to ScottieFootball

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Tue May 03, 2011 7:56 pm

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

quote:Originally posted by ScottieBaseball:

Of course, I drop him and he does this! I hope you're kidding b/c if you really did drop him you should just stick to football...in fact change your name to ScottieFootball [/QUOTE]I didn't watch any of this game but with 6 BB, 2 K, and only 66 strikes out of 123 pitches, I see more rough times ahead.

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Tue May 03, 2011 8:41 pm

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:

quote:Originally posted by ScottieBaseball:

Of course, I drop him and he does this! I hope you're kidding b/c if you really did drop him you should just stick to football...in fact change your name to ScottieFootball [/QUOTE]I didn't watch any of this game but with 6 BB, 2 K, and only 66 strikes out of 123 pitches, I see more rough times ahead. [/QUOTE]This is the NFBC. If you're going to drop a player that you drafted (in Liriano's case, say rd 6-7) AND, more importantly has displayed dominant skills (like just last yr), then be my guest. I wish that I was in a league where Liriano was dropped.

True story. Last yr I know a guy who spent the farm to pick up Wandy after his disgusted owner dropped him. Guy won his league thx to solid contribution from Wandy in 2nd half.

Point is, you don't drop a SP of Liriano's caliber in April

*Another true story (just remembered, but perfect for this subject) a few yrs ago you may recall CC Sabathia was horrible after 1st month of season. I could be wrong, but I believe his ERA was even higher than Liriano's was. In my 1 small league that allows trades, Sabathia's owner got rid of him for a song. CC ended up w/ 17 wins (11 for MIL after mid-season trade) 2.70 ERA 1.11 WHIP and 251 K's!

[ May 04, 2011, 02:57 AM: Message edited by: rockitsauce ]

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Wed May 04, 2011 2:46 am

The worst part is that Liriano wasn't really any good last night. 6 BBs, 2 Ks. Barely half his pitches for Ks. It's not like he's "fixed"

ScottieBaseball · Post by **ScottieBaseball** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:06 am

This really wasn't a true no hitter since he did it against a lowly White Sox team who haven't done anything yet this year. I still think I made the right decision. They were about ready to send him down to the minors! We will see.

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Wed May 04, 2011 4:29 am

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:

quote:Originally posted by ScottieBaseball:

Of course, I drop him and he does this! I hope you're kidding b/c if you really did drop him you should just stick to football...in fact change your name to ScottieFootball [/QUOTE]I didn't watch any of this game but with 6 BB, 2 K, and only 66 strikes out of 123 pitches, I see more rough times ahead. [/QUOTE]This is the NFBC. If you're going to drop a player that you drafted (in Liriano's case, say rd 6-7) AND, more importantly has displayed dominant skills (like just last yr), then be my guest. I wish that I was in a league where Liriano was dropped.

True story. Last yr I know a guy who spent the farm to pick up Wandy after his disgusted owner dropped him. Guy won his league thx to solid contribution from Wandy in 2nd half.

Point is, you don't drop a SP of Liriano's caliber in April

*Another true story (just remembered, but perfect for this subject) a few yrs ago you may recall CC Sabathia was horrible after 1st month of season. I could be wrong, but I believe his ERA was even higher than Liriano's was. In my 1 small league that allows trades, Sabathia's owner got rid of him for a song. CC ended up w/ 17 wins (11 for MIL after mid-season trade) 2.70 ERA 1.11 WHIP and 251 K's! [/QUOTE]For every Wandy there's an Oliver Perez. Francisco Liriano had ONE great half season 5 years ago and ONE good season last year. Right now he's looking a lot more like the 2009 version. CC is a poor example cause CC has/had a much better track record than Liriano's inconsistent success.

Where a player is drafted and what he did last year are completely irrelevent once the games start and a new season is underway.

Last night's no-hitter saw him throw only 11 first pitch strikes to the 30 batters he faced on a struggling White Sox team. He also allowed more fly balls than ground balls.

Would I personally drop him? It depends on what my team construction is and who I'd be replacing him with. You have to consider that if dropped, someone is going to bite and blow a large portion of their FAAB while taking on his miserable ratios. It's a potential win-win if you think he'll continue to struggle.

Sure, he could figure it out like Wandy, Latos, or Scherzer did last year. Or he could be Oliver Perez, Andrew Miller, Rich Hill, or Francisco Liriano circa 2009. As for unwritten NFBC rules, I doubt you'll hear much fuss if/when Liriano is dropped in future leagues. He hasn't showed anything thus far of being worth a 5th-6th round pick and the Twins have options to replace him. What have you seen thus far that makes you so bullish?

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Wed May 04, 2011 12:22 pm

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

What have you seen thus far that makes you so bullish? [/QB]well, last night he threw a no hitter

Seriously though, I agree w/ much of what you said, you make a decent argument to drop him I suppose. You're probably right that one should not compare Liriano to CC, but I think Oliver Perez is just as far off the mark.

Bottom line is, call it a hunch I don't know, but I think Liriano (and Twins) will turn it around soon. This has nothing to do w/ the fact that I am a Mauer/Morneau owner