Hosmer

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:19 pm

PS - If Rolen's mystery injury turns out to be worse than they are publicly saying, mr juan francisco is the player you want for this year (3B, masher, hitters ballpark). you can still get him for cheap as he is still on DL. hopefully he'll be coming off next week.

ALL ABOARD!!

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:21 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

PS - If Rolen's mystery injury turns out to be worse than they are publicly saying, mr juan francisco is the player you want for this year (3B, masher, hitters ballpark). you can still get him for cheap as he is still on DL. hopefully he'll be coming off next week.

ALL ABOARD!! :rolleyes:

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:22 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

PS - If Rolen's mystery injury turns out to be worse than they are publicly saying, mr juan francisco is the player you want for this year (3B, masher, hitters ballpark). you can still get him for cheap as he is still on DL. hopefully he'll be coming off next week.

ALL ABOARD!! :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:24 pm

a whole lot of eye rolling now..

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:24 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

a whole lot of eye rolling now.. Juan Francisco Las Vegas March 18 Auction CC's Desperados $46

Juan Francisco Las Vegas Second Weekend Main Event League 1 CC's Desperados $46

Juan Francisco Las Vegas Second Weekend Main Event League 4 Guess Who? LV $2

Juan Francisco Las Vegas Second Weekend Main Event League 6 The Hello Kitties $2

looks like mr childs placed his bet this past sunday (and it was a rather significant bet)

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:27 pm

well shuckie durn...i guess i'm all in for Mr. Francisco

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:28 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

well shuckie durn...i guess i'm all in for Mr. Francisco nah...go all in on hosmer for $300+ AND get francisco for around $20.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:29 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

well shuckie durn...i guess i'm all in for Mr. Francisco nah...go all in on hosmer for $300+ AND get francisco for around $20.

[/QUOTE]call me stupid...but i don't need either...

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu May 05, 2011 11:58 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

PS - If Rolen's mystery injury turns out to be worse than they are publicly saying, mr juan francisco is the player you want for this year (3B, masher, hitters ballpark). you can still get him for cheap as he is still on DL. hopefully he'll be coming off next week.

ALL ABOARD!! :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]:rolleyes: :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Hmmmm, interesting. Mr. Gekko makes an appearance on this thread. The ultimate hype artist (you are the same guy who hyped Willie Bloomquist as a $400 steal a few weeks ago, aren't you?) in lieu of doing what you always do and hype a player who is ultimately hype-able, instead try to deflect the conversation to who? Juan Francisco? Who? That tells me all I need to know on Mr. Kowalski's thoughts and intent in regards to Hosmer.

Mark, there's only a few differences between Hosmer & Francisco.

1- Health.

2- A clear path to short term let alone season long playing time.

3- TALENT!

My guess is you're planning on breaking the bank on Hosmer. Well, looking at what Smoak & Ike Davis went for this time last year, you may have to revisit your recent past and pull a Scherzer to get it done. Good luck Bud, hope you get him.

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Fri May 06, 2011 12:36 am

I'll stick by what I said. As for saving money until the end, I don’t think so. Me thinks - You spend hundreds on an unproven rookie and he busts or is just avg, you then run out of money or become gun shy with bids later on- 20 weeks to go still. How do ALL the people who have already spent hundreds on Bloomy, Fuld, Et al feel and what do they have now? Answer - nothing more than $10-20 could have gotten them. It's obvious to me who on these boards who are the hypsters, which BTW is fine with me, But I would ask why? I'd be interested in knowing what your reasoning is for overhyping and stating what certain players will go for in advance of the bidding? Could it be trying to focus the bidding away from players they may want that week? Could it be to get lesser or inexperienced or newer players to blow their money?

All Just my opinion though

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

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Originally posted by Outlaw:

no 21 yr old rookie is worth anything near 100.00

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Ummmm, how old were Jason Heyward, Starlin Castro, and Mike Stanton last year?

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Glenn, just let Outlaw save his $ to the end of the year. No problem. He get a SOLID 30 days of Stats from a September callup (maybe).

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri May 06, 2011 1:01 am

Originally posted by Outlaw:

It's obvious to me who on these boards who are the hypstersIt's obvious to you? After less than two months on these boards? It's obvious to me that you like to make absolute statements of fact with no supporting information.

Anyone with more than a few weeks on these boards knows that I typically take the opposing view when the hype machine starts flowing. My responses were not about hyping Hosmer, believe me he doesn't need it. 99% of the players who play the NFBC are more than aware of who Hosmer is, what he brings to the table, and what he doesn't.

The initial post on this thread was a question asking what he will likely go for in FAAB. I answered the question with my posts and gave supporting facts that are easily verified to back my responses.

I responded to your initial post because I thought it ummm let's say naive (the original word I was going to use was ridiculous) to say that no 21 year old rookie is worth a $100 bid. Again, I backed up my response with three examples from just last year proving how far off-base was your statement. You come back with Fuld and Bloomy? How are they comparable to Hosmer, or the examples I gave of sub 21-year old rookies from last year in Heyward, Stanton, or Castro who were all easily worth $100 bids if available?

I always enjoy and welcome a good message board debate. Just please come with the table with some goods next time.

[ May 06, 2011, 07:03 AM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

Cobb · Post by **Cobb** » Fri May 06, 2011 1:49 am

Glenneration 'Hype Machine' X...I like it, has a nice ring to it. Couldn't be further from the truth, but I'm going to rock it anyway!

I smell a Gekko Scherzer bid coming for Hosmer...

team z · Post by **team z** » Fri May 06, 2011 1:59 am

I bid 400 on Stanton last year. I won the bid in my league. I'm still not sure he was worth it. He spent a lot of weeks sucking. Which brings up the question:

Is Hosmer a better power prospect then Stanton?

My team BA was bad and Stanton didn't help. So perhaps you have to first really look at your team before you bid. Or maybe it's worth it just to keep him off your opponents team?

I will not be breaking the bank for EHOS because

I picked up Trumbo last week for 3. It seems he's sticking around longer than I thought he would and MS is talking about some OF time for him. If Trumbo can match Hosmer's playing time it will be interesting to see how the numbers compare at the end.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:08 am

Glenn...

1. I'm hoping Hosmer goes for $500+

2. It's obvious you are hyping him in this thread. Don't play mr innocent.

3. It sounds like your agenda is for ME specifically not to get Hosmer, which is why you specifically called me out, saying i was heavily invested in KK and the like. Again, just don't act like mr innocent when you have devious intentions. we are all big boys here.

4. Hosmer is hitting what .500!!! I'd up the bids to $600. Last of the best minor league hitter left. could hit 25hr with a .320 avg the rest of the way. STRONG BUY!!!!

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:13 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by Outlaw:

no 21 yr old rookie is worth anything near 100.00 Ummmm, how old were Jason Heyward, Starlin Castro, and Mike Stanton last year? [/QUOTE]Certainly they were all worth $100, but $400 or $500?

Castro had a shiny .300 BA, but otherwise gave you virtually nothing - 10 steals, 3 HRs, average Runs and RBIs

Heyward - basically the most hyped position prospect in the last decade - hit .277 with 18 HRs, 83 runs, and 72 RBIs. An average OF for fantasy purposes.

Stanton may have been the closest to worth it depending on your need.

It will be interesting.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:18 am

Originally posted by team z:

I bid 400 on Stanton last year. I won the bid in my league. I'm still not sure he was worth it. He spent a lot of weeks sucking. Which brings up the question:

Is Hosmer a better power prospect then Stanton?

My team BA was bad and Stanton didn't help. So perhaps you have to first really look at your team before you bid. Or maybe it's worth it just to keep him off your opponents team?

I will not be breaking the bank for EHOS because

I picked up Trumbo last week for 3. It seems he's sticking around longer than I thought he would and MS is talking about some OF time for him. If Trumbo can match Hosmer's playing time it will be interesting to see how the numbers compare at the end. Hosmer is nowhere near the power prospect that Stanton is. Not even close. Hosmer's unlikely to hit for significant power this year IMO.

Really, no prospect in recent memory is the power prospect Stanton is. Hosmer is likely to be a much better hitter though. I think a fair upside comparison is Hosmer to Stanton = Votto to Ryan Howard.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:23 am

hosmer OPS THIS YEAR ---> 1.107

the guy is incredible. maybe 30hr is in reach this year?

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:33 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

Glenn...

1. I'm hoping Hosmer goes for $500+

2. It's obvious you are hyping him in this thread. Don't play mr innocent.

3. It sounds like your agenda is for ME specifically not to get Hosmer, which is why you specifically called me out, saying i was heavily invested in KK and the like. Again, just don't act like mr innocent when you have devious intentions. we are all big boys here.

4. Hosmer is hitting what .500!!! I'd up the bids to $600. Last of the best minor league hitter left. could hit 25hr with a .320 avg the rest of the way. STRONG BUY!!!! Mark, my first post in response to the original question in this thread was stating he will be "overbid" and compared the dynamic to the Justin Smoak bids last year, likely the biggest FAAB flop of last season. In a followup post, I stated that even though I'll be bidding on Hosmer, I would not be bidding 500 on him even if I had the FAAB to afford it. Why would I make those statements if I was trying to hype the player? If you actually "read" my posts, they're all about what Hosmer is likely to go for (the original question), not what I personally believe he is worth.

I'm not going to turn this thread into a referendum on whether I'm a hype artist or not. I believe it to be just further deflection by you because you want Hosmer just sooooo bad!!!

[ May 06, 2011, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:34 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

hosmer OPS THIS YEAR ---> 1.107

the guy is incredible. maybe 30hr is in reach this year? Fun with numbers!!

LOL. He has a .500 BABIP at AAA, which, if sustained would be about 100 points higher than any ML hitter in a generation.

He has 3 HRs in 118 PA and an isolated power number of .143. Other ML hitters currently sporting a .143ish ISO include such 30 HR hitters as Coco Crisp, Freddie Freeman, Jose Reyes, and Emilo Bonifacio.

[ May 06, 2011, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: Hells Satans ]

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:36 am

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by team z:

I bid 400 on Stanton last year. I won the bid in my league. I'm still not sure he was worth it. He spent a lot of weeks sucking. Which brings up the question:

Is Hosmer a better power prospect then Stanton?

My team BA was bad and Stanton didn't help. So perhaps you have to first really look at your team before you bid. Or maybe it's worth it just to keep him off your opponents team?

I will not be breaking the bank for EHOS because

I picked up Trumbo last week for 3. It seems he's sticking around longer than I thought he would and MS is talking about some OF time for him. If Trumbo can match Hosmer's playing time it will be interesting to see how the numbers compare at the end. Hosmer is nowhere near the power prospect that Stanton is. Not even close. Hosmer's unlikely to hit for significant power this year IMO.

Really, no prospect in recent memory is the power prospect Stanton is. Hosmer is likely to be a much better hitter though. I think a fair upside comparison is Hosmer to Stanton = Votto to Ryan Howard. [/QUOTE]I agree that if bidding on Hosmer in the hopes of Stanton type power, disappointment is the likely result. Where he'll almost certainly surpass Stanton is in batting average protection. I like the comps Bob, you work for BP?

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:37 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by team z:

I bid 400 on Stanton last year. I won the bid in my league. I'm still not sure he was worth it. He spent a lot of weeks sucking. Which brings up the question:

Is Hosmer a better power prospect then Stanton?

My team BA was bad and Stanton didn't help. So perhaps you have to first really look at your team before you bid. Or maybe it's worth it just to keep him off your opponents team?

I will not be breaking the bank for EHOS because

I picked up Trumbo last week for 3. It seems he's sticking around longer than I thought he would and MS is talking about some OF time for him. If Trumbo can match Hosmer's playing time it will be interesting to see how the numbers compare at the end. Hosmer is nowhere near the power prospect that Stanton is. Not even close. Hosmer's unlikely to hit for significant power this year IMO.

Really, no prospect in recent memory is the power prospect Stanton is. Hosmer is likely to be a much better hitter though. I think a fair upside comparison is Hosmer to Stanton = Votto to Ryan Howard. [/QUOTE]I agree that if bidding on Hosmer in the hopes of Stanton type power, disappointment is the likely result. Where he'll almost certainly surpass Stanton is in batting average protection. I like the comps Bob, you work for BP? [/QUOTE]No, I just don't feel like doing real work today.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:41 am

Originally posted by team z:

I bid 400 on Stanton last year. I won the bid in my league. I'm still not sure he was worth it. He spent a lot of weeks sucking. Which brings up the question:

Is Hosmer a better power prospect then Stanton?

My team BA was bad and Stanton didn't help. So perhaps you have to first really look at your team before you bid. Or maybe it's worth it just to keep him off your opponents team?

Very good post and similar in theory to what I posted earlier. Need plays a huge role in what someone is willing to bid on certain players in FAAB. In the post I alluded to, I stated that one of the reasons I believe Hosmer will be overbid is that all the corner infield injuries have created an abundance of "need".

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:44 am

I always say " Don't ask the question/s unless you can afford the answers. You have correctly identified me as a new/ first time this year. My point is how is a "ROOKIE" worth hundreds, or 500 or more? As for Hosmer I picked him up 2 weeks ago in three other non NFBC leagues. I'm sure if he was available in NFBC leagues prior to him being brought up, some players would have picked him up in the past 2-3 weeks for well under a 100.00. I've seen people on this board hype players, state what they will go for, state things like blast-off, vroom, etc... I've checked whether they won those players they hyped and most didn’t. Who knows if they even bid.

So I'll say to all the newbies like me, don't believe any of the hype on these boards and what others think any player may go for. Make your own judgments and in my naive opinion, Hosmer isn’t worth hundreds, let alone 500 or more, but again that’s just my naive opinion. Will I bid on him, yes, but I won’t win him, unless others in my league are not paying attention.

I've got a little program that I run to track ROI based on dollars bid and none of those three players you gave as examples justified hundreds of dollars in bids. But again, it’s just my naïve opinion and program.

AB R H 1B 2B 3B HR RBI BB KO SB CS BA

Heyward, Jason 520 83 144 92 29 5 18 72 91 128 11 6 0.2769

Stanton, Mike 359 45 93 49 21 1 22 59 34 123 5 2 0.2591

Castro, Starlin 463 53 139 100 31 5 3 41 29 71 10 8 0.3002

As for Castro- over 30 SS performed better than him in Fantasy last year. Names like Keppinger, Pennington inf,ante, peralta, Bettencourt.... Castro would’ve helped with Avg, but what else?

As for Heyward, who was up all year too, about 35 OF's performed better than him in Fantasy last year, names like Span, Jones, Jones, Byrd, Pagan, Huff... Heyward would’ve been ok for avg, and decent 4/5 OF.

As For Stanton- over 90 OF's per performed better than him in Fantasy last year. I won’t even name those names and some of them can be had now in various leagues for probably a dollar. Stanton I suppose would’ve helped with HR's, but what else?

So were these players worth hundreds, In my naive opinion- no.

As for Hosmer I see this 400 AB's, 60 runs, 5 SB, 12 HR, 60 RBI .290 avg. and that’s only if he doesn’t go the way of most rookies or as What happened to Belt this year. So I'll leave it up the 500 dollar bidders to determine if he’s worth 500 Dollars.

I’m just learning here now as newbie, but I’m learning fast not to believe any Hype here.

Originally posted by Outlaw:

It's obvious to me who on these boards who are the hypsters

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It's obvious to you? After less than two months on these boards? It's obvious to me that you like to make absolute statements of fact with no supporting information.

Anyone with more than a few weeks on these boards knows that I typically take the opposing view when the hype machine starts flowing. My responses were not about hyping Hosmer, believe me he doesn't need it. 99% of the players who play the NFBC are more than aware of who Hosmer is, what he brings to the table, and what he doesn't.

The initial post on this thread was a question asking what he will likely go for in FAAB. I answered the question with my posts and gave supporting facts that are easily verified to back my responses.

I responded to your initial post because I thought it ummm let's say naive (the original word I was going to use was ridiculous) to say that no 21 year old rookie is worth a $100 bid. Again, I backed up my response with three examples from just last year proving how far off-base was your statement. You come back with Fuld and Bloomy? How are they comparable to Hosmer, or the examples I gave of sub 21-year old rookies from last year in Heyward, Stanton, or Castro who were all easily worth $100 bids if available?

I always enjoy and welcome a good message board debate. Just please come with the table with some goods next time.

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:49 am

BTW- With all respect to friendly Bantar - it is obvious to me after only 2 months here who the Hypsters are...

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:51 am

Mark, I can't respond to your PM because you're mailbox is full.