Why March Madness makes no sense!

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:22 am

Looking at the NFFC and seeing they are spliting the events between hotels got me wondering. Why does it have to be the weekend of March Madness?

A week before offers the betting on the championship weekend. Most of us are showing up for the baseball draft. Not the college basketball! Does waiting one more week offer that much more? No rosters have been set. It would give Stats another week to get it together. It makes more sense to have this thing a week before with the chance of better hotel openings. Does NY or Chicago really care if its a week before? Feel free to jump on this If I'm wrong.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:55 am

My preference would be to see the draft take place the week-end before the season opener as March Madness means little to me, like you say, we are there for baseball and in the case of Vegas, a little gaming. I have now drafted in Vegas and Chicago and found being in Chicago to be a bit too quiet for my tastes. My concern with doing the draft closer to the opener is that the current process of getting all the draft data entered is too cumbersome and prone to error. NFBC is in need of a technology upgrade for the drafts. STATS too has their troubles and if we increase the number of teams, getting all the team and free agent data entered in a timely and accurate fashion seems unlikely.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:16 am

I agree with Walla. Can't see why we need to be in Vegas on the expensive weekend when we don't have much time to watch college basketball anyway.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:19 am

NFBC needs the time to enter 25 leagues, have them checked by all the teams and make the necessary corrections. With a week to go some post every hour "is it done yet?, is it done yet?" Can you imagine the chaos if the season were about to start shortly after the draft.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:24 am

JP, I was saying a week before. Not a week after.

An extra week would help not hurt the setup.

Balticsquids · Post by **Balticsquids** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:29 am

Holy Cow , i actually agree with walla and Bjob ///////but on a serious note , i understand there point about hotels and such , not that i draft in vegas i keep it local. My only suggestion about NY. is keep it out of these so called big name hotels such as the hilton , i found it to be a complete rip off and i didnt even stay there as some owners did

gigglin marlin · Post by **gigglin marlin** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:34 am

I for one love the fact it is opening round of ncaa tourney. Being that weekend, it also allows some of us to meet with others for the long weekend in vegas who have little interest in fantasy baseball. It also creates more teams as I sponsored one for a pal and and one of the other two I meet played for the hell of it. Nothing wrong with a little dead money right.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:41 am

I for one love the fact it is opening round of ncaa tourney. Being that weekend, it also allows some of us to meet with others for the long weekend in vegas who have little interest in fantasy baseball. It also creates more teams as I sponsored one for a pal and and one of the other two I meet played for the hell of it. Nothing wrong with a little dead money right. I'll give a nickel to anyone who can follow and explain anything that this post says after the first sentence.

Balticsquids · Post by **Balticsquids** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:53 am

I agree with the fun it brings to vegas , but Vegas and any other citys get alot more fun with the xtra few hundred bucks u can save

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:05 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote: I for one love the fact it is opening round of ncaa tourney. Being that weekend, it also allows some of us to meet with others for the long weekend in vegas who have little interest in fantasy baseball. It also creates more teams as I sponsored one for a pal and and one of the other two I meet played for the hell of it. Nothing wrong with a little dead money right. I'll give a nickel to anyone who can follow and explain anything that this post says after the first sentence.

[/QUOTE]Chris meets old friends in Vegas who are going for the NCAA tourney. He likes it that weekend because they are there and he can hang out with them. In fact, he also tossed in the cash for a friend of his to draft a team who doesn't know much about fantasy baseball and one of his other friends bought a team just to hang out. He feels both of these friends have zero chance to win and are dead money, donating to the rest of us - but it was fun for him and his friends to share the event and the NCAA weekend.

Dave

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:06 am

You owe me a nickel

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:20 am

Good work on the translation there. I hope both of his friends are in LV 7. You could end up getting a lot more than a nickel out of this. If you really want it, shoot me your address.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:45 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

Good work on the translation there. I hope both of his friends are in LV 7. You could end up getting a lot more than a nickel out of this. If you really want it, shoot me your address. I'll let it accumulate interest until it hits a dime in 2018

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:00 am

Originally posted by Dyv:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

Good work on the translation there. I hope both of his friends are in LV 7. You could end up getting a lot more than a nickel out of this. If you really want it, shoot me your address. I'll let it accumulate interest until it hits a dime in 2018 [/QUOTE]Dyv, aren't you a financial advisor? Rule of 72 says 72 divided by 13 equals ~5.5%. That's pretty crappy interest for a long-term investment.

Patsy Dean · Post by **Patsy Dean** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:17 am

We have been doing Vegas March Badness for four years. The reason room rates were out of control was the CONEX Expo which is held every 5 years. '04 rates were 25% of this past years rates. Even with busier weeks, booking well in advance will save a lot of money. If the NFBC boys are locked in for '06 book as early as the casino will let you; or marry a degenerate gambler and get comped rooms. Caesaers Palace made out well on Dave's "free" room.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:36 am

My train of thought on this issue was getting a hotel where you could stay and also do all the drafts. I left the Rio at 4:30 in the morning on Sunday. The line for the taxi's was about fifty people. No taxi to be found. I made it to the airport on time only because I got offered a ride in a Limo by the guy standing next to me. I think thats crazy. I think a week earier and that wouldn't happen. As it stands Greg said they are having a hard time nailing down a hotel. Many want a strip hotel. Its not going to happen if we continue on March Madness weekend.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:51 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Dyv:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

Good work on the translation there. I hope both of his friends are in LV 7. You could end up getting a lot more than a nickel out of this. If you really want it, shoot me your address. I'll let it accumulate interest until it hits a dime in 2018 [/QUOTE]Dyv, aren't you a financial advisor? Rule of 72 says 72 divided by 13 equals ~5.5%. That's pretty crappy interest for a long-term investment. [/QUOTE]Not many good investments with 5 cent minimums

Let me see if Berkshire Hathaway will let me in...

[ April 02, 2005, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Dyv ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:55 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I think a week earier and that wouldn't happen. As it stands Greg said they are having a hard time nailing down a hotel. Many want a strip hotel. Its not going to happen if we continue on March Madness weekend. Well, as I've often said John, don't bet against me!

We're working hard on the hotel situation. I can get one on the Strip, but I'm trying to do it by eating the meeting room cost and not MAKING every NFBC participant stay at my hotel and pay for my food and beverage minimums. It's not easy when Strip hotels normally ask for $55 per person per day minimums in F&B and a hotel room each night. Few people understand that.

The NFBC will NEVER host their draft three weeks before Opening Day. That's far too early and allows luck to creep into the equation too much. Yes, two weeks before Opening Day is still early and injuries still happen after our drafts, but it's the perfect length of time to allow us to enter all of the leagues, check all 450-player rosters for each league and still allow a FAAB period before Opening Day. It's always going to be busy in Las Vegas during the first weekend of the NCAA tournament, but this year was a crazy exception with ConExpo in town. I hope to have our hotel secured very early for 2006 and everyone can plan accordingly, or join us in a different city if LV is just too crazy for their liking.

But operationally, two weeks before Opening Day makes the most sense. Hmmmm, maybe the NCAA would move March Madness back a week!

Ask them to move it for us.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:36 am

A week earlier makes no sense to me. With so many roster changes the last weeks of Spring training it's bad enough drafting two weeks before opening day, three weeks before opening day the rash of injuries, trades, and demotions could ruin your draft.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:00 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I think a week earier and that wouldn't happen. As it stands Greg said they are having a hard time nailing down a hotel. Many want a strip hotel. Its not going to happen if we continue on March Madness weekend. Well, as I've often said John, don't bet against me!

We're working hard on the hotel situation. I can get one on the Strip, but I'm trying to do it by eating the meeting room cost and not MAKING every NFBC participant stay at my hotel and pay for my food and beverage minimums. It's not easy when Strip hotels normally ask for $55 per person per day minimums in F&B and a hotel room each night. Few people understand that.

The NFBC will NEVER host their draft three weeks before Opening Day. That's far too early and allows luck to creep into the equation too much. Yes, two weeks before Opening Day is still early and injuries still happen after our drafts, but it's the perfect length of time to allow us to enter all of the leagues, check all 450-player rosters for each league and still allow a FAAB period before Opening Day. It's always going to be busy in Las Vegas during the first weekend of the NCAA tournament, but this year was a crazy exception with ConExpo in town. I hope to have our hotel secured very early for 2006 and everyone can plan accordingly, or join us in a different city if LV is just too crazy for their liking.

But operationally, two weeks before Opening Day makes the most sense. Hmmmm, maybe the NCAA would move March Madness back a week!

Ask them to move it for us. [/QUOTE]Just an idea.... Tahoe!!