Greg, In your reply you stated i should just avoid the leagues with anonymous players. I COULD NOT CARE LESS how this affects me. I will play every league you offer, whatever the rules are because its something I enjoy.
Hello, This is spot on
One last point, if there remains a negative association to fantasy sports in some circles as you put it, doesn't the utilization of aliases or anonymous participants just add to that perception? Here we go again with an endless thread talking about how we as players are effected. After what this industry has been through recently, I just see that as short sighted.
The question should only be will this be a positive or negative to the event. I believe it will have negative consequences. I believe it will lessen future sign ups. I also believe it gives a shady appearance.
To be polite I earlier referred to the owners as the loud minority but the truth is the rule is about Mark ( maybe a couple others.)
Why in the world would a rule be created that caters to Mark. I do not know him, but I have seen his actions over the last years. This is a player who crucified you on the boards, skipped your football event for a competitor, intimidates people on the boards, threatens to quit.....Padilla....just a consistent negative impact on the contest. So now a rule that will create a negative impact on the contest for a player who creates negative impact on the contest.....just insanity
I am not asking to be sold on how I can utilize this rule or why it is ok. I would just like to hear what positives it brings to the NFBC.
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Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by TParsons:
Greg and Tom allowed it, so it's not different. You call the people that did it "smart". I call it shady. They knew that the DL rule was not intended to be used in that manner, yet they continued to exploit it anyways. If they had been honest and come to Tom and Greg immediately, perhaps it could have been closed before it got out of hand. Regardless, both were allowed by Greg and Tom, so they clearly didn't feel the same way you do. In fact, if I recall correctly, one of them verified that Mark's message was time-stamped before Padilla got lit up (I could be wrong). If you're going to be pissed, be pissed about the entire party involved. You guys pointing fingers at Mark alone are the jealous husband that is pissed at the guy his wife cheats with, but give the wife a free pass. It takes 2...
This happened almost 2 yrs ago. It happened and was allowed. Time to move on. TParsons - VERY good summary. {PS - if you haven't noticed some of the posters like to live in the past, even if it was two years ago. for some reason, they find it hard to move *** [/QUOTE]Who the hell brought it up in the first place? Someone takes the time to respond to something that YOU post and now they're the ones living in the past. Get a grip.
I could care less that Mark cheated then.....this thread was about some folks using aliases, and I could care less about that too. I do understand the ex: that Red Sox Nation provided and why it is a topic worth debating....just wish there was no need to go there. B/c from where I stand there isn't.
quote:Originally posted by TParsons:
Greg and Tom allowed it, so it's not different. You call the people that did it "smart". I call it shady. They knew that the DL rule was not intended to be used in that manner, yet they continued to exploit it anyways. If they had been honest and come to Tom and Greg immediately, perhaps it could have been closed before it got out of hand. Regardless, both were allowed by Greg and Tom, so they clearly didn't feel the same way you do. In fact, if I recall correctly, one of them verified that Mark's message was time-stamped before Padilla got lit up (I could be wrong). If you're going to be pissed, be pissed about the entire party involved. You guys pointing fingers at Mark alone are the jealous husband that is pissed at the guy his wife cheats with, but give the wife a free pass. It takes 2...
This happened almost 2 yrs ago. It happened and was allowed. Time to move on. TParsons - VERY good summary. {PS - if you haven't noticed some of the posters like to live in the past, even if it was two years ago. for some reason, they find it hard to move *** [/QUOTE]Who the hell brought it up in the first place? Someone takes the time to respond to something that YOU post and now they're the ones living in the past. Get a grip.
I could care less that Mark cheated then.....this thread was about some folks using aliases, and I could care less about that too. I do understand the ex: that Red Sox Nation provided and why it is a topic worth debating....just wish there was no need to go there. B/c from where I stand there isn't.
Always be closing.
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Originally posted by gigglin marlin:
Why in the world would a rule be created that caters to Mark. unless i'm missing something, ANYONE can use this option.
greg - why don't you just do away with Anonymous. i don't want to cause you any hardship
i (and others) will either choose not to play OR we will simply have a friend sign up, and then we'll draft the teams.
if we choose not to play, i'm sure Glenn X and Schinker will fill the void and sign up for an additional 20 or 30 leagues
Why in the world would a rule be created that caters to Mark. unless i'm missing something, ANYONE can use this option.
greg - why don't you just do away with Anonymous. i don't want to cause you any hardship
i (and others) will either choose not to play OR we will simply have a friend sign up, and then we'll draft the teams.
if we choose not to play, i'm sure Glenn X and Schinker will fill the void and sign up for an additional 20 or 30 leagues
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Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:
The best solution in my mind is that if you sign up, you sign up under your own name and if other players' names are made public, yours is too.
Still, I believe this is a fair first step to eventually eliminating this practice. I again don't believe too many leagues will fill with an "Anomymous" participant. Glenn - maybe you missed my earlier post...
if the "Anonymous" option goes away or is limited, i can see some of them just signing up through the use of a friend,esp for any league offered online.
if i'm playing this year, i might just go ahead and use that option from the start. each year i'll use a different friend. nothing anyone can do about it.
sure, i might not get any "props" from the fantasy community at the end of the year, but i don't play for that. i play to make money. if community acknowledgement comes along with it, that's a bonus. [/QUOTE]This if fine. As long as the registered owner name never gets changed, the registered owner is the one filling out the 1099, and the registered owner is the one who gets the rewards and notoriety, there's not much else you can do about it.
Mark, just because one may not be able to fully eliminate a bad practice doesn't mean one should sanction it.
quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:
The best solution in my mind is that if you sign up, you sign up under your own name and if other players' names are made public, yours is too.
Still, I believe this is a fair first step to eventually eliminating this practice. I again don't believe too many leagues will fill with an "Anomymous" participant. Glenn - maybe you missed my earlier post...
if the "Anonymous" option goes away or is limited, i can see some of them just signing up through the use of a friend,esp for any league offered online.
if i'm playing this year, i might just go ahead and use that option from the start. each year i'll use a different friend. nothing anyone can do about it.
sure, i might not get any "props" from the fantasy community at the end of the year, but i don't play for that. i play to make money. if community acknowledgement comes along with it, that's a bonus. [/QUOTE]This if fine. As long as the registered owner name never gets changed, the registered owner is the one filling out the 1099, and the registered owner is the one who gets the rewards and notoriety, there's not much else you can do about it.
Mark, just because one may not be able to fully eliminate a bad practice doesn't mean one should sanction it.
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Originally posted by rockitsauce:
Who the hell brought it up in the first place? it looks like Joe brought it up first, you brought it up 2nd and schinker brought it up 3rd. get a grip is right. 3 guys liv'n in the past.
Who the hell brought it up in the first place? it looks like Joe brought it up first, you brought it up 2nd and schinker brought it up 3rd. get a grip is right. 3 guys liv'n in the past.
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Originally posted by Glenneration X:
This if fine. As long as the registered owner name never gets changed, the registered owner is the one filling out the 1099, and the registered owner is the one who gets the rewards and notoriety, there's not much else you can do about it.
Mark, just because one may not be able to fully eliminate a bad practice doesn't mean one should sanction it. i have a couple friends in a lower tax bracket so this might work out better than i thought!
[ October 08, 2011, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]
This if fine. As long as the registered owner name never gets changed, the registered owner is the one filling out the 1099, and the registered owner is the one who gets the rewards and notoriety, there's not much else you can do about it.
Mark, just because one may not be able to fully eliminate a bad practice doesn't mean one should sanction it. i have a couple friends in a lower tax bracket so this might work out better than i thought!
[ October 08, 2011, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]
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Greg, Tom,
As a relative newbie, I tend to like clarity, simplicity, transparency, and fairness as outcomes from rule changes. It makes me feel more comfortable is I wade in with the more experienced players that abound here.
You are clearly going the right direction with rule changes regarding pitcher substitutions and the last-two-weeks rule elimination. These kind of actions will foster a more welcoming environment for new customers to join in the action.
On the other hand, I tend to dislike rules that offer unintended "loopholes" and negative consequences which more complicated rules can foster.
As I look at the proposed "Anonymous" sign up rule, I can see a least a couple possible bad outcomes or situations possible.
The first is if you allow the use of the Anonymous designation, you don't know how many people will participate and use it. Maybe a just a few, maybe more, and the number could grow with time. My fear would be that after a few years you could grow the number of Anonymous entrants to 5% to 10% to 15% or more, whilst your league signup-sheets began to look like the opaque balance sheet for a European bank. This would not be a welcoming environment for new and many existing customers.
A secondary problem is allowing people to move out of a league if a Anonymous owner moves into that league. (I don't think you allow owners to move from league to league now, and if you do this point is moot.) But by allowing them this loophole to move, they may move for other reasons, e.g. a desire to move to a league that they feel is less competitive. This could cause a typical eruption on the message boards...and bad feeling all around.
Granted, you want to take care of you current customer base, and those loyal customers include some you have been allowing to use aliases in the past.
But there are many existing customers that prefer no anonymity. They and most new customers want transparency. They want a feeling of trust and openness. There is already enough fear of the industry brought on by the WCCFB debacle, there is no need to bring on more.
I think you would be better served to be as transparent as possible in this environment, keep it simple, and avoid the sanctioning of aliases and anonymity going forward.
Robert
[ October 08, 2011, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Rainiers ]
As a relative newbie, I tend to like clarity, simplicity, transparency, and fairness as outcomes from rule changes. It makes me feel more comfortable is I wade in with the more experienced players that abound here.
You are clearly going the right direction with rule changes regarding pitcher substitutions and the last-two-weeks rule elimination. These kind of actions will foster a more welcoming environment for new customers to join in the action.
On the other hand, I tend to dislike rules that offer unintended "loopholes" and negative consequences which more complicated rules can foster.
As I look at the proposed "Anonymous" sign up rule, I can see a least a couple possible bad outcomes or situations possible.
The first is if you allow the use of the Anonymous designation, you don't know how many people will participate and use it. Maybe a just a few, maybe more, and the number could grow with time. My fear would be that after a few years you could grow the number of Anonymous entrants to 5% to 10% to 15% or more, whilst your league signup-sheets began to look like the opaque balance sheet for a European bank. This would not be a welcoming environment for new and many existing customers.
A secondary problem is allowing people to move out of a league if a Anonymous owner moves into that league. (I don't think you allow owners to move from league to league now, and if you do this point is moot.) But by allowing them this loophole to move, they may move for other reasons, e.g. a desire to move to a league that they feel is less competitive. This could cause a typical eruption on the message boards...and bad feeling all around.
Granted, you want to take care of you current customer base, and those loyal customers include some you have been allowing to use aliases in the past.
But there are many existing customers that prefer no anonymity. They and most new customers want transparency. They want a feeling of trust and openness. There is already enough fear of the industry brought on by the WCCFB debacle, there is no need to bring on more.
I think you would be better served to be as transparent as possible in this environment, keep it simple, and avoid the sanctioning of aliases and anonymity going forward.
Robert
[ October 08, 2011, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Rainiers ]
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Originally posted by Rainiers:
whilst your league signup-sheets began to look like the opaque balance sheet for a European bank.
whilst your league signup-sheets began to look like the opaque balance sheet for a European bank.
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Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by gigglin marlin:
Why in the world would a rule be created that caters to Mark. unless i'm missing something, ANYONE can use this option.
greg - why don't you just do away with Anonymous. i don't want to cause you any hardship
i (and others) will either choose not to play OR we will simply have a friend sign up, and then we'll draft the teams.
if we choose not to play, i'm sure Glenn X and Schinker will fill the void and sign up for an additional 20 or 30 leagues [/QUOTE]"I (and others) will either choose not to play" Please look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder in the DSM IV; who the hell cares if you play or not? Did you ever find the pins to stick in your head to deflate the EGO? Do you make sure to shelter yourself at the draft table so no one can view your cheat sheets? I just know whenever I prepare for a draft, I am wondering, what is Mark Scerbo thinking and who does he like. Guess what, never!!
quote:Originally posted by gigglin marlin:
Why in the world would a rule be created that caters to Mark. unless i'm missing something, ANYONE can use this option.
greg - why don't you just do away with Anonymous. i don't want to cause you any hardship
i (and others) will either choose not to play OR we will simply have a friend sign up, and then we'll draft the teams.
if we choose not to play, i'm sure Glenn X and Schinker will fill the void and sign up for an additional 20 or 30 leagues [/QUOTE]"I (and others) will either choose not to play" Please look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder in the DSM IV; who the hell cares if you play or not? Did you ever find the pins to stick in your head to deflate the EGO? Do you make sure to shelter yourself at the draft table so no one can view your cheat sheets? I just know whenever I prepare for a draft, I am wondering, what is Mark Scerbo thinking and who does he like. Guess what, never!!
"Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying."
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BTW, here is another psychiatric diagnosis you fit, it is part of Axis II disorders under the Cluster A classification:
Paranoid personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.0): characterized by irrational suspicions and mistrust of others.
Now the other, Narcissism falls under Cluster B:
Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81): a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.
enjoy
Paranoid personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.0): characterized by irrational suspicions and mistrust of others.
Now the other, Narcissism falls under Cluster B:
Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81): a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.
enjoy
"Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying."
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Originally posted by Glenneration X:
The reason is that I'd bet not too many players will sign up for a league that includes one or more of these players. I know I won't. hey jim christie - how come you didn't say the same thing to GlennX when he threatened to not play in some leagues?
christie - u sound like a big old hypocrite
[ October 08, 2011, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]
The reason is that I'd bet not too many players will sign up for a league that includes one or more of these players. I know I won't. hey jim christie - how come you didn't say the same thing to GlennX when he threatened to not play in some leagues?
christie - u sound like a big old hypocrite
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Originally posted by gigglin marlin:
Greg, In your reply you stated i should just avoid the leagues with anonymous players. I COULD NOT CARE LESS how this affects me. I will play every league you offer, whatever the rules are because its something I enjoy.
Hello, This is spot on
quote:One last point, if there remains a negative association to fantasy sports in some circles as you put it, doesn't the utilization of aliases or anonymous participants just add to that perception? Here we go again with an endless thread talking about how we as players are effected. After what this industry has been through recently, I just see that as short sighted.
The question should only be will this be a positive or negative to the event. I believe it will have negative consequences. I believe it will lessen future sign ups. I also believe it gives a shady appearance.
To be polite I earlier referred to the owners as the loud minority but the truth is the rule is about Mark ( maybe a couple others.)
Why in the world would a rule be created that caters to Mark. I do not know him, but I have seen his actions over the last years. This is a player who crucified you on the boards, skipped your football event for a competitor, intimidates people on the boards, threatens to quit.....Padilla....just a consistent negative impact on the contest. So now a rule that will create a negative impact on the contest for a player who creates negative impact on the contest.....just insanity
I am not asking to be sold on how I can utilize this rule or why it is ok. I would just like to hear what positives it brings to the NFBC. [/QUOTE]Chris, I respect your opinion, I respect you as a friend and I respect you as a fantasy player. But for you to assume that this rule is all about Mark is absurd. Do you really think I'd take all this s**t for one player? Do you think I'd stick my neck out like this for one player? Do you really think I'd be this stupid for one player?
As Kenny said, Mark would love you to think this rule is for him. With every ANONYMOUS listing everyone will think it's him. Heck, I've heard he's going to cut back on his participation this year, but he must be loving the fact that everyone thinks he will be in many, many leagues now. All of you on these boards have become OBSESSED with Mark Srebro and it's crazy.
Several owners who you know and respect have used an alias in the past. Sorry, but they have. For one reason or another in the early leagues, they didn't want their names shown. I have owners in their upper 60s who have requested to be unknown for personal reasons. You may think it's goofy, but it's true. There are many reasons why people have decided to sign up under another name and I've understood why they've wanted them. So it's not about 1 person, but it's also not about a dozen or more.
And remember, Glenn made a funny post that we wouldn't know who ANONYMOUS is if they win the $100,000 grand prize. That's not true. Most people aren't anonymous after Draft Day. Many use their log-in during the online draft and people know who they are. They just don't want to be listed on the Message Board lists for everyone in the world to see. But yes, some in the early satellites don't want their sleepers known and do sign up under a different log-in, something I couldn't stop if I wanted to. But no more aliases unless they create a whole new log-in; they're listed as ANONYMOUS on the main Message Boards and most people in the league will know their name once the draft begins.
The advantage of this?: It keeps some very, very good players in the NFBC without harming the event and allows other very, very good players to compete in more events than they would otherwise. Will we lose some people over this? Maybe, but I think everyone will see that there should be very few ANONYMOUS listings, unless people want to screw around with it. But like I said in the past, maybe it was used by maybe 5-7 people in years past for various reasons and I bet even fewer use it now that we have changed it this way.
Carry on all. I'll give you more important things to discuss starting on Monday. That's when we talk about a 12-team live event.
Greg, In your reply you stated i should just avoid the leagues with anonymous players. I COULD NOT CARE LESS how this affects me. I will play every league you offer, whatever the rules are because its something I enjoy.
Hello, This is spot on
quote:One last point, if there remains a negative association to fantasy sports in some circles as you put it, doesn't the utilization of aliases or anonymous participants just add to that perception? Here we go again with an endless thread talking about how we as players are effected. After what this industry has been through recently, I just see that as short sighted.
The question should only be will this be a positive or negative to the event. I believe it will have negative consequences. I believe it will lessen future sign ups. I also believe it gives a shady appearance.
To be polite I earlier referred to the owners as the loud minority but the truth is the rule is about Mark ( maybe a couple others.)
Why in the world would a rule be created that caters to Mark. I do not know him, but I have seen his actions over the last years. This is a player who crucified you on the boards, skipped your football event for a competitor, intimidates people on the boards, threatens to quit.....Padilla....just a consistent negative impact on the contest. So now a rule that will create a negative impact on the contest for a player who creates negative impact on the contest.....just insanity
I am not asking to be sold on how I can utilize this rule or why it is ok. I would just like to hear what positives it brings to the NFBC. [/QUOTE]Chris, I respect your opinion, I respect you as a friend and I respect you as a fantasy player. But for you to assume that this rule is all about Mark is absurd. Do you really think I'd take all this s**t for one player? Do you think I'd stick my neck out like this for one player? Do you really think I'd be this stupid for one player?
As Kenny said, Mark would love you to think this rule is for him. With every ANONYMOUS listing everyone will think it's him. Heck, I've heard he's going to cut back on his participation this year, but he must be loving the fact that everyone thinks he will be in many, many leagues now. All of you on these boards have become OBSESSED with Mark Srebro and it's crazy.
Several owners who you know and respect have used an alias in the past. Sorry, but they have. For one reason or another in the early leagues, they didn't want their names shown. I have owners in their upper 60s who have requested to be unknown for personal reasons. You may think it's goofy, but it's true. There are many reasons why people have decided to sign up under another name and I've understood why they've wanted them. So it's not about 1 person, but it's also not about a dozen or more.
And remember, Glenn made a funny post that we wouldn't know who ANONYMOUS is if they win the $100,000 grand prize. That's not true. Most people aren't anonymous after Draft Day. Many use their log-in during the online draft and people know who they are. They just don't want to be listed on the Message Board lists for everyone in the world to see. But yes, some in the early satellites don't want their sleepers known and do sign up under a different log-in, something I couldn't stop if I wanted to. But no more aliases unless they create a whole new log-in; they're listed as ANONYMOUS on the main Message Boards and most people in the league will know their name once the draft begins.
The advantage of this?: It keeps some very, very good players in the NFBC without harming the event and allows other very, very good players to compete in more events than they would otherwise. Will we lose some people over this? Maybe, but I think everyone will see that there should be very few ANONYMOUS listings, unless people want to screw around with it. But like I said in the past, maybe it was used by maybe 5-7 people in years past for various reasons and I bet even fewer use it now that we have changed it this way.
Carry on all. I'll give you more important things to discuss starting on Monday. That's when we talk about a 12-team live event.
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You'd think in Year 9 of the NFBC these personal feud posts would be over with. I guess not. Joe brings up Padilla. NICE!! Gekko fires back. MISS!!! Shots below the belt by the CDM gang. DIRECT HIT!!! Amazing all. Juvenile, but amazing.
We're the only live events baseball event around. Let's act like a mature audience. I appreciate that some of you don't like some of my decisions and you are given this open forum to debate the merits for and against. What Chris is doing is making very sound points and asking for sounder answers from me. Why don't the rest of you stay on the same path and let's keep this civil.
I already have a problem child on the NFFC boards, and no his name isn't Gekko. Please don't make me babysit this playground too. We're better than that. At least I thought we were.
We're the only live events baseball event around. Let's act like a mature audience. I appreciate that some of you don't like some of my decisions and you are given this open forum to debate the merits for and against. What Chris is doing is making very sound points and asking for sounder answers from me. Why don't the rest of you stay on the same path and let's keep this civil.
I already have a problem child on the NFFC boards, and no his name isn't Gekko. Please don't make me babysit this playground too. We're better than that. At least I thought we were.
Greg Ambrosius
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General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
With every ANONYMOUS listing everyone will think it's him.
i'm waiting for someone to sign up for your early DC leagues as Anonymous!! people will think it's me and give out false info!!!!!
With every ANONYMOUS listing everyone will think it's him.
i'm waiting for someone to sign up for your early DC leagues as Anonymous!! people will think it's me and give out false info!!!!!
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
You'd think in Year 9 of the NFBC these personal feud posts would be over with. I guess not. Joe brings up Padilla. NICE!! Gekko fires back. MISS!!! Shots below the belt by the CDM gang. DIRECT HIT!!! Amazing all. Juvenile, but amazing.
We're the only live events baseball event around. Let's act like a mature audience. I appreciate that some of you don't like some of my decisions and you are given this open forum to debate the merits for and against. What Chris is doing is making very sound points and asking for sounder answers from me. Why don't the rest of you stay on the same path and let's keep this civil.
I already have a problem child on the NFFC boards, and no his name isn't Gekko. Please don't make me babysit this playground too. We're better than that. At least I thought we were. greg - it's amazing and puzzling at the same time. i had a bad season this year, yet it is others trying to instigate trouble.
Go BREWERS!!!
You'd think in Year 9 of the NFBC these personal feud posts would be over with. I guess not. Joe brings up Padilla. NICE!! Gekko fires back. MISS!!! Shots below the belt by the CDM gang. DIRECT HIT!!! Amazing all. Juvenile, but amazing.
We're the only live events baseball event around. Let's act like a mature audience. I appreciate that some of you don't like some of my decisions and you are given this open forum to debate the merits for and against. What Chris is doing is making very sound points and asking for sounder answers from me. Why don't the rest of you stay on the same path and let's keep this civil.
I already have a problem child on the NFFC boards, and no his name isn't Gekko. Please don't make me babysit this playground too. We're better than that. At least I thought we were.
greg - it's amazing and puzzling at the same time. i had a bad season this year, yet it is others trying to instigate trouble.Go BREWERS!!!
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Greg,
Just a friendly suggestion as you go down this path of allowing folks to sign up as Anonymous.
It might make closing out leagues easier if you not allow those who want to sign up as Anonymous to be the last one in a league. Better yet maybe not one of the last three or four.
Robert
Just a friendly suggestion as you go down this path of allowing folks to sign up as Anonymous.
It might make closing out leagues easier if you not allow those who want to sign up as Anonymous to be the last one in a league. Better yet maybe not one of the last three or four.
Robert
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I appreciate that some of you don't like some of my decisions and you are given this open forum to debate the merits for and against. The appreciation is mutual. Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
Robert
I appreciate that some of you don't like some of my decisions and you are given this open forum to debate the merits for and against. The appreciation is mutual. Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
Robert
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I think there is some paranoia among some of the players about the use of anonymous names. It doesn't matter if you are playing Mark Srebro, John Q Public, "annonymous" or whatever. Anyone doing these leagues damn well better think that they are among the best players in the country and can beat anyone else. It all boils down to picking the right players and managing the team correctly. If you do that, you will do just fine.
Dealing With Anonymous Owners In 2012
Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:
I think there is some paranoia among some of the players about the use of anonymous names. It doesn't matter if you are playing Mark Srebro, John Q Public, "annonymous" or whatever. Anyone doing these leagues damn well better think that they are among the best players in the country and can beat anyone else. It all boils down to picking the right players and managing the team correctly. If you do that, you will do just fine. Agreed. It won't bother me to play against one or more Anonymous teams. But it will some folks, and if Greg is allowing them to back out of a league with an Anonymous sign up, it would be better to have that happen early rather than very late in the league sign-up process.
I think there is some paranoia among some of the players about the use of anonymous names. It doesn't matter if you are playing Mark Srebro, John Q Public, "annonymous" or whatever. Anyone doing these leagues damn well better think that they are among the best players in the country and can beat anyone else. It all boils down to picking the right players and managing the team correctly. If you do that, you will do just fine. Agreed. It won't bother me to play against one or more Anonymous teams. But it will some folks, and if Greg is allowing them to back out of a league with an Anonymous sign up, it would be better to have that happen early rather than very late in the league sign-up process.
- Robert
Dealing With Anonymous Owners In 2012
Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:
I think there is some paranoia among some of the players about the use of anonymous names. It doesn't matter if you are playing Mark Srebro, John Q Public, "annonymous" or whatever. Anyone doing these leagues damn well better think that they are among the best players in the country and can beat anyone else. It all boils down to picking the right players and managing the team correctly. If you do that, you will do just fine. Agreed. It won't bother me to play against one or more Anonymous teams. But it will some folks, and if Greg is allowing them to back out of a league with an Anonymous sign up, it would be better to have that happen early rather than very late in the league sign-up process.
I think there is some paranoia among some of the players about the use of anonymous names. It doesn't matter if you are playing Mark Srebro, John Q Public, "annonymous" or whatever. Anyone doing these leagues damn well better think that they are among the best players in the country and can beat anyone else. It all boils down to picking the right players and managing the team correctly. If you do that, you will do just fine. Agreed. It won't bother me to play against one or more Anonymous teams. But it will some folks, and if Greg is allowing them to back out of a league with an Anonymous sign up, it would be better to have that happen early rather than very late in the league sign-up process.
- Robert
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Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:
The reason is that I'd bet not too many players will sign up for a league that includes one or more of these players. I know I won't. hey jim christie - how come you didn't say the same thing to GlennX when he threatened to not play in some leagues?
christie - u sound like a big old hypocrite [/QUOTE]Because Glenn isn't narcissistic and I don't believe he cares who is in his league; no hypocrisy here;
quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:
The reason is that I'd bet not too many players will sign up for a league that includes one or more of these players. I know I won't. hey jim christie - how come you didn't say the same thing to GlennX when he threatened to not play in some leagues?
christie - u sound like a big old hypocrite
[/QUOTE]Because Glenn isn't narcissistic and I don't believe he cares who is in his league; no hypocrisy here;"Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying."
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One final comment from me in regards to the Anonymous thread; Until I saw this thread I never knew anyone was playing under "anonymous" I personally don't care. As Dan Semsel stated, I prepare my team and draft as I see fit, not based on what others are doing. I have enough trouble arguing with McCarthy at the draft table.
Mark, as Ken stated, I have heard you're a good guy in person, but on these boards over the years you present in a different manner. Someone posted how you were quiet on this MB the last few months, I guess not meeting your expectations can do that. This hobby/game can be very humbling. My wife also shakes her head at paying this kind of money for fun Oh, and she can't name one MLB player
Mark, as Ken stated, I have heard you're a good guy in person, but on these boards over the years you present in a different manner. Someone posted how you were quiet on this MB the last few months, I guess not meeting your expectations can do that. This hobby/game can be very humbling. My wife also shakes her head at paying this kind of money for fun Oh, and she can't name one MLB player
"Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying."
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Now that I just got finished reading this entire absurd thread which comes off like a bunch of old ladies bitching about who has the best apple pie recipe, I will offer my sure-to-be-soon chastised commentary on the matter: WHO THE F@#% CARES?!!! My philosophy is this: If you are playing this game to be the best of the best, then prove it with fearless drafting, knowledge, and skill and let the luck element come into play as it always either infuriatingly or pleasantly seems to do. In my not- so- humble opinion, if it takes subterfuge, covert ops, and other such idiotic diversions along with playing loopholes in order for you to have a shot at winning league titles and the big money, I say go back to the drawing board. If your entire strategy coming into the drafts is based around drafting the same core of players in every draft that you're in, then I guess this sort of shenanigans will always be necessary. The great ones (of whom I do not as yet count myself amongst), can draft 10 different teams, even if they don't snag every favorite or sleeper because someone happened either by plan, choice, or chance to draft some of their targeted picks, and still win year in and year out. And everyone knows their names. They are the Bob Enzyte's, Quahogs, Round Trippers, Glenneration X's, Zefurs, Doughboys, etc. of the NFBC just to name a few. We all know their names because they are proud to list, post, draft, and compete as who they are. We universally fear, hate, avoid, love, challenge, admire, attack, revere, curse, deify, or demonize them because we can since they choose to face us as who they are, and say to the rest of us who can only hope to attain such greatness someday, "Here we are, I dare you to come beat us at our game." Well, my name is Mike Massotto, and my team is the Baseball Furies. Feel free to monitor all of my drafts and to take any of my favorites or sleepers ahead of me in later drafts. Not to worry, I have others. I fear no one in this competition and happily seek out the best of the best that the NFBC has to offer, and I look forward to competing against them each year. So when I win, I can say that I beat the best in doing so. Then I can say when the bludgeoning is over, that I am among the best as well! You have all been put on notice.
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Chris, I respect your opinion, I respect you as a friend and I respect you as a fantasy player. Ditto, but I will add grateful. I am well aware we would not have the game we love if not for you.
All of you on these boards have become OBSESSED with Mark Srebro and it's crazy. You are placing me in a group obsessed with Mark, seriously???? what was your word ..absurd !!! i do however think Mark's past actions are harmful. What I am concerned with is what is bad for the future of this contest.
Several owners who you know and respect have used an alias in the past. Sorry, but they have. Please don't be sorry. i don't care if its a friend . I would love to be first to let my pals know.the practice of alias/ now anonymous is not positive for the contests long term growth, specifically new participants perception. i am not exactly sure who you think my friends are ....the people you see me with are not. I only use them to scout thier drafts and later take thier sleepers.....
It keeps some very, very good players in the NFBC without harming the event Respectfully disagree. I believe it does harm the eventI understand your diplomacy but struggle with your alliance to the less than 12, ( oh wait I'm obsessed i mean Mark when the other hundreds are opposed. to the practice.
Would the rest of the alais users quit or come up with another shady scheme to circumvent rules they disliked or just my obsession?
That's when we talk about a 12-team live event.
Well sign me up for two. I wish to be signed up as ANONYMOUS....Thanks
f we choose not to play, i'm sure Glenn X and Schinker will fill the void and sign up for an additional 20 or 30 leagues i (and others) will either choose not to play OR we will simply have a friend sign up, and then we'll draft the teams. con
Another positive contribution coupled with i might quit....great stuff
I also can't speak for Glenn x but Greg if you do fall 20-30 entries short in the 125 sattelite leagues because of my opinions let me know and i'll try and help "fill the void"....
c
All of you on these boards have become OBSESSED with Mark Srebro and it's crazy. You are placing me in a group obsessed with Mark, seriously???? what was your word ..absurd !!! i do however think Mark's past actions are harmful. What I am concerned with is what is bad for the future of this contest.
Several owners who you know and respect have used an alias in the past. Sorry, but they have. Please don't be sorry. i don't care if its a friend . I would love to be first to let my pals know.the practice of alias/ now anonymous is not positive for the contests long term growth, specifically new participants perception. i am not exactly sure who you think my friends are ....the people you see me with are not. I only use them to scout thier drafts and later take thier sleepers.....
It keeps some very, very good players in the NFBC without harming the event Respectfully disagree. I believe it does harm the eventI understand your diplomacy but struggle with your alliance to the less than 12, ( oh wait I'm obsessed i mean Mark when the other hundreds are opposed. to the practice.
Would the rest of the alais users quit or come up with another shady scheme to circumvent rules they disliked or just my obsession?
That's when we talk about a 12-team live event.
Well sign me up for two. I wish to be signed up as ANONYMOUS....Thanks
f we choose not to play, i'm sure Glenn X and Schinker will fill the void and sign up for an additional 20 or 30 leagues i (and others) will either choose not to play OR we will simply have a friend sign up, and then we'll draft the teams. con
Another positive contribution coupled with i might quit....great stuff
I also can't speak for Glenn x but Greg if you do fall 20-30 entries short in the 125 sattelite leagues because of my opinions let me know and i'll try and help "fill the void"....
c
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I don't know Mark Srebro, but I've read the posts. To jump on Chris Schinker for voicing a humble opinion is lame. He even prefaced his opinion with the fact that he doesn't post often.
I'm assuming that the reason he doesn't post often is because jerk-o**s like Mark Srebro are on the boards and want to think that they are so important in the scheme of life that everyone cares about what they do. A legend in his own mind perhaps.
If you haven't met Chris Schinker, let me tell you that this guy is hands down one of the nicest guys in this organization.
[ October 09, 2011, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Fourslot40 ]
I'm assuming that the reason he doesn't post often is because jerk-o**s like Mark Srebro are on the boards and want to think that they are so important in the scheme of life that everyone cares about what they do. A legend in his own mind perhaps.
If you haven't met Chris Schinker, let me tell you that this guy is hands down one of the nicest guys in this organization.
[ October 09, 2011, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Fourslot40 ]