Auction League: Rule Change in 2012?

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:34 am

Originally posted by mbendar16:

I would be against drafting the last 7 rounds with FAAB. In addition to potentially being an administrative nightmare for Greg, Tom and their IT group, it would cause players to submit anywhere from 20-50 (maybe more) players to fill their team. I'm not seeing how this would work (ie, how would ties be broken, etc.), so if someone could explain their idea, I would possibly be more receptive.

Mark Mark - completing with FAAB means everyone bids from their season's $1000 and prior to Week 1 ADDS seven free agents. No administrative work at all.

This is clearly the fairest AND reduces the time of the auction drafts at the same time

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:16 pm

I don't think this will be approved, but for purposes of understanding, what if all 15 players bid the same amount (for ease $1) on the same player. Who gets the player since there is a 15 way tie for 1st? There will be plenty of ties with 105 mandatory players to be chosen. What if someone loses enough bids and can't field a 30 player team? This is what I meant in my previous message, not the software itself, which is the easy part.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:22 pm

Originally posted by mbendar16:

I don't think this will be approved, but for purposes of understanding, what if all 15 players bid the same amount (for ease $1) on the same player. Who gets the player since there is a 15 way tie for 1st? There will be plenty of ties with 105 mandatory players to be chosen. What if someone loses enough bids and can't field a 30 player team? This is what I meant in my previous message, not the software itself, which is the easy part. What happens in regular FA bidding Mark?

Sure with no standings you might have a tie(s) but rarely do you get them especially for multiple teams or on multiple players. Greg can find some system to break what few ties there will be with the bids.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:24 pm

Hey since the drafts are just a week or two before the season starts, you could even have them done after Week 1 - that would eliminate any problems.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:12 pm

Personally, I love auctions the way they are, but would love them even more if we auctioned off all 30 players. I prefer auctions over snakes for a reason. It allows for a greater amount of control over the players I procure. That all ends after you purchase your first 23 players. Some prefer to follow the tradition of just auctioning the first 23 players and that's fine and I respect that preference, but to me such a design is arbitrary and less appealing. MLB teams don't construct their 25 or 40 man rosters this way, so why should we?

Again, not at all a deal breaker and I'll love auctions either way, but my preference would be for auctioning all 30 players.

However, the thought of turning to FAAB to fill out the reserve roster just might force me to quit altogether all auctions that use this format. To me, FAAB is virtually all luck and no skill, and the idea of making the reserve roster a complete crapshoot is a turn off. I'm unlikely to invest big bucks in a league in which 23% of the draft is a lottery.

As far as reducing the time of auctions, I've never been able to relate to this sentiment. Now, when I go to the dentist, I understand wanting to get in there and get out. But the auction? It's the greatest event of the fantasy year. There's non-stop action/competition/strategy on every player. I can't get enough of it. I've done two auctions back to back, starting early in the morning and ending late at night. I'm always ready for a third. When the last auction of the year is over, it makes me sad that I have to wait until next year to get more auction action. So, adding more length to the auction? Sweet. Bring it on.

[ November 11, 2011, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: Liquidhippo ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:32 am

Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

So, adding more length to the auction? Sweet. Bring it on. I hear what you are saying. We all get that same feeling when the fun is done.

But at that point in the auction when the mixed nuts are all that is left at the buffet ("You know, that middle reliever in Cleveland COULD get a chance to close one day!") and the bidding is less than awe inspiring ("Do I bid up this player all the way to $2?"), I must admit my interest wanes a bit.

I guess my experience has been different than some. All of the local auctions I have done have always been using $260 to purchase a complete roster of 23 ballplayers and use the supplemental draft to add the reserves.

I like the auctions the way they are now. Just my preference.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:13 am

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

I would like to add $7 and bid all 30 players. Not this buy a legal 23 player roster with $260 and snake it for the final seven rounds.

Thoughts? If you go back in history, the whole concept of Rotisserie Baseball was to simulate what Major League Baseball teams did. And so the Founding Fathers wrote the rules in a way where you compiled a 23-man roster (because that's what MLB rosters had in 1980, not 25-man rosters) and you filled every roster spot through an auction you'd need for that season. In AL-only and NL-only Rotisserie auctions that meant stars and scrubs for every team.

I believe NFBC Auctions should follow the same format, to fulfill your 23-man active roster and positions with the $260 you have. By using Mixed League rosters, the definition of "stars and scrubs" has been altered and lessened, but the concept still remains the same. Fill out your MLB-style team with players in all of the required positions.

Changing this to $267 for 30 players and letting folks fill their roster the same way we do in the Main Event would definitely change things here. Very much, indeed. Some may like it better, but I see MUCH longer auctions and a dragout of the last one-third of the auction.

Trust me, I've hosted a lot of these auctions and people are burned out at the end of them. The serpentine reserve rounds go quickly because most people are ready to go. I'm not sure adding 105 more $1 bids is the answer. And I'm not sure how much it would change the final rosters because most of you have your $1 players/reserve round players in mind and they differ based on the construction of your rosters.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:12 am

No reason to fix what isn't broken.

Greg, are there plans to revisit the $1300 NYC Auction this year?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:02 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

No reason to fix what isn't broken.

Greg, are there plans to revisit the $1300 NYC Auction this year? If demand warrants it there and even in Las Vegas, we will run it. It's worked perfectly every year in New York, so YES we will do it again.

As for the one owner being late there last year, trust us this isn't a thrill for us when someone is irresponsible either. That owner was paid in full and from what I've heard Tom did everything in his power to keep the auction going and give this owner a chance to compete. We had NO IDEA he was going to show up late and he put Tom in a TERRIBLE spot. He did what he should have done and that was work through this auction and not let this league compete with only 14 owners. Hell, we lived through that in Boston NFFC in 2010.

Can we plan for every stupid human trick? Nope, but we were prepared for something like this and I think Tom handled it just like I would have. It's a shame anyone would put any of us in a situation like this, but let's hope everyone who pays to enter an event shows up on time and is prepared to compete. Everyone should know by now that the NFBC doesn't wait for anyone and we start every draft or auction on time. BE ON TIME and BE COURTEOUS to everyone involved.

Jim Christie · Post by **Jim Christie** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:46 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

No reason to fix what isn't broken.

Greg, are there plans to revisit the $1300 NYC Auction this year? I agree; you can always start your own Fantasy Baseball League and put whatever rules in you want. This setup is exactly how it should be;

I jumped from page 1 to 3;

I would like a remedy to the disruptive late manager to the draft table, especially the Auction.