hankstr, give me a break. Imposing something like a 250-350 innings pitched rule doesn't negate any strategies except those that use non-actives players. It is simple to have 9 relievers give you 300+ innings.
by overstating and exaggerating the concept, you try to discredit it. It is a pretty weak way to argue your point in my humble opinion
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Another way to do this is to have a small- like 30 innings pitched per slot requirement. Players could easily be checked at key times during the year to ensure that no one is about to be disqualified
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just make it a minimum of ~250 innings by the all-star break. any teams don't get it, they get one pt for whip and era for the entire season. that way there won't be any reshuffling of teams at the end of the season.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
just make it a minimum of ~250 innings by the all-star break. any teams don't get it, they get one pt for whip and era for the entire season. that way there won't be any reshuffling of teams at the end of the season. Nah, doesn't do it for me.
I don't mind originality, but I also want to have MLB players used in the NFBC. There's a way to accomplish both and I think we'll do that in 2006. This isn't complicated to me.
In September, I'll look at all total IP for the 300 NFBC teams and report the facts. Maybe the cutoff (if we need any cutoff) will hit us all right in the face.
just make it a minimum of ~250 innings by the all-star break. any teams don't get it, they get one pt for whip and era for the entire season. that way there won't be any reshuffling of teams at the end of the season. Nah, doesn't do it for me.
I don't mind originality, but I also want to have MLB players used in the NFBC. There's a way to accomplish both and I think we'll do that in 2006. This isn't complicated to me.
In September, I'll look at all total IP for the 300 NFBC teams and report the facts. Maybe the cutoff (if we need any cutoff) will hit us all right in the face.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
In September, I'll look at all total IP for the 300 NFBC teams and report the facts. Maybe the cutoff (if we need any cutoff) will hit us all right in the face. actually it won't matter what the stats say, unless the stats are from a league that had 3+ teams try the RP/hurt pitcher strategy . as i said before if another team from such a league wins the 100K, i think it will be a black eye for this event. at least that's how i'll view it, along with my people. how would you view it from a player's perspective, greg?
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In September, I'll look at all total IP for the 300 NFBC teams and report the facts. Maybe the cutoff (if we need any cutoff) will hit us all right in the face. actually it won't matter what the stats say, unless the stats are from a league that had 3+ teams try the RP/hurt pitcher strategy . as i said before if another team from such a league wins the 100K, i think it will be a black eye for this event. at least that's how i'll view it, along with my people. how would you view it from a player's perspective, greg?
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Origanlly posted by Hankster
Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft.
Hank, Did you play in either auction league last year? Why do we have conformity on offense? I'd rather not have any catchers on my team. I'd love to have all 1st baseman and outfielders.
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Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft.
Hank, Did you play in either auction league last year? Why do we have conformity on offense? I'd rather not have any catchers on my team. I'd love to have all 1st baseman and outfielders.
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as a side note, this kinda reminds me of the blind awarding of the 1st place league prize money in the NFFC to the best H2H record. in my eyes (and others), it doesn't make any sense. i know it has cost you at least one sign-up that i know of. since i live in my sister's basement, i don't know many people though.
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Originally posted by hankstr:
Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft. What a great idea, we have Draft Champions leagues where you draft and can't manage your roster. How about a few leagues where you get a pre-assigned team and your in season moves determine who wins?
What fun we can have here...
On another note - I don't see any need for a minimum innings pitched. Then again, what harm in tossing in 300 IP (or whatever?). If someone plugs in 5 RP and they all toss 60 IP then you've got your limits.
Set a modest one and be done with it... you know, whatever makes everyone happy
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Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft. What a great idea, we have Draft Champions leagues where you draft and can't manage your roster. How about a few leagues where you get a pre-assigned team and your in season moves determine who wins?
What fun we can have here...
On another note - I don't see any need for a minimum innings pitched. Then again, what harm in tossing in 300 IP (or whatever?). If someone plugs in 5 RP and they all toss 60 IP then you've got your limits.
Set a modest one and be done with it... you know, whatever makes everyone happy
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
as a side note, this kinda reminds me of the blind awarding of the 1st place league prize money in the NFFC to the best H2H record. in my eyes (and others), it doesn't make any sense. i know it has cost you at least one sign-up that i know of. since i live in my sister's basement, i don't know many people though. I don't think this one is the same, GG - although I agree the blind H2H champ is meaningless. Maybe this will be the year someone finishes 144th overall with the 5th best points in their league and manages to win their league due to schedule inequities. That would be great
Kind of makes me think of the BCS opponents waiting for 4 unbeaten teams to be around at the end of the year just to see the jam it makes.
Dyv
as a side note, this kinda reminds me of the blind awarding of the 1st place league prize money in the NFFC to the best H2H record. in my eyes (and others), it doesn't make any sense. i know it has cost you at least one sign-up that i know of. since i live in my sister's basement, i don't know many people though. I don't think this one is the same, GG - although I agree the blind H2H champ is meaningless. Maybe this will be the year someone finishes 144th overall with the 5th best points in their league and manages to win their league due to schedule inequities. That would be great
Kind of makes me think of the BCS opponents waiting for 4 unbeaten teams to be around at the end of the year just to see the jam it makes.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
In September, I'll look at all total IP for the 300 NFBC teams and report the facts. Maybe the cutoff (if we need any cutoff) will hit us all right in the face. actually it won't matter what the stats say, unless the stats are from a league that had 3+ teams try the RP/hurt pitcher strategy . as i said before if another team from such a league wins the 100K, i think it will be a black eye for this event. at least that's how i'll view it, along with my people. how would you view it from a player's perspective, greg? [/QUOTE]Yeah, your "what if" scenario on this has lasted three pages now. I can't speculate on every potential scenario you throw out and your NFFC dispute about me awarding the H2H champion $5,000 will just have to continue for another year and without your friend's participation this year. Life moves on. From a player's perspective, the minimum innings pitched level we now have has not had one iota of problems with the NFBC and we had one league where two teams tried this strategy this year, unsuccessfully those teams have admitted. The other teams in that league have also shown that they haven't benefitted from this. From a player's perspective, I would be happy that the rules allow for flexibility.
Next year when the rules are announced, each owner will have to decide if they like the flexibility and competitive nature of the rules and join or not join. No level is perfect. I may do 50 IP next year, or maybe 100 IP. Yeah, maybe 300 IP. I doubt it, but I might. In the individual auction leagues, I may go higher than in the NFBC, but again I'm not sure right now. This hasn't had one negative effect yet, but it's allowed some owners to create some potential problems to think about and so I'll do the thinking. Thanks for the prodding.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
In September, I'll look at all total IP for the 300 NFBC teams and report the facts. Maybe the cutoff (if we need any cutoff) will hit us all right in the face. actually it won't matter what the stats say, unless the stats are from a league that had 3+ teams try the RP/hurt pitcher strategy . as i said before if another team from such a league wins the 100K, i think it will be a black eye for this event. at least that's how i'll view it, along with my people. how would you view it from a player's perspective, greg? [/QUOTE]Yeah, your "what if" scenario on this has lasted three pages now. I can't speculate on every potential scenario you throw out and your NFFC dispute about me awarding the H2H champion $5,000 will just have to continue for another year and without your friend's participation this year. Life moves on. From a player's perspective, the minimum innings pitched level we now have has not had one iota of problems with the NFBC and we had one league where two teams tried this strategy this year, unsuccessfully those teams have admitted. The other teams in that league have also shown that they haven't benefitted from this. From a player's perspective, I would be happy that the rules allow for flexibility.
Next year when the rules are announced, each owner will have to decide if they like the flexibility and competitive nature of the rules and join or not join. No level is perfect. I may do 50 IP next year, or maybe 100 IP. Yeah, maybe 300 IP. I doubt it, but I might. In the individual auction leagues, I may go higher than in the NFBC, but again I'm not sure right now. This hasn't had one negative effect yet, but it's allowed some owners to create some potential problems to think about and so I'll do the thinking. Thanks for the prodding.
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Originally posted by Dyv:
quote:Originally posted by hankstr:
Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft. What a great idea, we have Draft Champions leagues where you draft and can't manage your roster. How about a few leagues where you get a pre-assigned team and your in season moves determine who wins?
What fun we can have here...
On another note - I don't see any need for a minimum innings pitched. Then again, what harm in tossing in 300 IP (or whatever?). If someone plugs in 5 RP and they all toss 60 IP then you've got your limits.
Set a modest one and be done with it... you know, whatever makes everyone happy
Dave [/QUOTE]Dyv, how many teams with less than 100 IP do you think will finish in the top three of their leagues? The top 20 overall? How many will do the same with 300 IP? And if some do, will there be a cry for 500 IP, 900 IP or 1,050 as we've heard? Just asking, not really worried about your guesstimate.
I think I know the answers already. Maybe tomorrow when I'm in Chicago with STATS we'll figure that out beforehand.
quote:Originally posted by hankstr:
Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft. What a great idea, we have Draft Champions leagues where you draft and can't manage your roster. How about a few leagues where you get a pre-assigned team and your in season moves determine who wins?
What fun we can have here...
On another note - I don't see any need for a minimum innings pitched. Then again, what harm in tossing in 300 IP (or whatever?). If someone plugs in 5 RP and they all toss 60 IP then you've got your limits.
Set a modest one and be done with it... you know, whatever makes everyone happy
Dave [/QUOTE]Dyv, how many teams with less than 100 IP do you think will finish in the top three of their leagues? The top 20 overall? How many will do the same with 300 IP? And if some do, will there be a cry for 500 IP, 900 IP or 1,050 as we've heard? Just asking, not really worried about your guesstimate.
I think I know the answers already. Maybe tomorrow when I'm in Chicago with STATS we'll figure that out beforehand.
Greg Ambrosius
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
From a player's perspective, the minimum innings pitched level we now have has not had one iota of problems with the NFBC and we had one league where two teams tried this strategy this year, unsuccessfully those teams have admitted. The other teams in that league have also shown that they haven't benefitted from this. we are all in agreement the RP/hurt pitcher strategy doesn't work in the overall format, but that doesn't stop people from trying it.
you said you'll look at the stats once the season is over. here's a preview. there are no leagues with 3 teams trying the RP/hurt pitcher strategy. there are only 2 leagues with 2 teams trying it...LV1 and NY7
the best team from LV1 is CC's Desperados. they are the #2 team OVERALL
the best team from NY7 is SB PhillyCheeseSteaks. they are the #14 team OVERALL
i'm certainly not taking anything away from these guys, just pointing out that two teams in each of their leagues have ZERO SP on their rosters. if somehow CC can make it to #1 in the next two months, the champ will come from a league that had two teams with no SP. sorry, but that strikes me as amazing
From a player's perspective, the minimum innings pitched level we now have has not had one iota of problems with the NFBC and we had one league where two teams tried this strategy this year, unsuccessfully those teams have admitted. The other teams in that league have also shown that they haven't benefitted from this. we are all in agreement the RP/hurt pitcher strategy doesn't work in the overall format, but that doesn't stop people from trying it.
you said you'll look at the stats once the season is over. here's a preview. there are no leagues with 3 teams trying the RP/hurt pitcher strategy. there are only 2 leagues with 2 teams trying it...LV1 and NY7
the best team from LV1 is CC's Desperados. they are the #2 team OVERALL
the best team from NY7 is SB PhillyCheeseSteaks. they are the #14 team OVERALL
i'm certainly not taking anything away from these guys, just pointing out that two teams in each of their leagues have ZERO SP on their rosters. if somehow CC can make it to #1 in the next two months, the champ will come from a league that had two teams with no SP. sorry, but that strikes me as amazing
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
quote:Originally posted by hankstr:
Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft. What a great idea, we have Draft Champions leagues where you draft and can't manage your roster. How about a few leagues where you get a pre-assigned team and your in season moves determine who wins?
What fun we can have here...
On another note - I don't see any need for a minimum innings pitched. Then again, what harm in tossing in 300 IP (or whatever?). If someone plugs in 5 RP and they all toss 60 IP then you've got your limits.
Set a modest one and be done with it... you know, whatever makes everyone happy
Dave [/QUOTE]Dyv, how many teams with less than 100 IP do you think will finish in the top three of their leagues? The top 20 overall? How many will do the same with 300 IP? And if some do, will there be a cry for 500 IP, 900 IP or 1,050 as we've heard? Just asking, not really worried about your guesstimate.
I think I know the answers already. Maybe tomorrow when I'm in Chicago with STATS we'll figure that out beforehand. [/QUOTE]I wouldn't have a clue - and really don't care a whole lot one way or the other. I'm going to use any strategy I think can help me win so if you change any rules I'll take advantage of anything I can find to claw my way to the top. If you leave them the same and I think a no SP strategy can make me the champ I'll happily give it a whirl.
I don't see this as a major issue for me at all... my ONLY hesitation is 'what if' some league has a couple flukey strategy idiots in it (one slick idiot punts HR/RBI and goes for pitching and speed... 2 braniacs choose no SP and run a LIMR and then in the same league 2 other teams punt saves). You're left with some obscure crazy ass stuff and a league in which a crafty owner recognizing what's going on can capitalize with players they should have no business getting and due to that league of cuckoo's nest patients they pocket a check for $100k.
So, if a 150 or 200 or 350IP or whatever rule weeds out insane things that we all KNOW can't work (but could influence far greater events..) well, Greg, that's your job to figure out
Good luck with it, lol!
Enjoy Chicago -
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quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
quote:Originally posted by hankstr:
Well if we vote for conformity (i.e. everyone must draft starting pitchers), then why not go all out and implement a dress code at the draft? Shouldn't we all look the same too? A specific rotissirie magazine should also be chosen and drafters should be required to make their picks according the the player ratings in that mag (e.g. the 7th pick of the draft MUST be the 7th ranked player in the magazine). Anyone not following the magazine jeopordizes everyone else's chance to win the championnship. Oh the excitement of all players using the same strategy. I can hardly wait until next year's draft. What a great idea, we have Draft Champions leagues where you draft and can't manage your roster. How about a few leagues where you get a pre-assigned team and your in season moves determine who wins?
What fun we can have here...
On another note - I don't see any need for a minimum innings pitched. Then again, what harm in tossing in 300 IP (or whatever?). If someone plugs in 5 RP and they all toss 60 IP then you've got your limits.
Set a modest one and be done with it... you know, whatever makes everyone happy
Dave [/QUOTE]Dyv, how many teams with less than 100 IP do you think will finish in the top three of their leagues? The top 20 overall? How many will do the same with 300 IP? And if some do, will there be a cry for 500 IP, 900 IP or 1,050 as we've heard? Just asking, not really worried about your guesstimate.
I think I know the answers already. Maybe tomorrow when I'm in Chicago with STATS we'll figure that out beforehand. [/QUOTE]I wouldn't have a clue - and really don't care a whole lot one way or the other. I'm going to use any strategy I think can help me win so if you change any rules I'll take advantage of anything I can find to claw my way to the top. If you leave them the same and I think a no SP strategy can make me the champ I'll happily give it a whirl.
I don't see this as a major issue for me at all... my ONLY hesitation is 'what if' some league has a couple flukey strategy idiots in it (one slick idiot punts HR/RBI and goes for pitching and speed... 2 braniacs choose no SP and run a LIMR and then in the same league 2 other teams punt saves). You're left with some obscure crazy ass stuff and a league in which a crafty owner recognizing what's going on can capitalize with players they should have no business getting and due to that league of cuckoo's nest patients they pocket a check for $100k.
So, if a 150 or 200 or 350IP or whatever rule weeds out insane things that we all KNOW can't work (but could influence far greater events..) well, Greg, that's your job to figure out
Good luck with it, lol!
Enjoy Chicago -
Dave
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Really, hmmm, it doesen't strike me as amazimg. It strikes me that CC had a good draft and is well managed.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Really, hmmm, it doesen't strike me as amazimg. It strikes me that CC had a good draft and is well managed. btw, what are you doing on the MB's? shouldn't you be taking your heart meds?
Really, hmmm, it doesen't strike me as amazimg. It strikes me that CC had a good draft and is well managed. btw, what are you doing on the MB's? shouldn't you be taking your heart meds?
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
It strikes me that CC had a good draft and is well managed. that's my point. if i were in the NFFC and two teams in my league tried a strategy of only having injured RB's on their team, i would have a 'good' draft and my team would be 'well managed' during the season (knowing that those teams wouldn't be using FA$ on RB's). it's a good thing that the injured RB strategy isn't a viable option in the NFFC. thanks
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It strikes me that CC had a good draft and is well managed. that's my point. if i were in the NFFC and two teams in my league tried a strategy of only having injured RB's on their team, i would have a 'good' draft and my team would be 'well managed' during the season (knowing that those teams wouldn't be using FA$ on RB's). it's a good thing that the injured RB strategy isn't a viable option in the NFFC. thanks
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Really, hmmm, it doesen't strike me as amazimg. It strikes me that CC had a good draft and is well managed. Yeah, I agree here Gordon. Pointing out that CC's Desperados, which finished second last year and is contending for just about every league title they're entered in, as one of your examples is interesting. They seem to know how to play the game.
The overall winner will have earned it this year and we'll make sure that the overall winner will have earned it next year as well. I have no fear of that and I'll address this at season's end just like I do every other rules proposal.
Really, hmmm, it doesen't strike me as amazimg. It strikes me that CC had a good draft and is well managed. Yeah, I agree here Gordon. Pointing out that CC's Desperados, which finished second last year and is contending for just about every league title they're entered in, as one of your examples is interesting. They seem to know how to play the game.
The overall winner will have earned it this year and we'll make sure that the overall winner will have earned it next year as well. I have no fear of that and I'll address this at season's end just like I do every other rules proposal.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
From a player's perspective, the minimum innings pitched level we now have has not had one iota of problems with the NFBC and we had one league where two teams tried this strategy this year, unsuccessfully those teams have admitted. The other teams in that league have also shown that they haven't benefitted from this. we are all in agreement the RP/hurt pitcher strategy doesn't work in the overall format, but that doesn't stop people from trying it.
you said you'll look at the stats once the season is over. here's a preview. there are no leagues with 3 teams trying the RP/hurt pitcher strategy. there are only 2 leagues with 2 teams trying it...LV1 and NY7
the best team from LV1 is CC's Desperados. they are the #2 team OVERALL
the best team from NY7 is SB PhillyCheeseSteaks. they are the #14 team OVERALL
i'm certainly not taking anything away from these guys, just pointing out that two teams in each of their leagues have ZERO SP on their rosters. if somehow CC can make it to #1 in the next two months, the champ will come from a league that had two teams with no SP. sorry, but that strikes me as amazing [/QUOTE]I can't speak about Philly, but as I remember CC's Desperados did very well last year. Last Year = Good Results without crazy strategies in the League, This Year = Good results with crazy strategies in the league.
Credit in this case goes to the owner alone.
2IP, 20IP, 200IP, 1000IP...doesn't matter to me. Just give me the rules and I WILL find a way to....screw it all up again!
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quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
From a player's perspective, the minimum innings pitched level we now have has not had one iota of problems with the NFBC and we had one league where two teams tried this strategy this year, unsuccessfully those teams have admitted. The other teams in that league have also shown that they haven't benefitted from this. we are all in agreement the RP/hurt pitcher strategy doesn't work in the overall format, but that doesn't stop people from trying it.
you said you'll look at the stats once the season is over. here's a preview. there are no leagues with 3 teams trying the RP/hurt pitcher strategy. there are only 2 leagues with 2 teams trying it...LV1 and NY7
the best team from LV1 is CC's Desperados. they are the #2 team OVERALL
the best team from NY7 is SB PhillyCheeseSteaks. they are the #14 team OVERALL
i'm certainly not taking anything away from these guys, just pointing out that two teams in each of their leagues have ZERO SP on their rosters. if somehow CC can make it to #1 in the next two months, the champ will come from a league that had two teams with no SP. sorry, but that strikes me as amazing [/QUOTE]I can't speak about Philly, but as I remember CC's Desperados did very well last year. Last Year = Good Results without crazy strategies in the League, This Year = Good results with crazy strategies in the league.
Credit in this case goes to the owner alone.
2IP, 20IP, 200IP, 1000IP...doesn't matter to me. Just give me the rules and I WILL find a way to....screw it all up again!
But I will have fun....
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Next year when the rules are announced, each owner will have to decide if they like the flexibility and competitive nature of the rules and join or not join. No level is perfect. I may do 50 IP next year, or maybe 100 IP. Yeah, maybe 300 IP. I doubt it, but I might. In the individual auction leagues, I may go higher than in the NFBC, but again I'm not sure right now. This hasn't had one negative effect yet, but it's allowed some owners to create some potential problems to think about and so I'll do the thinking. Thanks for the prodding. [/qb]Greg, that is fair. The one request I would have is that you (and your delegates) clearly point out a consistent set of rules. This last year, it wasn't mentioned in the Auction league I was in and in the overall $100k draft, you said 'you must have some innings' but that was it. What did 'some' mean? So, all I ask is for a consistent set of rules for each league that are clearly announced up front.
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We had a guy in our league who took Randy Johnson, Schmidt, Schilling, Rivera, and Nathan with his first 5 picks. He is leading our league in saves and BATTING AVERAGE ! Other than saves, his pitching stats are mostly middle of the pack. My point is that you can adjust for two or three Managers taking relievers, it still doesen't mean anything unless you draft the RIGHT starting pitchers. Starters are a lot more of a crap shoot than running backs are in football. The NFBC is great the way it is, it ain't broke and it don't need fixing.
! Other than saves, his pitching stats are mostly middle of the pack. My point is that you can adjust for two or three Managers taking relievers, it still doesen't mean anything unless you draft the RIGHT starting pitchers. Starters are a lot more of a crap shoot than running backs are in football. The NFBC is great the way it is, it ain't broke and it don't need fixing.On my tombstone-
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Pointing out that CC's Desperados, which finished second last year and is contending for just about every league title they're entered in, as one of your examples is interesting. They seem to know how to play the game. Greg - there are only 2 data points (LV1 and NY7). Sorry, there aren't any other leagues to use. Too bad there isn't a main event league with three of the RP/hurt P strategy teams. Then we could really see how much of an impact these types of teams have on the overall standings.
as for CC, they are some of the best owners i know. this is not a diss against them. just a fact that they have two of those teams in their league.
as i said before, get an intelligent owner (CC) in a league with 2 or 3 of the RP/hurt P strategy teams, and you'll have yourself the 100K winner. CC is trying to prove that correct.
Pointing out that CC's Desperados, which finished second last year and is contending for just about every league title they're entered in, as one of your examples is interesting. They seem to know how to play the game. Greg - there are only 2 data points (LV1 and NY7). Sorry, there aren't any other leagues to use. Too bad there isn't a main event league with three of the RP/hurt P strategy teams. Then we could really see how much of an impact these types of teams have on the overall standings.
as for CC, they are some of the best owners i know. this is not a diss against them. just a fact that they have two of those teams in their league.
as i said before, get an intelligent owner (CC) in a league with 2 or 3 of the RP/hurt P strategy teams, and you'll have yourself the 100K winner. CC is trying to prove that correct.
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CC Desperados are just lucky garbage talkers - Shawn and Kevin just blindly pick guys from outdated magazines and somehow end up getting good performance
I remember one draft where Kevin was taking a nap and woke up just in time to pick. Then there was the one time Shawn was on his cellphone with some woman and almost couldn't be bothered to make his pick. Shame they end up so lucky all the time *grin*
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Dave
I remember one draft where Kevin was taking a nap and woke up just in time to pick. Then there was the one time Shawn was on his cellphone with some woman and almost couldn't be bothered to make his pick. Shame they end up so lucky all the time *grin*
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Cut it out Dave!!! YOU'RE kILLIN ME!!!&!! LMTD(LAUGHING MYSELF TO DEATH)
But you've got us mixed up. That was Shawn sleeping and me on the cellphone. LOL
[ July 28, 2005, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: Kevin D ]
But you've got us mixed up. That was Shawn sleeping and me on the cellphone. LOL
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Did anyone happen to notice that GG did not respond to any of my postings?
Again, I will ask, how will penalizing a team failing to make the min change what happens on draft day?
Also, do you want the winner of this contest to win because he was bumped up due to teams above him being penalized down.
I am positive that if you were leading at the end of the season, then after a team or two were penalized b/c of missing the min, and you ended up in second (or maybe third), you would be complaining and threatening to never play again.
You are making a mountain out of a molehill....
Again, I will ask, how will penalizing a team failing to make the min change what happens on draft day?
Also, do you want the winner of this contest to win because he was bumped up due to teams above him being penalized down.
I am positive that if you were leading at the end of the season, then after a team or two were penalized b/c of missing the min, and you ended up in second (or maybe third), you would be complaining and threatening to never play again.
You are making a mountain out of a molehill....
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