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Post by Yah Mule » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:18 pm

Gekko wrote:Blame capitalism??? LOL

College (tuition) is a anything but capitalism. this thread gets more hilarious with each post!!!!!


College tuition has increased six-fold - adjusted for inflation - since the 1980's. A college diploma has never been more important, and at the same time, never been worth less. We're screwing the crap out of these kids and then blaming them for everything. I can't wait until they're in charge.

But please, tell us more about the imminent collapse of the country, Chicken Little. That weak kneed nonsense is always good for a chuckle.

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Post by Gekko » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:29 pm

Do you even understand the definition of capitalism? (This should be a good for a nice big belly laugh) :lol:

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Post by KJ Duke » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:37 pm

Yah Mule wrote:
Gekko wrote:Blame capitalism??? LOL

College (tuition) is a anything but capitalism. this thread gets more hilarious with each post!!!!!


College tuition has increased six-fold - adjusted for inflation - since the 1980's. A college diploma has never been more important, and at the same time, never been worth less. We're screwing the crap out of these kids and then blaming them for everything. I can't wait until they're in charge.


You can thank government-sponsored funding for that, 100% of it. Everything the government funds becomes subject to rampant inflation.

Education
Healthcare
Defense Spending
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Post by Gekko » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:38 pm

KJ Duke wrote:
Yah Mule wrote:
Gekko wrote:Blame capitalism??? LOL

College (tuition) is a anything but capitalism. this thread gets more hilarious with each post!!!!!


College tuition has increased six-fold - adjusted for inflation - since the 1980's. A college diploma has never been more important, and at the same time, never been worth less. We're screwing the crap out of these kids and then blaming them for everything. I can't wait until they're in charge.


You can thank government-sponsored funding for that, 100% of it. Everything the government funds becomes subject to rampant inflation.
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Post by KJ Duke » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:05 pm

I will withhold further comment until I see the Gekko manifesto. :D

However, if there is one almost universal truth - capitalism and open markets drive prices down while government funding, subsidies and regulation (other than restricting monopoly power) drive prices up.

I can empathize with Bernie-type supporters, because he sounds like the most human person in the race (and I don't doubt that he is) ... but anyone that wants more government control over more aspects of our economic life simply does not understand how business and money and freedom function in society.

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Post by Driver Love » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:35 pm

Gekko wrote:Yes, some people will say "everything will be okay" and go about their lives. Nothing wrong with that. Wonder if they know their (avg american) standard of living has been on a steady decline and shows no sign of stopping. Of course we've "overcome" all of those things mentioned, America is still here. Short of the planet Earth being destroyed, how wouldnt America in some way, shape or form NOT be here. LOL :lol:
I really agree with this post. We have so many people who think "ahhh, everything is fine.. nothing to worry about.. bad things will happen.. bad things have always happened.. but worry not, we will always persevere, etc... " That kind of mild apathy is often what allows things to get bad and to me it doesn't make sense to wait until there is a major problem before it gets addressed. Whether it be within a business someone owns, or a family dynamic or a sports team or a country... I too believe in the American spirit but I think it is very clear it is on a downward trend. It is clear to me that we have created a culture that is producing a lower quality American.. One that is less hard working, less personally responsible, more dependent on govt, more entitled, less ambitious, constantly aggrieved, etc. Now many people take viewpoints like this and turn them into absolutes and invent that I am saying everyone is lazy and no one works hard and no one is personally responsible. I am obviously not saying that.

Think about the kind of young men we produced who stormed beaches to protect this nation.. think about a crisis like that today happening. You think today's 19-22 year olds would have the courage, capability and patriotism to put down their video games and tablets and step up to the challenge? I just think we are on a bad and deteriorating trend culturally. I think we can do better.

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Post by Driver Love » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:40 pm

I find it fascinating how capitalism gets bashed now. A nation went from non existence to being the most prosperous, revered and desirable nation on Earth in a mere 170ish years with capitalism as its foundation. I think it has produced such an amazing quality of life (if you are willing to work hard to achieve it) that many people become spoiled and in today's culture it has become chic' to bash it. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

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Post by Driver Love » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:40 pm

KJ Duke wrote:I will withhold further comment until I see the Gekko manifesto. :D

However, if there is one almost universal truth - capitalism and open markets drive prices down while government funding, subsidies and regulation (other than restricting monopoly power) drive prices up.

I can empathize with Bernie-type supporters, because he sounds like the most human person in the race (and I don't doubt that he is) ... but anyone that wants more government control over more aspects of our economic life simply does not understand how business and money and freedom function in society.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:55 pm

[quote="Driver Love"]Think about the kind of young men we produced who stormed beaches to protect this nation.. think about a crisis like that today happening. You think today's 19-22 year olds would have the courage, capability and patriotism to put down their video games and tablets and step up to the challenge?

Yes, I do. Every generation, bar none, underestimates the resolve of the generation behind them. And this will continue for all time. It doesn't matter whether it is long hair, cigarettes rolled up in t-shirt sleeves, trying new drugs, noses in tablets or phones, or nose rings, the younger generation is never highly thought of. Yet, always come through.
And they have ALWAYS proven the older generation wrong, as will this group.



'I just think we are on a bad and deteriorating trend culturally. I think we can do better.'

This has also been said from one generation to the next. No matter what times we live in, it could be better.

In the 60's and 70's, there were too many hippies.
In the 80's and 90's, too many gays.
In the 2000's, too many noses in tech.

If we lived in a perfect world with one thing wrong, some would dwell on the wrong.
It's just human nature.
We live in a world with several wrongs.
Some will talk about these wrongs as if 'doing their part', accusing others of putting their heads in the sand.
The sand dwellers know exactly what the problem is, and also know it'll never be solved by rhetoric on a message board.


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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:02 pm

Driver Love wrote:
Think about the kind of young men we produced who stormed beaches to protect this nation.. think about a crisis like that today happening. You think today's 19-22 year olds would have the courage, capability and patriotism to put down their video games and tablets and step up to the challenge? I just think we are on a bad and deteriorating trend culturally. I think we can do better.
get off my lawn!

avg age of us soldier in ww2 was 26. would today's 26 year olds possess those characteristics? probably.

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Post by Driver Love » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:03 pm

Doughboys,

I get what you are saying and recognize the notion that "things were better back in the day" is often just a romantic concept. Having said that, do you really not believe this nation is producing softer, weaker, more entitled, less patriotic young people? You do not think standards of civility, manners, behavior are deteriorating?

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Driver Love wrote:Doughboys,

I get what you are saying and recognize the notion that "things were better back in the day" is often just a romantic concept. Having said that, do you really not believe this nation is producing softer, weaker, more entitled, less patriotic young people? You do not think standards of civility, manners, behavior are deteriorating?
I was not saying things were better back in the day at all.
It is the same for each generation.
I believe in this generation too.
The same things you are saying are the same things that were said about hippies in the 60's and 70's
EXACTLY THE SAME.
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Post by Gekko » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:16 pm

Driver Love wrote:I find it fascinating how capitalism gets bashed now. A nation went from non existence to being the most prosperous, revered and desirable nation on Earth in a mere 170ish years with capitalism as its foundation. I think it has produced such an amazing quality of life (if you are willing to work hard to achieve it) that many people become spoiled and in today's culture it has become chic' to bash it. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
most people are either brainwashed or do not understand what is happening. think The Matrix 8-)

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Post by Gekko » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:25 pm

NorCalAtlFan wrote:

VROOM VROOM AMERICA IS DOOMED. WAIT FOR SPECIAL KJ/GECKO REPORT!
politicians are experts at kicking the can down the road, so they aren't "on watch" when the tsunami strikes. that would look real real bad in the history books. my theory is they keep kicking it until "the system" forces a shutdown, much like a car running out of gas. this is the worst option of all

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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:45 pm

thank you alex Gecko jones.

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Post by Driver Love » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:09 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:
Driver Love wrote:Doughboys,

I get what you are saying and recognize the notion that "things were better back in the day" is often just a romantic concept. Having said that, do you really not believe this nation is producing softer, weaker, more entitled, less patriotic young people? You do not think standards of civility, manners, behavior are deteriorating?
I was not saying things were better back in the day at all.
It is the same for each generation.
I believe in this generation too.
The same things you are saying are the same things that were said about hippies in the 60's and 70's
EXACTLY THE SAME.
I realize and understand that exact point and have talked about that with my wife. When we sit on the couch and see where things are headed and say "omg, we are such a mess in this country.." I say to her "We sound just like our parents or grandparents did in their time." I am sure when Elvis was swinging his hips around parents were horrified at the time. But those acts lead to the next acts and the envelope is constantly pushed. So while Elvis swinging his hips around seems laughable and tame to us now think about the disgraceful images topics our young people are exposed to and impacted by today thanks to the steady trend of deteriorating standards that at one point was simply Elvis swinging out his hips.

My point is at some point there has to be limits. At some point the worries about the direction we are headed become legit and real. I think we are at that point now. That is all I am saying. I think about the kind of young people we are producing. I think about what their priorities are.. what matters to them, how narcissistic society is now, what they are learning about this country, how it works, what it was founded on, what made it great... I think about the fact that in the blink of an eye they will be having kids of their own and parenting them with the life skills and lessons they have been learning. America changes lightening fast but many people are so busy with in their own lives to see it, recognize it or even care about it. I think this runs deeper than the notion that every generation thinks the past was better and there is trouble on the horizon. I think at some point there legitimately can be trouble on the horizon and if we always shrug it off like it is a mirage at some point we are going to pay a hefty price.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:39 pm

I understand and see your point, Driver.
Believe me, I am not an everything is going to be sunshine and lollipops type of fellow. Although I do believe in American resolve.
We tend to group all youngsters. I know three 20-22 year olds, who have already been deployed twice in the military.
I sometimes try to counsel younger kids into making wiser decisions.
One parent families and divorces keep inflating at an alarming rate.
I live in an area where the rate of suicide is near the highest in the country. And it is mostly kids.
These kids, with technological advancements have more problems than we ever faced.
They feel pressure from parents, peers, and social media.
We tend to group them into soft, weak, entitled kids, but each one is different. Hopefully a lot of them blossom into adults who will talk about how their younger generation cannot be depended on too.

The problems with Colleges, economics, and the like are above my head. That is stuff for KJ and Mark to talk about.
Unless talking about where a player went to college and his current salary :D
(By the way, KJ, I paid $18 for a dinner for myself about a month ago. Cost of living really is going up :D )
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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:47 pm

seems some people here feel their beliefs should be everyone's beliefs. united states of me.

someone should tweet this thread to curt schilling. i think he'd be proud.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:51 pm

NorCalAtlFan wrote:seems some people here feel their beliefs should be everyone's beliefs. united states of me.

someone should tweet this thread to curt schilling. i think he'd be proud.
Mark has three rules when trying to 'make a point', Bryan.

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3. It's really just one and two
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Post by Gekko » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:52 pm

NorCalAtlFan wrote:seems some people here feel their beliefs should be everyone's beliefs. united states of me.
Vogel sums it up! :lol:

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Post by NorCalAtlFan » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:58 pm

that wasn't directed at mark per se.

but through it all, we are united in our lack of support for STATS IT..... :D

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Post by Gekko » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:01 pm

NorCalAtlFan wrote:that wasn't directed at mark per se.

but through it all, we are united in our lack of support for STATS IT..... :D

jk greg and tom
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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:05 am

Back here after two days away, more good postings by guys like BK Mets, Yah Mule.... we've now hit on American capitalism, Trump, the '09 bank crash, VRaptors, 96 year olds who have just retired, Lenny Bruce, Jerry Seinfeld, George Carlin (in my opinion the best that ever was), an upcoming Gekko state of the union manifesto.
Good stuff.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:44 am

We, as a nation as a WHOLE (always individual exceptions), are better off, generation by generation, than we used to be. But with expansion of economic advancement and cultural diversity (i.e. more freedoms) comes a cost. We make fun of our parents (or grandparents) for being shocked at the now benign Elvis and for predicting the slippery slop of moral decay...and upon reflection...

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Then....

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Now...

Oops...they were right. Self expression has come a long way. With it we brought the ugly step-sisters commercialization and exploitation. WE were given the opportunity and WE showed remarkable lack of self restraint. WE had choices (i.e. freedoms) and WE have decided how to use them.

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At least sometimes...you personally have to measure whether the good has outweighed (and will hopefully outlast) the bad...

WE have morphed as a country from a tiny and weak demi-nation that was able to be such a pain in the ass that we outlasted the most powerful nation on earth (twice) to earn our freedoms. Once we had independence WE chose wars of expansion to make ourselves more powerful and advance the sense of national unity. The cost was an epic war to determine that national unity that in turn advanced freedoms for the most restricted and downtrodden among us as well as a new identity as one nation, rather than a collection of individual voluntary associates. WE allowed this new federalism to concentrate in Washington with nearly unrestrained powers over individual rights. The advantage (which we would never had achieved otherwise) was to make the United States the most powerful (militarily, technologically, socially, economically) nation on earth in three or four generations after the "new birth of freedom" as we moved from an agrarian to an industrial nation while simultaneously expanding (suffrage for women and younger adults, access to careers, education, housing, healthcare) and restricting (regulations, "protections", taxation).

There is cost to advancement and one of the most serious is now the legislative branch, in a trend beginning with the Kennedy/Johnson administrations, have mortgaged our future in order to expand social programs and ensure our standing military can protect our interests. It is our cost to bear and WE must have done so willingly because WE keep electing the same Representatives and Senators over and over and over again. This must be EXACTLY what we want because WE have cheerfully accepted that the Federal Government can dictate how we decide to live our lives down to the most basic of healthcare. After all, 65.5 million of us voted for the junior Senator from Illinois (and it only cost him $11 per vote). Damn we sell our freedoms cheaply. And to support this, 65.9 million of us voted for him again in 2012. This must be exactly what we want.

And now, and meaning no insult to anyone other than the individuals specifically mentioned below, we have:

Hillary Rodham Clinton - Even within her own supporters is not viewed as honest. No seminal legislation during her tenure as Senator from her adopted state. No signature diplomatic breakthroughs during her tenure as Secretary of State nor any transformative domination of major issues. Just contributions to the Bill and Hillary Foundation by foreign powers, lapses in security, Behgahzi (I am sorry, but she outright lied), and the euphemistically named "Arab Spring". Would you loan Hillary your car keys with the title in the glove box?

Donald Trump - Philandering nomad who has never held public office so we have no evidence of any kind of legislative success. No experience with a bicameral form of government. No experience with the judiciary other than suing or being sued multiple times. Self-promoting huckster who has succeeded in making money (for himself, not necessarily his partners) and making headlines. Potentially another rookie in the White House. Cannot be viewed as a great communicator, facilitator or consensus builder. Do you REALLY want this guys finger on the button?

Bernie Sanders - Most dangerous man in America as a septuagenarian (they say the White House ages you, so you gotta wonder what Bernie will look like in four)...

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A zealot who fervently believes in socialism, despite all the evidence to the contrary. His mind is made up, do not confuse him with the facts. Would you really want this guy to be signatory on your checking account?

Ted Cruz - A man so hated by his own parties other Senators, you wonder at his ability to derive consensus from either side of the aisle. Princeton and Harvard trained "man of the people"...we have so many of those in Washington now...how is that working for you? Domestic policy adviser in the Bush II campaign...and there were SOOOOO many domestic policy successes during that time....right? After Bush took office, Cruz served as an associate deputy attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department and as the director of policy planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, but labels himself as an "outsider" to the Beltway? Was elected to the Senate in 2012, so another junior Senator running for President. How has the last one worked out for you?

Those are the four choices that have the best chance to win their parties nomination and WE put them in that position. WE voted for them. WE support them (sure, you may say not me individually, but this is a collective problem). The only person who does have experience as the executive in a bicameral government, who has actually turned an economy around, who has taken a budget from deficit to surplus is viewed as a hanger on with no real chance at his parties nomination. Actually, the only bad thing said about the Governor of Ohio Kasich is that he is a sloppy eater. Nice one Donald.... :roll:

I guess this tirade is to say we have come very far very fast and we have severe growing pains. WE can (and I think will) solve these problems only to have our children have to address the residue from our solutions just as we have had to from our parents. BUT...Hillary, The Donald, Bernie, and Ted...sounds like this should be a sit-com rather than a slate of potential presidential candidates.

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WE may have just shot ourselves in the foot. One can only surmise from our Nations' success that we have been the recipients of benevolent divine intervention. I pray to God it happens again....
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Post by Driver Love » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:05 am

DOUGHBOYS wrote:I understand and see your point, Driver.
Believe me, I am not an everything is going to be sunshine and lollipops type of fellow. Although I do believe in American resolve.
We tend to group all youngsters. I know three 20-22 year olds, who have already been deployed twice in the military.
I sometimes try to counsel younger kids into making wiser decisions.
One parent families and divorces keep inflating at an alarming rate.
I live in an area where the rate of suicide is near the highest in the country. And it is mostly kids.
These kids, with technological advancements have more problems than we ever faced.
They feel pressure from parents, peers, and social media.
We tend to group them into soft, weak, entitled kids, but each one is different. Hopefully a lot of them blossom into adults who will talk about how their younger generation cannot be depended on too.

The problems with Colleges, economics, and the like are above my head. That is stuff for KJ and Mark to talk about.
Unless talking about where a player went to college and his current salary :D
(By the way, KJ, I paid $18 for a dinner for myself about a month ago. Cost of living really is going up :D )
Doughboys,

I too get your point. I don't think we really disagree. I just question that notion that "there have always been troubles, we as a country have always come out on the other end, things will always seem better in the past.. therefore we shouldn't worry about the future.." I think what gecko said makes sense when someone challenged saying "America will always be there in the end.." Yes, outside of a nuclear war or a meteor hitting the planet I suppose it will always be here.. But will America always be great? Will it be what it is capable of being? Or will it morph into something unrecognizable? That is the question.

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