Somewhat political post, non baseball

[KJ Duke]

Who first got into the job in August of 1979 and was reappointed by Reagan in 1983? So, Reagan was the Chief Executive who recognized Volckers (a Democrat...reaching across the aisle) ability and kept him on the job (until at the end of his second term and was replaced by Alan Greenspan)? Isn't that what the Chief Executive is supposed to do?

Thanks for proving my point...

Volcker and other Democrat-leaning Fed heads since him, however, have always been fiscal conservatives. Also, if I recall correctly Volcker had to resist pressure from the Administration on monetary policy as every Pres. in history has been against tanking the economy on their watch. But two years later it was clearly working and he kept Volcker.

The nice thing about having Democrats as Fed leaders is that even if they believe in liberal social freedoms, they don't have to be dumb enough to accept the Dem's irresponsible economic policies, because they're not running for office. Although GW wasn't any better at controlling spending, which is why we have to keep reaching back to Reagan as the last effective President we've had on econ policy.

[TOXIC ASSETS]

http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they ... dals-ever/

Above are 22 of her cover-ups, crimes, etc... There are more. But this is a pretty interesting read.

See below for her links to many suspicious deaths as well, during the Bill Clinton years and later, up until as recently as 2 weeks ago.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCH ... z4Dq0THZfw

But, keep thinking she is a saint. George Bush was not a very smart man but a crime riddled embarrassment, he was not.

Great stuff there Alan.
And for those of you still reading this thread -- I give you bonus material.
Here's the link to the 1996 White House Correspondents dinner - every year they get a comedian to give a speech and tell some jokes. This particular year it was Don Imus who is still on the radio to this day. Imus zings both Clinton's, repeatedly. The dinner this year was extremely controversial. The I-Man comes on at about 25 1/2 minutes on this long link. If you can't stand the Clinton's.....you'll like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDW0cbj7vBc

[NorCalAtlFan]

imus? it all makes sense now

#johnson16

[headhunters]

thanks kj- i figured you could say that better than me- although i am totally slow growth and i am pretty much against having a fed and would prefer the gold standard. not gonna happen and a pretty complex argument. i can't type fast enough to debate.

[TOXIC ASSETS]

After a 3 month quiet time, it's a good time to re-start this thread.
Any thoughts on the election in general or the debates?

My observations....
* Hillary won the first debate as Trump was not prepared.
* Trump won the second and got in some ZINGERS. (The Honest Abe reference and the Hillary prison comment).
* I've resigned myself to Hillary winning this election as the electoral math just doesn't work for Trump. And Friday's videotape of the 2005 incident with Billy Bush cost him even more votes.
* I don't see how Trump can win unless he wins Pennsylvania, and he's down probably 7 or so points here. Must be nice to be a democrat when every election you've got CA, NY, IL and a bunch of other states locked up before the voting even starts.

[KJ Duke]

After a 3 month quiet time, it's a good time to re-start this thread.
Any thoughts on the election in general or the debates?

My observations....
* Hillary won the first debate as Trump was not prepared.
* Trump won the second and got in some ZINGERS. (The Honest Abe reference and the Hillary prison comment).
* I've resigned myself to Hillary winning this election as the electoral math just doesn't work for Trump. And Friday's videotape of the 2005 incident with Billy Bush cost him even more votes.
* I don't see how Trump can win unless he wins Pennsylvania, and he's down probably 7 or so points here. Must be nice to be a democrat when every election you've got CA, NY, IL and a bunch of other states locked up before the voting even starts.

Agree with all of that, but if Trump keeps it together from here on he's still got a longshot's chance if Dem voters believe it's a lock. But it's a long shot now down from a near coin-flip. I'll add that the VP debate was clearly won by Pence, with Kaine looking weasley as he was told what to do by the Party and executed it in a manner that came across looking like a smartass teenager, at best.

Trump consistently misses opportunities to take down Hilary intelligently, which shouldn't be that hard. He sticks mostly to one-liners and non-descript overview attacks when a more eloquent, detailed account would be far more credible. He speaks in the way of someone that is well past his peak. One moment that stood out ...

... when Hilary was describing all of her do-gooder accomplishments, from defending citizens on civil rights when she was a young attorney, to charitable pursuits and "help-the-poor" type programs while in office. Those things can be attributed to one of two things: a) a good person, b) a person angling for a career in politics (and I think it's clear even to most Dems which one she is). Regardless, neither of these two things qualify someone to make good strategic choices on how to manage an economy or government programs. Good intentions do not necessarily equal good results; something liberal voters never seem to learn even after 50 years of government program failures.

[NorCalAtlFan]

shut it neo con

[King of Queens]

Grab 'em by the Posey

[Baseball Furies]

Trump's dating kit due to hit the market as soon as this election is over. Consists of only two items, and to be marketed to misogynist fucking morons just like him all across the country. Only $49.95 + shipping and handling. He'll probably make a fortune.

[TOXIC ASSETS]

Trump may be an ego maniac, and a not so great businessman (lost $916 million back in 1995). He may a greedy sob who gives little of his fortune away. He may run his mouth too much. He might be all of these things.

He's still better than crooked, rotten, corrupt, dishonest Hillary Clinton.

But if America votes in Hillary (a strong possibility) --- the country deserves whatever happens.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Trump may be an ego maniac, and a not so great businessman (lost $916 million back in 1995). He may a greedy sob who gives little of his fortune away. He may run his mouth too much. He might be all of these things.

He's still better than crooked, rotten, corrupt, dishonest Hillary Clinton.

But if America votes in Hillary (a strong possibility) --- the country deserves whatever happens.

"My girlfriend may have pimples, snot running down her nose, missing an eye, stinky, and balding...
but yours is fat, drools, has warts, a small tail, and a nose that charges crickets rent".

America 'deserves' neither, really.

[thepats]

Trump's real solid base seems made up of folks who don't read or listen to anything that disagrees with their world view. The news they value comes from Limbaugh and his ilk. It's ok with them that he mocks the disabled, denigrates captured soldiers and on and on. The folks that represent real republican values have gone by now. Some of the following group supported him initially: George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Mitt Romney, both ex-Presidents Bush, John McCain and many others i'd be happy to vote for over Hillary Clinton. Some left for political expedience and others out of pure disgust and his stunning of knowledge on the issues. For those who still want to go down with his racist, misogynistic ship, it says more about them than it does about him.

[TOXIC ASSETS]

Trump's real solid base seems made up of folks who don't read or listen to anything that disagrees with their world view. The news they value comes from Limbaugh and his ilk. It's ok with them that he mocks the disabled, denigrates captured soldiers and on and on. The folks that represent real republican values have gone by now. Some of the following group supported him initially: George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Mitt Romney, both ex-Presidents Bush, John McCain and many others i'd be happy to vote for over Hillary Clinton. Some left for political expedience and others out of pure disgust and his stunning of knowledge on the issues. For those who still want to go down with his racist, misogynistic ship, it says more about them than it does about him.

Trump turned out to be a much worse candidate than I would have hoped for, and up until the Sunday debate I was considering a vote for Gary Johnson or even sitting it out. But seeing the 3 women in the audience, all of them who told basically the same story - Bill Clinton either assaulted them or raped them --- and then had to deal with Hillary's protection of Bill -- the truth be damned --- and then realizing how unfair the media continues to be on the entire issue, changed my mind. Does anyone even remember or know or care that Bill paid a $850,000 settlement to Paula Jones to close that case? Does John Q Public know that Hillary was fired as a young legal intern working on the Watergate case and her boss (a democrat) called her completely unethical and a liar? The Clinton's have gotten away scot-free with everything for the past 25 years. A vote for Trump is not a vote for the man anymore. It's a vote against a criminal, against the media and against the entire f***ing system. Happy Tuesday.

[King of Queens]

Scott Baio: “I like Trump because Trump is not a politician; he talks like a guy. And, ladies out there, this is what guys talk about when you’re not around. So if you’re offended by it, grow up. And by the way, this is what you guys talk about over white wine when you have your brunches, so take it easy with your phony outrage. This is the way the world works. It’s not a big thing.”

Good luck with your relationships, Chachi.

[KJ Duke]

Scott Baio: “I like Trump because Trump is not a politician; he talks like a guy. And, ladies out there, this is what guys talk about when you’re not around. So if you’re offended by it, grow up. And by the way, this is what you guys talk about over white wine when you have your brunches, so take it easy with your phony outrage. This is the way the world works. It’s not a big thing.”

Good luck with your relationships, Chachi.

Chachi's mentor ... where's his right hand?

[Yah Mule]

Trump's real solid base seems made up of folks who don't read or listen to anything that disagrees with their world view. The news they value comes from Limbaugh and his ilk. It's ok with them that he mocks the disabled, denigrates captured soldiers and on and on. The folks that represent real republican values have gone by now. Some of the following group supported him initially: George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Mitt Romney, both ex-Presidents Bush, John McCain and many others i'd be happy to vote for over Hillary Clinton. Some left for political expedience and others out of pure disgust and his stunning of knowledge on the issues. For those who still want to go down with his racist, misogynistic ship, it says more about them than it does about him.

If my choices for President were Donald Trump or an American citizen between the ages of 35-80 selected at random, I would take my chances with door number two and it would be an easy choice. I say this knowing full well how badly that could work out. I figure the individual who was selected randomly - and wouldn't that be a colossal mind-fuck for that person - would at least have enough respect for the enormous responsibility to surround themselves with qualified people. Trump has shown through word and deed that he's nothing but a remorseless con man with serious mental issues. But if he wants to keep spending his final days as a candidate urging his followers to punish Paul Ryan and the other establishment Republicans on election day, that's certainly his prerogative.

[headhunters]

ya mule- that would be ok- if you only had 2 choices. you have 4. the 2 political parties brainwash people into thinking that we only have 2 choices. the world is divided into 3 groups: one choice= dictators and communism two choices= us and three -or more choices- the rest of the free world. the Clintons are only around because George bush the 1st -a complete chucklehead- lied to his base and said " no new taxes" and raised them. perot then ran because of it- and took votes from bush. Clinton did not get 50% of the vote. the whole "throwing away your vote" is crap- should repubs in California or ny or dems in texas not vote? it is bs. vote libertarian- the guy is honest, competent and not a liar and a douche like Hilary is. women's lib to her is marrying a complete douche and riding his coattails. ya- that is how I raised my daughter. to marry a guy that lies cheats and steals and then put up with it to get ahead. every women should not be voting for her- they should be saying- " I could pick a women at random and vote for her and we would be better off".

[DOUGHBOYS]

Donald Trump is running for President.
Hillary Clinton is running for President.
Nope, I still can't say those two sentences without snickering or rolling my eyes.
If ever there was a time for Americans to realize that the two party system has become a bad joke, this would be that time.
Instead, both candidates are trumpeted by their supporters as not being as bad as the other candidate.
It's like the American League is sending the A's to play in the World Series.
The National League, the Braves.
And instead of complaining about having to watch these putrid teams, we say the A's will win because they're not as bad as the Braves or vice versa.
In a world with Kershaw and Scherzer, we are voting between Pelfrey and Weaver.
Both parties are broken. And neither deserve votes.

[Edwards Kings]

Donald Trump is running for President.
Hillary Clinton is running for President.
Nope, I still can't say those two sentences without snickering or rolling my eyes.
If ever there was a time for Americans to realize that the two party system has become a bad joke, this would be that time.
Instead, both candidates are trumpeted by their supporters as not being as bad as the other candidate.
It's like the American League is sending the A's to play in the World Series.
The National League, the Braves.
And instead of complaining about having to watch these putrid teams, we say the A's will win because they're not as bad as the Braves or vice versa.
In a world with Kershaw and Scherzer, we are voting between Pelfrey and Weaver.
Both parties are broken. And neither deserve votes.

I find it insulting to mention Trump/Clinton in the same post as the Braves and the A's. At least the Braves and the A's have shown some proficiency in the past related to their current field of endeavor, unlike Sec. Clinton and Mr. Trump. Other comparisons that might be demeaning to the parties being compared to Trump/Clinton:

Attila the Hun
Jack the Ripper
Michael Milken
Ted Bundy
John Wayne Gacy
William M. "Boss" Tweed
J.D. "Boss" Hogg
The dog that scattered my trash last week
Slime Mold

[DOUGHBOYS]

Donald Trump is running for President.
Hillary Clinton is running for President.
Nope, I still can't say those two sentences without snickering or rolling my eyes.
If ever there was a time for Americans to realize that the two party system has become a bad joke, this would be that time.
Instead, both candidates are trumpeted by their supporters as not being as bad as the other candidate.
It's like the American League is sending the A's to play in the World Series.
The National League, the Braves.
And instead of complaining about having to watch these putrid teams, we say the A's will win because they're not as bad as the Braves or vice versa.
In a world with Kershaw and Scherzer, we are voting between Pelfrey and Weaver.
Both parties are broken. And neither deserve votes.

I find it insulting to mention Trump/Clinton in the same post as the Braves and the A's. At least the Braves and the A's have shown some proficiency in the past related to their current filed of endeavor, unlike Sec. Clinton and Mr. Trump. Other comparisons that might be demeaning to the parties being compared to Trump/Clinton:

Attila the Hun
Jack the Ripper
Michael Milken
Ted Bundy
John Wayne Gacy
William M. "Boss" Tweed
J.D. "Boss" Hogg
The dog that scattered my trash last week
Slime Mold

You are right.
And I apologize

[Yah Mule]

ya mule- that would be ok- if you only had 2 choices. you have 4. the 2 political parties brainwash people into thinking that we only have 2 choices. the world is divided into 3 groups: one choice= dictators and communism two choices= us and three -or more choices- the rest of the free world. the Clintons are only around because George bush the 1st -a complete chucklehead- lied to his base and said " no new taxes" and raised them. perot then ran because of it- and took votes from bush. Clinton did not get 50% of the vote. the whole "throwing away your vote" is crap- should repubs in California or ny or dems in texas not vote? it is bs. vote libertarian- the guy is honest, competent and not a liar and a douche like Hilary is. women's lib to her is marrying a complete douche and riding his coattails. ya- that is how I raised my daughter. to marry a guy that lies cheats and steals and then put up with it to get ahead. every women should not be voting for her- they should be saying- " I could pick a women at random and vote for her and we would be better off".

Gary Johnson was governor of New Mexico and he couldn't name the President of regular Mexico. That's a problem. The Libertarian system sounds pretty good on the surface, but it's basically a paradise for guys like the Koch brothers and it places a higher proportionate tax burden on the middle class and poor. It also produces things like the New Mexico public school system.

Hillary Clinton has numerous accomplishments of her own and nobody is doing young women any favors by attempting to minimize, trivialize or dismiss them as gained by nepotism. Thankfully, these days, most young women are quickly learning to tune out that kind of rhetoric.

[TOXIC ASSETS]

ya mule- that would be ok- if you only had 2 choices. you have 4. the 2 political parties brainwash people into thinking that we only have 2 choices. the world is divided into 3 groups: one choice= dictators and communism two choices= us and three -or more choices- the rest of the free world. the Clintons are only around because George bush the 1st -a complete chucklehead- lied to his base and said " no new taxes" and raised them. perot then ran because of it- and took votes from bush. Clinton did not get 50% of the vote. the whole "throwing away your vote" is crap- should repubs in California or ny or dems in texas not vote? it is bs. vote libertarian- the guy is honest, competent and not a liar and a douche like Hilary is. women's lib to her is marrying a complete douche and riding his coattails. ya- that is how I raised my daughter. to marry a guy that lies cheats and steals and then put up with it to get ahead. every women should not be voting for her- they should be saying- " I could pick a women at random and vote for her and we would be better off".

Gary Johnson was governor of New Mexico and he couldn't name the President of regular Mexico. That's a problem. The Libertarian system sounds pretty good on the surface, but it's basically a paradise for guys like the Koch brothers and it places a higher proportionate tax burden on the middle class and poor. It also produces things like the New Mexico public school system.

Hillary Clinton has numerous accomplishments of her own and nobody is doing young women any favors by attempting to minimize, trivialize or dismiss them as gained by nepotism. Thankfully, these days, most young women are quickly learning to tune out that kind of rhetoric.

Hillary's accomplishments:
1. 1993: tried to ram an earlier version of Obamacare down the country's throat. Failed.
2. Private email server fiasco. Violated procedure and the law. Tried to eliminate all the email evidence. Deleted 33,000 emails.
3. Protected Bill Clinton against any and all sexual harassment/rape charges (multiple).
4. Bengahzi embassy attack: Lied about incident to the families
5. NAFTA: Disaster. Ross Perot warned against it, Perot right, Clintons wrong
6. Middle East on fire during her watch including bad Iran nuclear deal.
7. Take a look at all of the people who had connections with the Clintons who are now dead. Seth Rich turned over DNC emails RE: the election fix vs. Bernie Sanders. Rich dead a week later of a 'robbery'. Coincidence? You decide.

That's all of the things I can think of off the top of my head. Here's more -- recommend anyone considering voting for Hillary - READ IT

http://conservativeamerican.org/the-hil ... lies-list/

[NorCalAtlFan]

toxic and kj have convinced me to vote for hillary after all.

methinks they protest too much

[KJ Duke]

toxic and kj have convinced me to vote for hillary after all.

methinks they protest too much

The worse she looks the more committed you are ... doubling down just like the Trumpites!

[NorCalAtlFan]

i trust her more on the economy and foreign policy