Fine-tuning The Friday DL Rule

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:21 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

So now I'm still allowing you to start every DL pitcher you want each week and you get to keep him in your starting lineup each week.

If any pitcher goes on the DL after Monday, you can still replace him with a reserve pitcher by Friday. this is what i see from Greg?

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:23 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Nothing you or KJ have been posting of late in new information...just a bunch of repeating.

If you don't think Greg knows all of this at this time...you are mistaken.

Your refund argument is a joke. Classic, but a joke.

I can see you and KJ being loud enough to change Greg's mind...but if this problem was intended to be corrected in the off-season...and there was an oversight...correcting it sooner is better than later.

We are NOT mid-season...we are 3 weeks into a 26 week season.

IMO, this has been way overblown, and the effects of employing this strategy are minimal.

I'd rather it be abused this year, and corrected next year in writing in the rules...that have this problem be leveraged into twice weekly roster moves in an effort to go even closer to daily moves in future seasons.

~Lance WRONG. the rule was good enough for 2008 (Greg knew about it). and it was good enough for 2009 (that is, until draft day was over and it's 3 weeks into the season).

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:25 am

When Greg put the rule in place he had no way of knowing the ramifications of how STATS' programming would incorporate the rule

The DL rule has since morphed into a roster flexibility rule and has been like this for years.

It has been discussed on the mb and never changed

and it became a viable strategy to roster DL pitchers.

Because of that it has been my contention that these player movements are allowed within the context of this rule.

Changing how the rule works now doesn't seem right to me.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:32 am

Thanks for continuing to be proactive Greg and Tom.

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:33 am

We need to stop arguing.

So is my interpreation of the rule change/modification incorrect.

I like gekkos phrase "the smoltz rule" so is that no longer a valid strategy or is it?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:35 am

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

We need to stop arguing.

So is my interpreation of the rule change/modification incorrect.

I like gekkos phrase "the smoltz rule" so is that no longer a valid strategy or is it? Why is it called the Smoltz rule now ??

I thought it was the "Colorado" rule and the "Baker" rule ! Can't we keep this stuff straight

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:36 am

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

We need to stop arguing.

So is my interpreation of the rule change/modification incorrect.

I like gekkos phrase "the smoltz rule" so is that no longer a valid strategy or is it? Agreed. Let's all take a deep breath and wait for Greg to clarify. No need in stirring the pot based on assumptions. It's sketchy to question Greg's integrity so quickly, especially given his stellar track record. The man has a life and is very busy. I'm confident he'll appear soon enough and clear up the confusion.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:39 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

We need to stop arguing.

So is my interpreation of the rule change/modification incorrect.

I like gekkos phrase "the smoltz rule" so is that no longer a valid strategy or is it? Agreed. Let's all take a deep breath and wait for Greg to clarify. No need in stirring the pot based on assumptions. It's sketchy to question Greg's integrity so quickly, especially given his stellar track record. The man has a life and is very busy. I'm confident he'll appear soon enough and clear up the confusion. [/QUOTE]i'll agree with you there Mr Boras. he's been 100% Mr Integrity in his role as Commish and we all appreciate it. I'm hopeful and confident that the smoltz rule will stay in effect for 2009. Abolish it in 2010, but I drafted him knowing i could take him out of my lineup by friday of every week while he is on the DL.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:47 am

Baker giving up runs in the first. How does that rule work

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:48 am

Greg, I'll never complain about you not spending enough time on baseball again. Walla Walla is going to call it quits at the end of the season.

CP28 may be showing up next year though.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:48 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

We need to stop arguing.

So is my interpreation of the rule change/modification incorrect.

I like gekkos phrase "the smoltz rule" so is that no longer a valid strategy or is it? Agreed. Let's all take a deep breath and wait for Greg to clarify. No need in stirring the pot based on assumptions. It's sketchy to question Greg's integrity so quickly, especially given his stellar track record. The man has a life and is very busy. I'm confident he'll appear soon enough and clear up the confusion. [/QUOTE]i'll agree with you there Mr Boras. he's been 100% Mr Integrity in his role as Commish and we all appreciate it. I'm hopeful and confident that the smoltz rule will stay in effect for 2009. Abolish it in 2010, but I drafted him knowing i could take him out of my lineup by friday of every week while he is on the DL. [/QUOTE]So your biggest draft strategy was having a guy on your active roster who would allow you FIVE extra days to figure out who of your two or three reserve pitchers would start as your NINTH pitcher each week?? That was really one of your draft strategies??

Wow, I need to play hoops and take out my aggressions on my co-workers. I have asked STATS to take a break on this one as I'll consider this all through. I can honestly say that Tom and I are shaking our heads as we read all of these posts and maybe we've come to a different conclusion about this contest after all. Are the most knowledgeable baseball owners really winning our contests each year or are there other reasons?

Yeah, head scratcher indeed. Carry on with this thread and I'll do my best to sift through the rubbage. I'm almost embarrassed by this week, for myself, for STATS and for some of my best customers.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:49 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg, I'll never complain about you not spending enough time on baseball again. Walla Walla is going to call it quits at the end of the season.

CP28 may be showing up next year though.

I might quit before you do John. Have a good retirement from the NFBC, but I have no idea where you'll ever get this type of enjoyment. It continues all 26 weeks of the season...as long as you're not me.

At least now I'm looking forward to the NFFC.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:52 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

So your biggest draft strategy was having a guy on your active roster who would allow you FIVE extra days to figure out who of your two or three reserve pitchers would start as your NINTH pitcher each week?? That was really one of your draft strategies?? was it one of my biggest...no

but it was a strategy i used that is now on the brink of being snuffed out by a rule change after the season began. i'd deem that highly embarrassing

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:53 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

When Greg put the rule in place he had no way of knowing the ramifications of how STATS' programming would incorporate the rule

The DL rule has since morphed into a roster flexibility rule and has been like this for years.

It has been discussed on the mb and never changed

and it became a viable strategy to roster DL pitchers.

Because of that it has been my contention that these player movements are allowed within the context of this rule.

Changing how the rule works now doesn't seem right to me. Of all the people I respect in the NFBC, this one surprises me. We'll have to drink on Saturday over this one and now YOU'RE BUYING!!

I blame myself. I thought my last dumb "miss" was having 0 IP instead of at least 1/3 IP and finally going to 600 IP. Now I'm really an idiot.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:54 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Wow, I need to play hoops and take out my aggressions on my co-workers. there would be no "aggressions" if you stuck to "no rule changes until next year". i've heard that many times from you.

i'm very confused as to why you would try and institute this AFTER draft day.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:55 am

"So your biggest draft strategy was having a guy on your active roster who would allow you FIVE extra days to figure out who of your two or three reserve pitchers would start as your NINTH pitcher each week?? That was really one of your draft strategies??"

...and all of this ONLY for the first 6 or so weeks, mind you! (Smoltz is not out for the season)

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:59 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Of all the people I respect in the NFBC, this one surprises me. We'll have to drink on Saturday over this one and now YOU'RE BUYING!!

man i wish i could be there!!! i'd buy you a couple drinks!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:00 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

So your biggest draft strategy was having a guy on your active roster who would allow you FIVE extra days to figure out who of your two or three reserve pitchers would start as your NINTH pitcher each week?? That was really one of your draft strategies?? was it one of my biggest...no

but it was a strategy i used that is now on the brink of being snuffed out by a rule change after the season began. i'd deem that highly embarrassing [/QUOTE]Yes, embarrassing is the right word for this thread. So you feel you are at a disadvantage because you actually have to set your nine pitchers that you want for that week on Monday instead of waiting on Friday for that one roster spot? That is the disadvantage you now find yourself in if I close this loophole, right?

Trust me, this was the LEAST of my worries in closing this loophole. The two-start situation never should have happened. Dan brought this to my attention. THAT is what needs to be closed more than the Smoltz rule, but to see you lobbying so hard for that part is...well, what's the right word?...oh we used it already.

I know how we should close the two-start loophole, but it wouldn't be programmed in time. So I will sit on this one (drink on this one) and figure this out with STATS. For now and I'm sure this week, nothing will change. But I will figure out a happy medium for 2009 and then oh yes 2010 will be tight as a drum.

Sad part is that the DL Rule is good for a contest at this price level involving those who go on the DL during the week. But now we're left with this.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:01 am

Jeez Greg, this is the crap you have to put up with? Maybe if they scream loud enough they will get their way.

You've had to make a lot of tough decisions early this year, and the majority of us respect them. Everyone may not be thrilled, but you did what you had to do. I really don't see this as being anything close to a big deal, but maybe I'm missing something. Whatever you do, I and most others support you.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:08 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

When Greg put the rule in place he had no way of knowing the ramifications of how STATS' programming would incorporate the rule

The DL rule has since morphed into a roster flexibility rule and has been like this for years.

It has been discussed on the mb and never changed

and it became a viable strategy to roster DL pitchers.

Because of that it has been my contention that these player movements are allowed within the context of this rule.

Changing how the rule works now doesn't seem right to me. Of all the people I respect in the NFBC, this one surprises me. We'll have to drink on Saturday over this one and now YOU'RE BUYING!!

I blame myself. I thought my last dumb "miss" was having 0 IP instead of at least 1/3 IP and finally going to 600 IP. Now I'm really an idiot. [/QUOTE]Uh oh. What I do? I'm getting marched in the principal's office (Thank goodness it's a bar). I think my car just pulled a hammy.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:09 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

For now and I'm sure this week, nothing will change. But I will figure out a happy medium for 2009 and then oh yes 2010 will be tight as a drum.

Sad part is that the DL Rule is good for a contest at this price level involving those who go on the DL during the week. But now we're left with this. from my understanding, this rule and how your particpants could use it has been in place for years. if it was important enough, i would think it woulda been addressed in one of these offseasons.

NO ONE would have a problem if you instituted this in 2010. NO ONE.

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:09 am

If I was in Greg's lunchtime basketball league, I would make certain to be on his team today.

Greg "Elbows" Ambrosius takes it to the hole!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:15 am

One of the best lines in this thread...

"Are the most knowledgeable baseball owners really winning our contests each year or are there other reasons?

Yeah, head scratcher indeed."

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:18 am

Just a sidenote – I know Greg is well-intentioned here. He sees a loophole that he thinks needs to be closed. I applaud him for that. I really do.

Whether the rule stays or not for 2010, I don’t care either way. Give me the rules ahead of time, and I’ll come up with my draft plan and weekly management plan. Just don’t change the rules AFTER the contest begins.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:19 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

One of the best lines in this thread...

"Are the most knowledgeable baseball owners really winning our contests each year or are there other reasons?

Yeah, head scratcher indeed." no, the LEAST knowledgeable ones are winning

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