Bryce Harper Called Up

[Gekko]

scoreboard speaks and he's doing better than his past has suggested. i'm guessing regression to the mean is in order shortly

[KJ Duke]

scoreboard speaks and he's doing better than his past has suggested. i'm guessing regression to the mean is in order shortly

The mean he should be reverting to is exactly what he has done so far in the majors. For much of his already too short time at AAA to be statistically reliable, he was playing with a hand injury. Another reason stats can be misleading.

[Scared $ Dont Make $]

scoreboard speaks and he's doing better than his past has suggested. i'm guessing regression to the mean is in order shortly

Gekko, have you ever admitted you were wrong in life??? I am guessing you are one of them. Just keep repeating yourself to stick to your original argument until people just tune you out and forget your argument once you are proven wrong

[Dak]

scoreboard speaks and he's doing better than his past has suggested. i'm guessing regression to the mean is in order shortly

Gekko, have you ever admitted you were wrong in life??? I am guessing you are one of them. Just keep repeating yourself to stick to your original argument until people just tune you out and forget your argument once you are proven wrong

Scared? You are my newest hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Mighty Men]

scoreboard speaks and he's doing better than his past has suggested. i'm guessing regression to the mean is in order shortly

Gekko, have you ever admitted you were wrong in life??? I am guessing you are one of them. Just keep repeating yourself to stick to your original argument until people just tune you out and forget your argument once you are proven wrong

"Scoreboard speaks" is his way of admitting he's incorrect so far, but he didn't want to overdo it so he hedged with the fancy phrase "regression to the mean".

My former football partner used to say in football he had to "watch the guy play". (Shout out to you HH!) Sometimes that is just as important, if not more important, than the love of statistics.

[headhunters]

funny jack- i was just watching sharapova move to final at french. MUCH rather watch her play than look at her statistics. guys that play with injuries come to mind. if you just throw justin uptons 2012 in with all his other years- it will be misleading. he is playing with a bad thumb and it shows. peds- same thing.

[DOUGHBOYS]

It brings up something else too.
We admire guys like Pedroia for playing through injuries, his presence alone is probably helping his team, but our fantasy teams may take a hit for it.
Pedroia is 0-7 fighting through the injury....

[headhunters]

totally agree dough- but since konerko has been playing with a bad wrist for about 5 years it is tough to judge what to do because for the most part he has found a way to play with the injury.

[Gekko]

"Scoreboard speaks" is his way of admitting he's incorrect so far, but he didn't want to overdo it so he hedged with the fancy phrase "regression to the mean".

[Money]

Trout - First round next year.

ahead of Albert, Hanley, Reyes, Hosmer, Ellsbury, Agon, Tex, Lawrie?

For the rest of this season, would you trade him for any of the guys listed? I don't think so.

[Outlaw]

It will be interesting in next years draft how each of them are viewed. power seems comparable, Trout is showing more speed and better avg so far. Harpers avg has been rising past 3 weeks. Haprer seems to have slighlty better plate discipline. looks like both should win the ROY awards though in thier leagues.


Trout:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB KO BA
40 161 35 57 10 3 6 26 15 16 34 .354

Harper
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB KO BA
39 146 29 43 8 4 6 18 4 20 29 .295

[751542]

did you take into account" harper will be back in the minors by mid june "??.......gordon gekko industries

[Outlaw]

did you take into account" harper will be back in the minors by mid june "??.......gordon gekko industries

No - Mr. Gekko says now the Stats tell the story. it was 50/50 when he came up whether he would cut it, so Gekko figured he needed more seasoning. a point a view that was totally reasonable at the time.

anywho -its all in fun....... the boards are quite without gekko sharing his opinions, hope he's back soon....

[Money]

It will be interesting in next years draft how each of them are viewed. power seems comparable, Trout is showing more speed and better avg so far. Harpers avg has been rising past 3 weeks. Haprer seems to have slighlty better plate discipline. looks like both should win the ROY awards though in thier leagues.


Trout:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB KO BA
40 161 35 57 10 3 6 26 15 16 34 .354

Harper
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB KO BA
39 146 29 43 8 4 6 18 4 20 29 .295

I agree that these are two special talents and will probably both be all-stars as well ROY. That's where it ends for me. I agree with Gekko that it's all about this year and Trout is far and away the winner here.

Trout is plus plus plus in AVG and SB's and the plus sets him apart from everyone right now. The gaps are just to big (for us stat ball guys) and create a massive advantage. He is also scoring more and driving in more runs, but he's doing it better than everybody at the moment, not just Harper.

If anything his all out play in the outfield will be his undoing. He plays with a reckless abandon and is the funnest guy to watch play this game in a very long time.

[Gekko]

did you take into account" harper will be back in the minors by mid june "??.......gordon gekko industries

harper still wont be on any of my teams next year. he will be 100% pure hype. once pitchers figure out his weaknesses (and he does have them), his numbers will go down accordingly. his stats (while great for a 19 year old) are only in small sample size 146AB. history says he will get exposed sooner rather than later.

add that to his seemingly constant injuries (KJ said his hand was hurt last year which doomed all of his stats last year even those this year's AAA stats were dogshit. AND he's already missed games this year with BACK PAIN . if he's this brittle when's he's 19, he won't make it very long in the bigs. if i were in a trading redraft league, i'd be unloading harper right now

[Gekko]

the boards are quite without gekko sharing his opinions, hope he's back soon....

sorry, just don't have time to visit the boards much during the season

[KJ Duke]

did you take into account" harper will be back in the minors by mid june "??.......gordon gekko industries

harper still wont be on any of my teams next year. he will be 100% pure hype. once pitchers figure out his weaknesses (and he does have them), his numbers will go down accordingly. his stats (while great for a 19 year old) are only in small sample size 146AB. history says he will get exposed sooner rather than later.

add that to his seemingly constant injuries (KJ said his hand was hurt last year which doomed all of his stats last year even those this year's AAA stats were dogshit. AND he's already missed games this year with BACK PAIN . if he's this brittle when's he's 19, he won't make it very long in the bigs. if i were in a trading redraft league, i'd be unloading harper right now

To clarify, injury was this season at AAA not last.

Harper and his bad back just "hyped" another one into the seats ... seven in <150 ABs.

[Gekko]

Jed Lowrie has 12hr in sub 200 at bats

[TParsons]

I agree that these are two special talents and will probably both be all-stars as well ROY.

Trout is plus plus plus in AVG...

Neither of them are on the AS ballot, so it will probably have to be manager's decision if they make the team. I don't know what the odds are for a player to make it via write-in vote, but I doubt it's very good.

He's good, but a lot of players would be "plus plus plus in AVG" with a .411 BABIP.

[Money]

I agree that these are two special talents and will probably both be all-stars as well ROY.

Trout is plus plus plus in AVG...

Neither of them are on the AS ballot, so it will probably have to be manager's decision if they make the team. I don't know what the odds are for a player to make it via write-in vote, but I doubt it's very good.

He's good, but a lot of players would be "plus plus plus in AVG" with a .411 BABIP.

By hook or by crook both of these players are going to the all star game. This is the future of the game and baseball would be negligent not to showcase it. If Vegas posted odds on this happening I'd grab it at even money if available

[Outlaw]

did you take into account" harper will be back in the minors by mid june "??.......gordon gekko industries

harper still wont be on any of my teams next year. he will be 100% pure hype. once pitchers figure out his weaknesses (and he does have them), his numbers will go down accordingly. his stats (while great for a 19 year old) are only in small sample size 146AB. history says he will get exposed sooner rather than later.

add that to his seemingly constant injuries (KJ said his hand was hurt last year which doomed all of his stats last year even those this year's AAA stats were dogshit. AND he's already missed games this year with BACK PAIN . if he's this brittle when's he's 19, he won't make it very long in the bigs. if i were in a trading redraft league, i'd be unloading harper right now

the same can be said of Trout, that his numbers will decline once pitchers firgure out his weakness's. Its also quite possible both will end up with very similar Stats this year, with the exception being Steals, as Trout is the leadoff hitter and the Nats are looking for power and run production from Harper. Quite possible Harper exceeds him in HR and RBI.

Either way they are both talented and either one of them could be bext years Hosmer, Lawrie and the myriad of other 2nd year players who dont live up to the hype. However, in 5 years these 2 could be the best 2 in the Game. Its good for baseball and fantasy.

[Gekko]

the same can be said of Trout, that his numbers will decline once pitchers firgure out his weakness's. Its also quite possible both will end up with very similar Stats this year, with the exception being Steals, as Trout is the leadoff hitter and the Nats are looking for power and run production from Harper. Quite possible Harper exceeds him in HR and RBI.

Either way they are both talented and either one of them could be bext years Hosmer, Lawrie and the myriad of other 2nd year players who dont live up to the hype. However, in 5 years these 2 could be the best 2 in the Game. Its good for baseball and fantasy.

trout has the advantage as his sb carry his value far past harper's

[DOUGHBOYS]

As much fun as it is to see a 19 year old kid succeed at the top level, it is even more fun seeing 40 year old Andy Pettitte carve him up.
In three at bats, Pettitte has made Harper looked like that ninth hitter on a Little League team.
A reminder that even the best of rookies still have a lot to learn....

[Outlaw]

As much fun as it is to see a 19 year old kid succeed at the top level, it is even more fun seeing 40 year old Andy Pettitte carve him up.
In three at bats, Pettitte has made Harper looked like that ninth hitter on a Little League team.
A reminder that even the best of rookies still have a lot to learn....

Petitte did show how to attack him if you are a lefty pitcher and have a decent slider. he threw 11 pitches in 3 AB's and Harper swung and missed at 9 of them. I think eveyr pitch was a slider or curve. Harper did make an adjustment in his 4th AB and crushed one to deep Center that was caught. Petitte yanked after 7 innings and Wade promptly blows the win for him.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Same game, yet we saw things differently.
Pettitte missed on two curves in Harper's last at bat. 2-0 and a runner on, he gave in with a fastball. You're being kind to Harper (as always) in saying that he made an adjustment.
He merely got a pitch he can handle due to being ahead in the count.
Harper was schooled today. It happens to every player. Even our favorites.