2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:56 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

[qb] [QUOTE]Greg, if you had made this one weekend being the 27th, I think the reaction would have been fine. So people just have to be concerned with changing travel arrangements, rather than now dealing with issues regarding the strategy of selecting weeks to draft. [/QUOTE]I'm looking for that feedback. Anyone agree with Mike or is this concept being overblown? [/QUOTE]I'm not completely convinced of this.

Couple things to keep in mind...

1. The second weekend is likely the time many NFBCers play in their local home leagues.

2. There were 390 Main Eventers this season - are there 390 opinions on these boards? Sometimes what I call the vocal minority gives a false perception of the majority.

That said, for my own reasons, which will remain my own, I have a much bigger issue with the possibility of multiple teams per owner than differing draft dates.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:58 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

Greg:

1) Why has it been SO important for the past six years to stagger the start times in each city, on the same day in both baseball and football? I ask you this directly, because it is my belief ( correct me if I'm wrong ) that this was initially your wish AND you had to have a specific and well founded reason for that decision.

2) I've always thought staying at the host hotel, whether it be Stardust or Flamingo, an added bouns for those taking part in any NFBC/NFFC sponsored event. With the new pending location sure to knock our socks off, I can only wonder how much more this new place is going to set us back, per night to have the same scenario.

Similiar to LUNY, this isn't directed as a negative towards you. As one of your FIRST players to ever sign up for an event, I'm NOT getting the two day format. Kenny, I am keeping the drafts on those dates simultaneous. We are playing within the league and everyone is at the same advantage or disadvantage. I do agree with KJ's points, but of course this is a change from the past six years with us. It's a change we feel will help us grow our event.

That being said, many of our same guys are playing in other contests with multiple draft dates and I don't see them saying the same things on those sites. We certainly aren't the first contest to try and grow their numbers with multiple draft dates. Why the criticism here?

And you certainly proved in the Online Championship that someone can excel drafting early, late or in the middle, and with folks knowing your strategies, top players, etc. Lindy was in the same boat and excelled many times.

As for the second weekend's host hotel, we have a good deal for our players at this host hotel. The NFFC boards is filled with criticisms of me for hosting our drafts at the Flamingo and for serving chips and dip. Please, someone give me a break on either side. Am I being too lavish or too cheap?? It's hard to win either way.

I've always respected your opinions and your points are valid here and worth discussing further. I have no problem with people discussing the need for one single draft date or two, the 27th being better than the 20th, etc. I like March Madness and the NFBC together. Which is the best weekend for the contest? I'm ready to listen.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:58 pm

Originally posted by RichV:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

Whatever other pros and cons there may be ... it's not a level playing field drafting on two weekends. Posted in another thread responding to someone else on this, but this line of thinking is just ridiculous.

The player pool for each league is the same, every risk taken in drafting early has a flipside, which is an opportunity in drafting early.

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven? [/QUOTE]Pretty simple really. I draft week 1, my #1 pick gets hurt during the week, he needs season ending surgery. How is my team now on a level playing field with a team that hasn't drafted yet and knows this news? [/QUOTE]Rich, the answer is that your team is not on an even playing field with other teams because you just lost your #1 pick, but the league is absolutely on a level playing field with all other lges.

If you have bad injury luck, you have it. It can happen at any time.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:01 pm

Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

I don't see the point of playing in a contest based on pooled results if the pool isn't created as a single event. The point of playing a pooled contest is that you can win a much greater factor than in a single league. You think Lindy would've been upset if this year's draft was over 2 days when he's cashing his $240,0000 check?

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:01 pm

Greg:

I'll add to the Quack & Willy statement in that you wanted feedback.

If ONE event took place on March 27th - you wouldn't have heard a peep from this corner.

MAIN EVENT - singular.....The Feature Race

Whether that comes on March 20th or March 27th doesn't matter. To split this, in my view, takes away.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:04 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by RichV:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

Whatever other pros and cons there may be ... it's not a level playing field drafting on two weekends. Posted in another thread responding to someone else on this, but this line of thinking is just ridiculous.

The player pool for each league is the same, every risk taken in drafting early has a flipside, which is an opportunity in drafting early.

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven? [/QUOTE]Pretty simple really. I draft week 1, my #1 pick gets hurt during the week, he needs season ending surgery. How is my team now on a level playing field with a team that hasn't drafted yet and knows this news? [/QUOTE]Rich, the answer is that your team is not on an even playing field with other teams because you just lost your #1 pick, but the league is absolutely on a level playing field with all other lges.

If you have bad injury luck, you have it. It can happen at any time. [/QUOTE]It can happen at time, sure. Now you have part of the contest penalized for a season ending injury, while another portion being able to cross a player off the list.

Kinda like allowing some people to buy a stock on a Monday at an IPO price, and then allowing others to buy it a week later at the same price, with more information regarding the market's reaction.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:05 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Is the long-term goal to make this a two-weekend event, or is it just a temporary issue due to a Flamingo contract two weeks before the season instead of one week before?

If the long-term goal is two different weeks, this appears to be flawed. If just this season, appears to be a very short-sighted thought process. Yes, the goal is to have a fun, growing event on two weekends before the baseball season. I think I said that already and there are reasons why some can draft on the third weekend of March and not on the 27th. We think enough folks will still want to draft and auction on the first weekend of March Madness along with the final weekend. We'll see if we were correct or not.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:06 pm

"The point of playing a pooled contest is that you can win a much greater factor than in a single league. You think Lindy would've been upset if this year's draft was over 2 days when he's cashing his $240,0000 check?"

Please excuse me but your point has nothing to do with my point ... and clearly, further discussion is ... pointless :-þ

Oaktown · Post by **Oaktown** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:07 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

Greg:

I'll add to the Quack & Willy statement in that you wanted feedback.

If ONE event took place on March 27th - you wouldn't have heard a peep from this corner.

MAIN EVENT - singular.....The Feature Race

Whether that comes on March 20th or March 27th doesn't matter. To split this, in my view, takes away. I absolutely love this game, but I agree here too. While I really enjoy the March Madness weekend, I could have certainly dealt with the move to Sweet 16 weekend as it is more about having everyone there to both watch games and draft on one weekend.

I agree with Todd's issue on like multiple teams for owners. The Main Even has always felt like your own team to me...One team to root hardest for, one team to take a shot at a big prize for, one team to try and battle the best owners out there. I hate the idea of a bunch of them having 2 teams. Just doesn't feel right to me.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:09 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

greg

maybe you should have said

"OK guys, new ownership, new ideas, we're going to have the draft one week prior to opening day for 2010".

ANY COMPLAINTS?

bill So Bill, you are assuming that we'd then have NO COMPLAINTS with that announcement?? You haven't been around the NFBC long enough, have you?

Just kidding.

But maybe you are right. But then again, maybe we'd always be at 390 teams for the main event rather than growing at a quicker pace. Time will tell, I guess.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:09 pm

why don't we agree that the second weekend (one week prior to opening season) is a great option for the draft? if fanball can "somehow" take care of the contract? and i'm sure they can! does this work?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:09 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

DUKE:

I've not stated that either an early or late draft date has an advantage. There are way to many factors involved. My personal choice would be to draft as late in the game as possible. However, I can see a scenario in which a strong player gets a layup of a league in Week #1. ( Heck, the opposite could be true )

But in a contest for 100K, There has got to have been a reason WHY for the past six years Vegas would start at 11am and New York at 2pm. On the same day, mind you.

Some people smarter than me are going to try and put these angles to play. Why open up that possibility. I'd have preferred that we al start together. One day, one time. When Michael Buffer yells Let's Get Ready to Rumble" out in Vegas, we shouldn't be fighting the first fix rounds on the 20TH and then finishing the fight on the 27th.

Sack, my guess as to the reason why we've started all the lges at the same time in the past is twofold:

1) The perception (misperception in my view) that starting at the same time somehow means an even playing field.

2) Because Greg wanted to create a certain feel to the event, and to some degree for administrative/practical purposes.

I also think #2 is the dominant reason. There are many other pooled contests for which start times vary.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:09 pm

I'll go with Sack and some of the others. Dump the first week and keep the second. I already have to change my flight. I'm in the camp that wants to see friends.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:10 pm

Greg:

As always, thanks for the honest honest. If YOU really believe that two days help grow the event than more power to the move. As a player, my preference was a singular day for the prestigous Main Event. I don't think the Online Championship is a fair comparison, the flexibility

and many available dates MADE that work. There was a reason the entry fee was $350.

I had no issue with the Flamingo, didn't mind the Stardust. Plus, I'm free to chose any hotel I'm willing to pay for during that week. While I'm sure a good deal would be in place, you answered my question in regard to how much this is going to cost.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:11 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

Greg:

I'll add to the Quack & Willy statement in that you wanted feedback.

If ONE event took place on March 27th - you wouldn't have heard a peep from this corner.

MAIN EVENT - singular.....The Feature Race

Whether that comes on March 20th or March 27th doesn't matter. To split this, in my view, takes away. I know the CDM gang meets in Las Vegas during the first weekend of March Madness. So thanks for the feedback on whether this would be good on either weekend, just not both. Duly noted.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:11 pm

All I can say is I'm on the side of a one day main event. I understand the online championship is drafted over several days, and drafting early/late didn't matter in the overall scheme of things. But to me, that's part and parcel of online championship. The MAIN EVENT is THE Championship, and everyone should be drafting together. For me, that's what separates the main event from all other contests.

[ October 09, 2009, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: RichV ]

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:12 pm

Greg,

Since you stated that your goal is not to have owners buy multiple teams, why not limit one team per owner?

I would imagine this would be difficult to police on your end.

That's my biggest issue with the new format. The two dates doesn't bother me as much. I would guess that 75% of folks will choose the 27th though for obvious reasons.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:13 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

greg

maybe you should have said

"OK guys, new ownership, new ideas, we're going to have the draft one week prior to opening day for 2010".

ANY COMPLAINTS?

bill So Bill, you are assuming that we'd then have NO COMPLAINTS with that announcement?? You haven't been around the NFBC long enough, have you?

Just kidding.

But maybe you are right. But then again, maybe we'd always be at 390 teams for the main event rather than growing at a quicker pace. Time will tell, I guess. [/QUOTE]you're right, i haven't been in the NFBC long enough...but i was in management of a UNION coal mine for a few.

need i say more!

[ October 09, 2009, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:14 pm

I agree with Oak, but someone will point out how owners had multiple teams in Online;

I wonder how NFFC would like to have drafts on 2 weekends?

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:14 pm

DUKE:

Point taken, you know I respect your opinion. Especially on the Friday D/L rule, but this isn't the time or the place.

Just can't let you jump my guy CAPTAIN CRUNCH without a fight. It must be the policeman in me.

Sack

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:17 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

Greg:

As always, thanks for the honest honest. If YOU really believe that two days help grow the event than more power to the move. As a player, my preference was a singular day for the prestigous Main Event. I don't think the Online Championship is a fair comparison, the flexibility

and many available dates MADE that work. There was a reason the entry fee was $350.

I had no issue with the Flamingo, didn't mind the Stardust. Plus, I'm free to chose any hotel I'm willing to pay for during that week. While I'm sure a good deal would be in place, you answered my question in regard to how much this is going to cost.

We've always been on the same page my friend for what's best for our contests (and our families). But help me understand (other than the higher price of admission) why multiple teams and draft dates in the Online Championship is so different from the main event. Injuries still happened during those earlier days of the online championship and in fact folks want us to spread those out even further, by weeks, not days. Why is that okay for that contest but not the other?

I'm just asking to help us all understand that.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:18 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Kinda like allowing some people to buy a stock on a Monday at an IPO price, and then allowing others to buy it a week later at the same price, with more information regarding the market's reaction. Absolutely not true. Buying at an IPO price is a privelege as determined by the bookmakers on the deal, here you can choose which draft date you want.

However, it is exactly like being able to buy a stock today at the current market price, or next week at next week's market price, which may be a different price. That is not an even playing field by any stretch. If more information is known next week, the price will be either higher or lower depending on what the news is. But the stock (or player) in question can be acquired for his market price at the time you decide to buy.

Being able to buy at the prevailing market price is what makes it an even playing field.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:19 pm

Greg,

on a more important note.I keep attempting to enter my KDS and it will not take.Will we be able to enter these soon?

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:19 pm

I'll answer; because the Main Event is the MAIN EVENT; the GRAN DADDY of the weekend. One owner per team go at it with all you got!!! Why water it down

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:21 pm

Greg, could you possibly shed some light on the # of unique owners there were in the Online game?

As we believe there were 390 unique players in the Main Event, it would be interesting to see the differences.

Also, as you were running Online leagues midweek and weekends, you allowed for multiple owners. If online leagues were all drafted at the same time, similar to Main, you prevent that same issue.