All Time Baseball Draft

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:08 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

quote:Originally posted by Texas Connection:

thinking Todd is much more knowledgeable on these type of things and not wanting any extra junk mail......but also wondering in the back of my mind if this could be an elaborate ruse.....???????

??????? [/QUOTE]Come on Todd. First your involvement in the "Moon landing".....and now this

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:11 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:

quote:Originally posted by Texas Connection:

thinking Todd is much more knowledgeable on these type of things and not wanting any extra junk mail......but also wondering in the back of my mind if this could be an elaborate ruse.....???????

??????? [/QUOTE]Come on Todd. First your involvement in the "Moon landing".....and now this

[/QUOTE]What moon landing?

[ October 16, 2011, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:34 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Any potential time frame on when we may start? I think we should start right now. I'll sacrifice and pick first if everyone agrees just to get things started.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:28 am

Originally posted by Asumijet:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

i know someone said they didn't think anyone would try a gimmick, ie, punting a category or two. just wanted to get this answered b4 we begin, is punting okay in this league? I think the draft may dictate an owner to go in a certain direction which forces you to punt a category.

As someone mentioned earlier, some of these categories could be real tight. [/QUOTE]Reasoning for not limiting ourselves by requiring two RPs; which I am also not sure how we define that. For example, Haren pitched and won a game as an RP this year. Another reason for 1300 innings, if one of us needs to go 4 RPs or all SPs to stay competitive, I think we should be able to do that. If it can be done with batting categories, it should also be allowed with pitching.

Not trying to be difficult, I will roll with any set of rules. But I am in favor of anything that opens the number of possibilities to win.

I am also good with a little extra $ for a second (even third place prize.

asumijet at yahoo dot com [/QUOTE]I'd like for teams to have to at least try to compete in saves. There are enough relievers out there with plus wins and K's where a team could draft a non save reliever and help their team in other categories.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:30 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

To review:

5/10/15/23 blinds rounds

1500 innings

2 pitchers need to be relievers

Do we have any objections to any of these? If we are going to specify that 2 pitchers need to be relievers, can we have a qualifier on that?

The 2 pitchers you chose to be relievers must not have any Started (GS) for the season during which you use them.

Otherwise, the meaning of reliever can get a little tricky

Ex. 1960 Ernie Broglio G- 52 GS-24 GR- 28 W-21 IP-226 Is he a starter(24) or a reliever (28) ?

{Yes. This is that Ernie Broglio. Broglio came up in 1959 with the STL Cardinals and was essentially a starting pitcher for the redbirds outside of that 1960 season. During his first 6 years in the majors, all with STL, Broglio started 151 games and had a record of 70-55 with a 3.43 era. Not HoF numbers, but he was better than the league average with a 119 ERA+ during that time. Of course, the fact that he finished 3rd in the Cy Young for that 1960 is not Ernie’s real claim to “fame”.

On June 15th, 1964 Broglio was the key player for the Cubs to receive in a trade with the Cardinals. Unfortunately, Broglio struggled with the Cubs. During his 3 seasons in Chicago, his last 3 in the majors, Broglio was 7-19 with a 5.40 era.

Oh yeah. One of the players the Cubs traded to STL for Broglio, future HoF outfielder Lou Brock.

Brock for Broglio - Rated by ESPN as the number 1 worst trade deadline deal in MLB history. ESPN Worst Trades at the Deadline

See. We are learning baseball history already

}

Russel Wyatt (Navel Lint) - WrigleyRegular "at" comcast "dot" net [/QUOTE]How about 30 relief appearances (Games minus starts)?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:38 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Any potential time frame on when we may start? I'm waiting for one E-Mail address (Brian Dahl). When I have it, I'll E-mail Greg the list. I think he will do the KDS for us and we need to clear that he is ok accepting the payments for this. I think the final number for payment should be $140 as I know some players will pay with a card and I'm sure Greg would rather not take the hit for the 3 %.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:47 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Navel Lint:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

To review:

5/10/15/23 blinds rounds

1500 innings

2 pitchers need to be relievers

Do we have any objections to any of these? If we are going to specify that 2 pitchers need to be relievers, can we have a qualifier on that?

The 2 pitchers you chose to be relievers must not have any Started (GS) for the season during which you use them.

Otherwise, the meaning of reliever can get a little tricky

Ex. 1960 Ernie Broglio G- 52 GS-24 GR- 28 W-21 IP-226 Is he a starter(24) or a reliever (28) ?

{Yes. This is that Ernie Broglio. Broglio came up in 1959 with the STL Cardinals and was essentially a starting pitcher for the redbirds outside of that 1960 season. During his first 6 years in the majors, all with STL, Broglio started 151 games and had a record of 70-55 with a 3.43 era. Not HoF numbers, but he was better than the league average with a 119 ERA+ during that time. Of course, the fact that he finished 3rd in the Cy Young for that 1960 is not Ernie’s real claim to “fame”.

On June 15th, 1964 Broglio was the key player for the Cubs to receive in a trade with the Cardinals. Unfortunately, Broglio struggled with the Cubs. During his 3 seasons in Chicago, his last 3 in the majors, Broglio was 7-19 with a 5.40 era.

Oh yeah. One of the players the Cubs traded to STL for Broglio, future HoF outfielder Lou Brock.

Brock for Broglio - Rated by ESPN as the number 1 worst trade deadline deal in MLB history. ESPN Worst Trades at the Deadline

See. We are learning baseball history already

}

Russel Wyatt (Navel Lint) - WrigleyRegular "at" comcast "dot" net [/QUOTE]How about 30 relief appearances (Games minus starts)? [/QUOTE]I'm good with any rule. I just wanted to see the "reliever spot" defined.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:52 am

I'm good with 30 relief appearances also. So everyone needs 2 RP at least, we can have more than that though, correct?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:36 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

I'm good with 30 relief appearances also. So everyone needs 2 RP at least, we can have more than that though, correct? yes

vpokrnut · Post by **vpokrnut** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:26 am

I sent my email to cc but here it is any way

[email protected]

Texas Connection · Post by **Texas Connection** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:59 am

Todd, sorry for my confusing post. It was meant to poke fun at my lack of knowledge on all of this message board stuff. I know you are one who knows what he is talking about and I know I don't have a clue on any of it which is why I posted my email address that way. I had never heard of what you were saying about the at instead of @ and the dot instead of . . I can't even figure out how to repost the previous messages. I will go back to my analysis of 1996 Smoltz vs. 2002 Smoltz and whether I think hes a better starter or reliever.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:22 pm

Originally posted by vpokrnut:

I sent my email to cc but here it is any way

[email protected] The private message feature is having some delays lately. It only shows after I make a couple of clicks on the message board.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:24 pm

I sent out an E-mail to the league and Greg. I'm looking for a start time next Saturday.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:13 pm

I'll let Shawn address the rules questions officially, but I plan on tracking and making available the standings for everything but the blind rounds. At the conclusion of the draft, Doughboys will announce the blind picks and I will add those to the standings spreadsheet. Of course, Dan could be adding in the blind years and tracking privately, that is his business. It will take me 15 minutes to add in the blind picks at the end.

As stated i will publicly post the standings and totals after each round and make the spreadsheet available for everyone in the league to download off the web every time I update it, which should be every few picks, depending on how quickly we pick.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:11 am

Originally posted by :

Was anything decided on declaring a year with our selection? Is it stated with each pick, including blind rounds (which would be necessary to track standings)? Can it be changed? Any other specifics such as a limit on number of players we can change, the timing of the changes, position changes with year changes? I'd be up for allowing a limited number of year changes (2 or 3) which could include position changes, such as switching to an AROD year at 3b instead of SS, submitted with the blind pick in round 23 to complete the roster. You can't change the year. Once you select the player and the year, you are locked in for the draft. You can move a player to another position if he qualifies, but his stats won't change.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:14 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

I'll let Shawn address the rules questions officially, but I plan on tracking and making available the standings for everything but the blind rounds. At the conclusion of the draft, Doughboys will announce the blind picks and I will add those to the standings spreadsheet. Of course, Dan could be adding in the blind years and tracking privately, that is his business. It will take me 15 minutes to add in the blind picks at the end.

As stated i will publicly post the standings and totals after each round and make the spreadsheet available for everyone in the league to download off the web every time I update it, which should be every few picks, depending on how quickly we pick. This is correct. Todd won't know the year of the players in the blind round,

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:18 am

Originally posted by :

Thanks Todd, that clears up a lot. I certainly wasn't suggesting anything was being done inappropriately, but didn't know how the standings updates were being handled. With 4 guys to update at once with the final standings, things could really change significantly! Since mid-round standings won't mean anything, maybe ease your workload and just update it after each round? So all the blind picks are revealed at the end-- but the 15 guys selected are named alphabetically at the end of rounds 5, 10, and 15 so we can update our available players list, correct? Would their selected years be posted as well? Just curious. The picks have to be reveal so we know who we can't take. The year will be blind.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:20 am

Originally posted by :

Oops, I see only the spreadsheet will be updated each few picks... not the standings. Another D- in reading comprehension for this FOOL. From Todd's post:

but I plan on tracking and making available the standings for everything but the blind rounds.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:40 am

For the record, the spreadsheet that I make available via download for everyone in the league will have the rosters, standings and category totals. It is Excel based and has no macros. You just paste in the player and stat line then type in the team that drafts the player and the position and everything automatically updates. If someone wants, they can download it and enter the picks themselves.

When word of this gets out, it would not surprise me if some want to use it to track the slow drafts. You can load it with projections and it won't add anything up or put players on rosters until you enter in the team that picked the player and the position.

I could preload it for this draft, but it would be so big that it would take forever to download so I have the players set up on a separate sheet in a form that all I have to do is copy and paste the name/stats into the program.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:02 am

For my part, I will take silent picks in order. If a drafter selects a player that has already been silently drafted I will tell him that he's been picked, but not by which team.

At the end of the round, I will reveal in a jumbled order which players (not years) are off the Board.

Sound good?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:08 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

For my part, I will take silent picks in order. If a drafter selects a player that has already been silently drafted I will tell him that he's been picked, but not by which team.

At the end of the round, I will reveal in a jumbled order which players (not years) are off the Board.

Sound good? I like this and I think it will add an interesting twist.