All Time Baseball Draft

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:06 am

Its going to be difficult finding a solution that everyone will 100% love and agree with. The main purpose of these suggestions, and something everyone seems to think is that some sort of variability is necessary so the final results aren't known and manipulated.

Whatever decision Shawn makes on this issue works for me. I have my super spreadsheet broken down into tiers and ready to go. I am anxiously awaiting my draft spot, and look forward to competing with some of the finest in the industry.

I'm also ok with using the Federal League, just because their stats are already included on most records lists

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:25 am

Also for trivia's sake, Wrigley Field (then called Weeghman Park) was originally built for a Federal League team.

Home of the Chicago Whales.

(Are there whales in Lake Michigan?)

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Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:42 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

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quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

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Shawn- your "official rules" say any AL or NL player is draftable. Are you intentionally excluding the ? Do we need to include players for a league that ran two years? [/QUOTE]Do we need to EXCLUDE them? They are categorized as professional and the stats earned there are recognized as equal to AL and NL in the record books. It's part of baseball history. I'd say they should be eligible. [/QUOTE]I would be a no for the Federal League. [/QUOTE]Federal league? WTF is that?

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Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:48 am

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

I'm also ok with using the Federal League, just because their stats are already included on most records lists can you give a couple players that played in the federal league and what years they played. i need to see if i can get stats for these types of players. thx!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:59 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

I'm also ok with using the Federal League, just because their stats are already included on most records lists can you give a couple players that played in the federal league and what years they played. i need to see if i can get stats for these types of players. thx! [/QUOTE]Ed Plank, Edd Roush, Eddie Haskell.

1914-15

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:02 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Likewhat17:

I'm also ok with using the Federal League, just because their stats are already included on most records lists can you give a couple players that played in the federal league and what years they played. i need to see if i can get stats for these types of players. thx! [/QUOTE]http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/FL/1915.shtml But not a fan of using the Federal League

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DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:15 am

Originally posted by :

Eddie Haskell... my super sleeper!

The one draft where I thought I'd never hear that word!

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:42 am

Oh man is this draft going to be fun. I have never heard of some of these names and some of the names I have heard of - never knew what they accomplished. There are going to be lots of "did you knows....." over the next few weeks in my house. The first one is going to be "did you know Gekko didn't know about the Federal League?" Lol - I didn't either.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:16 pm

got it. okay, let's use federal league stats too

as i mentioned before, i am no baseball history buff. the only thing i know about baseball is the last 7 years of nfbc. i have very little knowledge of players b4 that. yes, of course i've heard of ruth, cobb, etc, but i'm lacking a bit after that

no problem though. all the numbers are there for me to interpret and i will do just that. i only join leagues i expect to win. this is one of them

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:24 pm

No offense, Fool.

But register!

You look like Spam!

Not the Hormel kind.

The not good kind.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:25 pm

Originally posted by Suburban Strugglers:

I think that if the players are listed in the record books along side all the other players who played in the AL and NL then there is no harm in using those players as well. I mean when you look at all time win leaders for example they are all listed just as all the AL and NL teams players are so I have no issue using those players as well. Ok...I'll let Todd make the call. If he has the player stats loaded in his spread sheet, then it is a yes. If he doesn't, then it's a no. It looks like the pitcher will only be the players of interest.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:30 pm

Originally posted by :

I'm certainly looking forward to this and getting to know you guys! Imagine the mindset in this league--- "Schilling will help in k's, but he's just gonna KILL my ERA..." "McCovey's just not good enough to waste a spot on..." I know the logistics of time and holding everybody's interest wouldn't allow it, but to me it would be even more fun to do 46-man rosters or 69-man rosters. Some GREAT players and seasons will go ignored in this contest. I think the beauty of this league is that you could do many of these type of drafts and each one would be incredibly different. Guys like Honus Wagner or Babe Ruth or Christy Mathewson may have seasons that aren't used from season to season. It's a cool concept.

STATS did simulation games for years. They ran the Bill James Classic game that was a big hit more than a decade ago and they ran the ESPN game that was very, very popular. Those were very, very successful. This is one concept that could work just as well as some of those sim games.

I'm going to watch this closely for several reasons. Great concept Shawn.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:37 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Suburban Strugglers:

I think that if the players are listed in the record books along side all the other players who played in the AL and NL then there is no harm in using those players as well. I mean when you look at all time win leaders for example they are all listed just as all the AL and NL teams players are so I have no issue using those players as well. Ok...I'll let Todd make the call. If he has the player stats loaded in his spread sheet, then it is a yes. If he doesn't, then it's a no. It looks like the pitcher will only be the players of interest. [/QUOTE]They''re not in the spreadsheet but it will not take me long to add them if we want.

Updating my rankings, however, that would take some time

Personally, I really do not see the need to add them but will go with the majority or however Shawn wants to do it.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:45 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Suburban Strugglers:

I think that if the players are listed in the record books along side all the other players who played in the AL and NL then there is no harm in using those players as well. I mean when you look at all time win leaders for example they are all listed just as all the AL and NL teams players are so I have no issue using those players as well. Ok...I'll let Todd make the call. If he has the player stats loaded in his spread sheet, then it is a yes. If he doesn't, then it's a no. It looks like the pitcher will only be the players of interest. [/QUOTE]They''re not in the spreadsheet but it will not take me long to add them if we want.

Updating my rankings, however, that would take some time

Personally, I really do not see the need to add them but will go with the majority or however Shawn wants to do it. [/QUOTE]I don't see a huge number of players to draft and it looks like most of the batters have no value. Let's pass on the Federal league.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:52 pm

Originally posted by Ando:

Whatever you all choose to do, please do one thing - keep the draft on the Message Board. There will be many eyes having fun watching you guys pick and learning more about the history of the game. I plan on following every pick.

Thank in advance. This draft will be on the message board. I thought this draft, thought process, and draft commentary might have some value as an E-Book. I'm not sure how to go about it, but we could have 16 owners share it (Dan included).

Some would be educating baseball history. Some would be breaking down the draft - possible mistakes or where I player gain an edge. Some would be developing thought process in decision making when building a fantasy team.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:56 pm

Originally posted by :

Buncha Benny Kauff haters!

He couldn't make it in the federal league...now beat it spammer.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:58 pm

Originally posted by :

Whoever wins this, you can thank Shawn now for not letting me drop a Claude Hendrix bomb on you in the 15th round.

He would have been long gone.....