2014 Early Season Draft Results

[BK METS]

Now yer thinking like Mike Rizzo!

Not really.
I'm trying to think like you, but not succeeding. Nor do I want to....

[Ando]

Now yer thinking like Mike Rizzo!

Not really.
I'm trying to think like you, but not succeeding. Nor do I want to....

+1

[Deadheadz]

Not really.
I'm trying to think like you, but not succeeding. Nor do I want to....

Trying to but not wanting to...sounds like a great use of your time.

Point is, you don't have to be a crack smoking Canadian mayor to buy into the hype of Bryce Harper or any other player (Puig, Gyorko, etc) with a short track record and high upside.

But paying a premium for upside doesn't usually end up well. Value and luck seems to be what wins a league. Luck being things like drafting Jose Fernandez in rounds 45-50 or David Ortiz in rounds 15+ last season.

Best of luck to Bryce Harper and his owners. In my opinion, you'll need it.

[Deadheadz]

Harper at 6th overall?

I think we just discovered the identity of Anonymous:
Toronto Mayor Rob Ford, welcome to the NFBC.

Really no shock at 6, if someone really wants him. I have already drafted him in the first round of a few DCs and would gladly take him again.

Question for you is: Did you draft him at pick 6 or higher? Would you?

I could see picking him at 12 or later in the first round, if you really wanted him and didn't think he'd last until your pick in round 2 (where he probably belongs).

[DOUGHBOYS]

Not really.
I'm trying to think like you, but not succeeding. Nor do I want to....

Trying to but not wanting to...sounds like a great use of your time.

Point is, you don't have to be a crack smoking Canadian mayor to buy into the hype of Bryce Harper or any other player (Puig, Gyorko, etc) with a short track record and high upside.

But paying a premium for upside doesn't usually end up well. Value and luck seems to be what wins a league. Luck being things like drafting Jose Fernandez in rounds 45-50 or David Ortiz in rounds 15+ last season.

Best of luck to Bryce Harper and his owners. In my opinion, you'll need it.

Yes, crapping on somebody who drafts Harper sixth Overall is much better use of time.

Look, I used to know it all too. At one time of our lives, we all did.
This hobby has a way of humbling you. We make our best picks in our own minds.
In your mind, Tulo was more attractive at eight, while crack is involved in thinking about Harper at six.
I don't get it, but like said before, I don't want to.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Let's keep the results coming and the discussions flowing:

NFBC Draft Champions League
Round 1:
1 1 Mike Trout CF
1 2 Miguel Cabrera 1B
1 3 Paul Goldschmidt 1B
1 4 Andrew McCutchen CF
1 5 Chris Davis 1B
1 6 Carlos Gonzalez LF
1 7 Jacoby Ellsbury CF
1 8 Ryan Braun RF
1 9 Robinson Cano 2B
1 10 Adam Jones CF
1 11 Clayton Kershaw SP
1 12 Hanley Ramirez SS
1 13 Bryce Harper LF
1 14 Troy Tulowitzki SS
1 15 Prince Fielder 1B

Round 2:
2 1 Yasiel Puig RF
2 2 Edwin Encarnacion 1B
2 3 Joey Votto 1B
2 4 Adrian Beltre 3B
2 5 Jason Kipnis 2B
2 6 Evan Longoria 3B
2 7 Giancarlo Stanton RF
2 8 Max Scherzer SP
2 9 Yu Darvish SP
2 10 Freddie Freeman 1B
2 11 Carlos Gomez CF
2 12 Jose Fernandez SP
2 13 Stephen Strasburg SP
2 14 Jean Segura SS
2 15 David Wright 3B

Round 3:
3 1 Dustin Pedroia 2B
3 2 Alex Rios RF
3 3 Jay Bruce RF
3 4 Ian Desmond SS
3 5 Jose Reyes SS
3 6 Adam Wainwright SP
3 7 Shin-Soo Choo CF
3 8 Justin Upton LF
3 9 Albert Pujols 1B
3 10 Buster Posey C
3 11 Jose Bautista RF
3 12 Matt Kemp CF
3 13 Starling Marte LF
3 14 Cliff Lee SP
3 15 Matt Carpenter 2B

Round 4:
4 1 Joe Mauer C
4 2 Chris Sale SP
4 3 Allen Craig 1B
4 4 Craig Kimbrel MR
4 5 Eric Hosmer 1B
4 6 Felix Hernandez SP
4 7 Justin Verlander SP
4 8 Ryan Zimmerman 3B
4 9 Elvis Andrus SS
4 10 Mark Trumbo 1B
4 11 Hunter Pence RF
4 12 Madison Bumgarner SP
4 13 Matt Holliday LF
4 14 Adrian Gonzalez 1B
4 15 David Price SP

Round 5:
5 1 Kenley Jansen MR
5 2 Billy Hamilton CF
5 3 Cole Hamels SP
5 4 Greg Holland MR
5 5 Aroldis Chapman MR
5 6 Manny Machado 3B
5 7 David Ortiz DH
5 8 Carlos Santana C
5 9 Zack Greinke SP
5 10 Ben Zobrist 2B
5 11 Wil Myers RF
5 12 Ian Kinsler 2B
5 13 Jason Heyward RF
5 14 Pedro Alvarez 3B
5 15 Anibal Sanchez SP

Round 6:
6 1 Gerrit Cole SP
6 2 James Shields SP
6 3 Wilin Rosario C
6 4 Yoenis Cespedes LF
6 5 Gio Gonzalez SP
6 6 Jonathan Lucroy C
6 7 Josh Donaldson 3B
6 8 Trevor Rosenthal MR
6 9 Jayson Werth RF
6 10 Hisashi Iwakuma SP
6 11 Yadier Molina C
6 12 Koji Uehara MR
6 13 Jordan Zimmermann SP
6 14 Michael Wacha SP
6 15 Jose Abreu 1B

Thoughts?

[Greg Ambrosius]

One more to start the day. Enjoy all:

NFBC Draft Champions League
Round 1:
1 1 Miguel Cabrera 1B
1 2 Mike Trout CF
1 3 Andrew McCutchen CF
1 4 Paul Goldschmidt 1B
1 5 Chris Davis 1B
1 6 Hanley Ramirez SS
1 7 Adam Jones CF
1 8 Carlos Gonzalez LF
1 9 Robinson Cano 2B
1 10 Clayton Kershaw SP
1 11 Bryce Harper LF
1 12 Ryan Braun RF
1 13 Jacoby Ellsbury CF
1 14 Jay Bruce RF
1 15 Yu Darvish SP

Round 2:
2 1 Troy Tulowitzki SS
2 2 Evan Longoria 3B
2 3 Prince Fielder 1B
2 4 Yasiel Puig RF
2 5 Edwin Encarnacion 1B
2 6 Giancarlo Stanton RF
2 7 David Wright 3B
2 8 Adrian Beltre 3B
2 9 Joey Votto 1B
2 10 Carlos Gomez CF
2 11 Dustin Pedroia 2B
2 12 Freddie Freeman 1B
2 13 Jason Kipnis 2B
2 14 Justin Upton LF
2 15 Jean Segura SS

Round 3:
3 1 Max Scherzer SP
3 2 Stephen Strasburg SP
3 3 Eric Hosmer 1B
3 4 Adam Wainwright SP
3 5 Alex Rios RF
3 6 Albert Pujols 1B
3 7 Matt Holliday LF
3 8 Felix Hernandez SP
3 9 Adrian Gonzalez 1B
3 10 Billy Hamilton CF
3 11 Jose Reyes SS
3 12 Shin-Soo Choo CF
3 13 Jose Fernandez SP
3 14 Cliff Lee SP
3 15 Ian Desmond SS

Round 4:
4 1 Buster Posey C
4 2 Allen Craig 1B
4 3 Craig Kimbrel MR
4 4 Hunter Pence RF
4 5 Chris Sale SP
4 6 Justin Verlander SP
4 7 Madison Bumgarner SP
4 8 David Price SP
4 9 Elvis Andrus SS
4 10 Ian Kinsler 2B
4 11 Zack Greinke SP
4 12 Jose Abreu 1B
4 13 Aroldis Chapman MR
4 14 Matt Carpenter 2B
4 15 Starling Marte LF

Round 5:
5 1 Kenley Jansen MR
5 2 Wilin Rosario C
5 3 Matt Kemp CF
5 4 Masahiro Tanaka SP
5 5 Wil Myers RF
5 6 Jose Bautista RF
5 7 Cole Hamels SP
5 8 Jose Altuve 2B
5 9 Greg Holland MR
5 10 Everth Cabrera SS
5 11 Yoenis Cespedes LF
5 12 Mark Trumbo 1B
5 13 Ryan Zimmerman 3B
5 14 Josh Hamilton RF
5 15 Josh Donaldson 3B

Round 6:
6 1 Carlos Santana C
6 2 Matt Cain SP
6 3 Joe Mauer C
6 4 Yadier Molina C
6 5 Brian McCann C
6 6 Pedro Alvarez 3B
6 7 David Robertson MR
6 8 Jason Heyward RF
6 9 Jordan Zimmermann SP
6 10 Jonathan Lucroy C
6 11 Jayson Werth RF
6 12 Trevor Rosenthal MR
6 13 Hisashi Iwakuma SP
6 14 Salvador Perez C
6 15 David Ortiz DH

Thoughts?

[Edwards Kings]

I cannot get my mind around Jose Abreu, and it is more than just my typical Missouri/Missouri mentality. Sure, the White Sox are rebuilding, but there seems to be a premium placed on him and he seems to be usually the first name of the (apologies to Dan) second tier. With other options on the roster who can play first, one wonders how many AB he will get and how he will handle MLB pitching with his big swing. Is he really going to show that much better than Rizzo or Belt?

[Gekko]

He had better power numbers than Cespedes and Puig. Could hit 35+ in the Cell

[Deadheadz]

Yes, crapping on somebody who drafts Harper sixth Overall is much better use of time.

Crapping on that pick was my honest opinion which was what Greg asked for after he posted the results and said "Thoughts?"
You said you're "trying to" understand where I'm coming from "but not wanting to" - so why waste your time trying?

Look, I used to know it all too. At one time of our lives, we all did.

You act like you still do.

In your mind, Tulo was more attractive at eight,

WRONG! I was disappointed that I didn't get to take Hanley at 8 but he went 6th and my plan for that draft was to take three high end SS with my first three picks. Crap on that if you want but I stuck to my plan.

while crack is involved in thinking about Harper at six.
I don't get it, but like said before, I don't want to.

You know how to stop, so please don't let me stop you.

[ikenbaseball]

The last draft had some interesting picks.

1.14 Jay Bruce
3.10 Billy Hamilton (picked just before Choo)
4.12 Jose Abreu


Krys

[Roger Dorn]

The last draft had some interesting picks.

1.14 Jay Bruce
3.10 Billy Hamilton (picked just before Choo)
4.12 Jose Abreu


Krys

Yes..."interesting" or crack induced. Either way these 6 rd DC results are fun to see how some use ADP on 'their guys' and 'reach'. Yesterday Medlen at 60 and today Bruce at 14. Who cares really. Team construction matters much more than one or two reaches but unfortunately we don't get that with only 6 rounds so these at least help pass the time.

[Edwards Kings]

He had better power numbers than Cespedes and Puig. Could hit 35+ in the Cell

You've been reading your Forecaster again!

He could and that would make him a top pick since only 14 guys hit 30+ last year, including several guys who are going way later than Abreu. He could, maybe. But is it more probable that 20-25 is more likely IF he gets close to 500 AB?

So let's say what is the over/under that he hits 25 with no conversation yet on BA (which will probably be good) RBI's and R's (the White Sox were 29th last year in runs scored)?

[ALL-IN JD]

$150 DC leagues are WHOLE different animal then a $1600 Main Event League. It's easy to split 10's in a blackjack with a $10 bet up there but I doubt you see many do it with $1000 bet up there. I will be anxious to see how often Jay Bruce goes at 14 with $1600 on the line instead of $150.

[Roger Dorn]

I cannot get my mind around Jose Abreu, and it is more than just my typical Missouri/Missouri mentality. Sure, the White Sox are rebuilding, but there seems to be a premium placed on him and he seems to be usually the first name of the (apologies to Dan) second tier. With other options on the roster who can play first, one wonders how many AB he will get and how he will handle MLB pitching with his big swing. Is he really going to show that much better than Rizzo or Belt?

IMO Belt's HR ceiling = Abreu's floor assuming comparable ABs

[DOUGHBOYS]

Yes, crapping on somebody who drafts Harper sixth Overall is much better use of time.

Crapping on that pick was my honest opinion which was what Greg asked for after he posted the results and said "Thoughts?"
You said you're "trying to" understand where I'm coming from "but not wanting to" - so why waste your time trying?

Look, I used to know it all too. At one time of our lives, we all did.

You act like you still do.

In your mind, Tulo was more attractive at eight,

WRONG! I was disappointed that I didn't get to take Hanley at 8 but he went 6th and my plan for that draft was to take three high end SS with my first three picks. Crap on that if you want but I stuck to my plan.

while crack is involved in thinking about Harper at six.
I don't get it, but like said before, I don't want to.

You know how to stop, so please don't let me stop you.

I'm betting when people stand close to you, they can hear the ocean.
Time wasted.

[Edwards Kings]

I cannot get my mind around Jose Abreu, and it is more than just my typical Missouri/Missouri mentality. Sure, the White Sox are rebuilding, but there seems to be a premium placed on him and he seems to be usually the first name of the (apologies to Dan) second tier. With other options on the roster who can play first, one wonders how many AB he will get and how he will handle MLB pitching with his big swing. Is he really going to show that much better than Rizzo or Belt?

IMO Belt's HR ceiling = Abreu's floor assuming comparable ABs

OK. I can see that. But does that put you in on Abreu in the 4th, 6th or 8th round assuming you haven't picked a first baseman prior?

[Glenneration X]

$150 DC leagues are WHOLE different animal then a $1600 Main Event League. It's easy to split 10's in a blackjack with a $10 bet up there but I doubt you see many do it with $1000 bet up there. I will be anxious to see how often Jay Bruce goes at 14 with $1600 on the line instead of $150.

I wouldn't split 10's in blackjack with your money up there.
Though I do see the point my friend.

[ikenbaseball]

Off the cuff. For the sake of conversation. IMO. As of today. I would draft Abreu around the same time as Adams. Bruce around the same time as Trumbo. And Hamilton right before or after Revere.
This is regardless of whether I'm invested for $150 or $1600.

Krys

[ALL-IN JD]

Glenneration X » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:51 am

ALL-IN JD wrote:
$150 DC leagues are WHOLE different animal then a $1600 Main Event League. It's easy to split 10's in a blackjack with a $10 bet up there but I doubt you see many do it with $1000 bet up there. I will be anxious to see how often Jay Bruce goes at 14 with $1600 on the line instead of $150.


I wouldn't split 10's in blackjack with your money up there.
Though I do see the point my friend.


After your successful football season buddy you can afford to split tens ALL of the time!!

[Roger Dorn]

I cannot get my mind around Jose Abreu, and it is more than just my typical Missouri/Missouri mentality. Sure, the White Sox are rebuilding, but there seems to be a premium placed on him and he seems to be usually the first name of the (apologies to Dan) second tier. With other options on the roster who can play first, one wonders how many AB he will get and how he will handle MLB pitching with his big swing. Is he really going to show that much better than Rizzo or Belt?

IMO Belt's HR ceiling = Abreu's floor assuming comparable ABs

OK. I can see that. But does that put you in on Abreu in the 4th, 6th or 8th round assuming you haven't picked a first baseman prior?

I can't blame someone for taking him in the 6th but I like the draft to come to me especially for uncertain early rounders like Abreu. I know value blah, blah, blah. If he 'fell' to the 9th-10th I would feel better about it but my feelings have little to do with winning.

I get the argument for 'reaching for your guy' but isn't it hard for that guy to be Abreu?

[Rog]

It all depends on team construction and what we think his upside is. I probably have him a little higher than most. That being said I like him anywhere after the 7th round(maybe 6th if I feel like my team is needing some more power). Whether it is a dc or main. I only have him on 1 team so far and I got him in the 9th.
Bruce is what he is and you know what you are getting when you draft him. I can see someone taking him who likes to build a steady team.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Abreu's Main Event status will most likely be tied in with his spring training. With a great spring, he could be taken in the fourth rounds of some Main Events.
Bad spring and he can be dropped to a double digit round.
Always tough judging a player without a Major League at bat...

[ALL-IN JD]

Although drafting a guy based on his spring training stats can be a recipe for disaster as well!!

[DOUGHBOYS]

Although drafting a guy based on his spring training stats can be a recipe for disaster as well!!

VERY TRUE!