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Post by Edwards Kings » Tue May 06, 2008 12:59 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

KOQ mentioned Kerry Wood from 1998, but obviously we weren't running this contest at that time.



Let's hear it. Any war stories from the past that involve in-season pickups, or did everyone just use the standard "last place gets first choice of free agents" method before FAAB?In 1998, I was playing in an NL-only rotisserie league that had first-come, first-served (FCFS) free agency. This was the relatively early days of the internet, so not everyone in the league had round-the-clock internet access. Nevertheless, half of the league was camped out on the computer waiting for the official news that Wood was recalled. Someone else beat me to the Kerry punch by 10 minutes (I was out on a coffee break), and of course Wood had his Rookie-of-the-Year season. I ended up winning the league, but the experience was so maddening I swore never to play in another FCFS again. Other than one local league that I played in from 2002-2003 (hi, Kimo!), I have remained true to my word.



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[/QUOTE]any stories of busts at that amount- so far Hamels and Wood would have both paid off. Glenn- congrats on nabbing him in I believe it was the super.
[/QUOTE]First off, I am half sorry about Maxies rough outing. One of my only friends who is also a Gator fan ( :eek: ) Ira blew alot of FA bucks to jump start his team with this latest phenom as has lots of other lost boys in this event. But only half sorry. The other half is looking at it as improving my own selfish chances. Only time will tell if Scherzer will be a closer the likes of Rivera or a starter the likes of Webb or a combination of both (Wood). He will have a couple more shots so I hope for you all it works out in 2008. I hope for me it doesn't, but thats baseball.



By the way, I bought one of the brides-maid gifts in Clement ($203) last Sunday but did not place any money on Scherzer because I knew I would not put enough gas in to win. But what do I know. I am only swimming with minnows I am told.



Now to Chesty's point. The biggest FA flop I bid on that I recall is when Matt Herges was to be the closer in SF (2005?) and he generated a lot of activity in the FA pool, but the bids were a laughable $150 to $250 (some cases more as I recall). I bid over $200 and got nada. Not on the same scale IF Scherzer flops in 2008, but it is the biggest I seem to recall.



Someone else asked about the in-season value to Baseball HQ. I have found their daily AL and NL writeups to be often VERY illuminating. They really look behind the numbers of hot and cold streaks and I have avoided alot of the kool-aide because of it. I have plumbed plenty of FA goodies based on their write-ups, too, and in many cases the week before the player made the big splash (i.e. Otsuka a couple of years ago just as an example).



Everyone on these boards knows I am a devotee of Shandler and Baseball HQ. I will however caution against their offer of Personal Advisors. On a flyer, I tried it last season and was severly disappointed. Not willing to condemn on one chance, I tried again this year. I told the personal advisor that I was in the NFBC and that they were no trades. He wrote back to me that I had too many starting pitchers and I should "...sell high..." on a few of them. He evidently did not understand NFBC or the whole "no-trade" concept. The rest of his analysis was superficial (told me I am weak on steals...imagine that) and in many cased contradicting other Baseball HQ general guidance.



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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Tue May 06, 2008 2:19 am

As bad as Scherzer's final line looked last night, I think it's safe to say that anyone who watched this guy pitch last night had to leave impressed by his potential. He was constantly hitting 93, 94, 95 and 96 with his fastball and that curveball was fooling a lot of guys like Burrell for strikeouts. He does have to get ahead of batters better as MLB hitters can sit on that fastball when it's 2-0 and hit it. But this guy does have good, good talent.



That third inning should have been over and done with at 2-1. Moyer slaps twice at fastballs to left field. Drew just had to knock down that next hard grounder and the inning was over. After that, you could tell the kid got frustrated and three more unearned runs rolled in.



His next outing will be an important one, but he showed a lot to me last night. That's a fluid arm motion and a damn good fastball. I agree, he needs some work on areas of his game, but I know I'd keep this kid in the rotation over Doug Davis. But that's just me. ;)
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Post by ALL-IN JD » Tue May 06, 2008 2:29 am

No doubt Greg. When he starts pitching ahead, watchout. Moreover, its actually hilarious that after one outing (against one of the top offenses) he was a total waste of $500 in FAAB money. How quickly his 14 up and 14 down debut was forgotten.

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Post by RedRum » Tue May 06, 2008 2:40 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Micah is a winner.



Look over his whole freaking life as a pitcher.



Winner.



You do not demote that to AAA.



Just a thought.



~Lance I agree.Owings will never be a AAA pitcher again...



The DBACKS cant afford to lose his bat..



He's the BEST Pitching Hitter of our generation.

Yes I said Pitching Hitter, not Hitting Pitcher..



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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 3:01 am

Like I said a few pages ago, if scherzer busts, you just move on. Just like with any free agent. Doesn't matter what you spent, unless you don't have enough faab to last the season. That would hurt.

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Post by Team Herron » Tue May 06, 2008 3:12 am

Greg,



As much as I agree with your comments - I dont possibly see them keeping Scherzer ahead of Davis at first (assuming he's medically cleared). If you watched Davs' last outing before the surgery, the team rallied around him and talked about him being a spiritual leader for a team.



As fantasy players we love potential. But in a pennant race, potential is potential. They will find a way to use him, but first they will find a way to get Davis back in the rotation. If nothing more, than to show him support through his difficult battle.



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Post by bjoak » Tue May 06, 2008 3:41 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

KOQ mentioned Kerry Wood from 1998, but obviously we weren't running this contest at that time.



Let's hear it. Any war stories from the past that involve in-season pickups, or did everyone just use the standard "last place gets first choice of free agents" method before FAAB?In 1998, I was playing in an NL-only rotisserie league that had first-come, first-served (FCFS) free agency. This was the relatively early days of the internet, so not everyone in the league had round-the-clock internet access. Nevertheless, half of the league was camped out on the computer waiting for the official news that Wood was recalled. Someone else beat me to the Kerry punch by 10 minutes (I was out on a coffee break), and of course Wood had his Rookie-of-the-Year season. I ended up winning the league, but the experience was so maddening I swore never to play in another FCFS again. Other than one local league that I played in from 2002-2003 (hi, Kimo!), I have remained true to my word.



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[/QUOTE]any stories of busts at that amount- so far Hamels and Wood would have both paid off. Glenn- congrats on nabbing him in I believe it was the super.
[/QUOTE]First off, I am half sorry about Maxies rough outing. One of my only friends who is also a Gator fan ( :eek: ) Ira blew alot of FA bucks to jump start his team with this latest phenom as has lots of other lost boys in this event. But only half sorry. The other half is looking at it as improving my own selfish chances. Only time will tell if Scherzer will be a closer the likes of Rivera or a starter the likes of Webb or a combination of both (Wood). He will have a couple more shots so I hope for you all it works out in 2008. I hope for me it doesn't, but thats baseball.



By the way, I bought one of the brides-maid gifts in Clement ($203) last Sunday but did not place any money on Scherzer because I knew I would not put enough gas in to win. But what do I know. I am only swimming with minnows I am told.



Now to Chesty's point. The biggest FA flop I bid on that I recall is when Matt Herges was to be the closer in SF (2005?) and he generated a lot of activity in the FA pool, but the bids were a laughable $150 to $250 (some cases more as I recall). I bid over $200 and got nada. Not on the same scale IF Scherzer flops in 2008, but it is the biggest I seem to recall.



Someone else asked about the in-season value to Baseball HQ. I have found their daily AL and NL writeups to be often VERY illuminating. They really look behind the numbers of hot and cold streaks and I have avoided alot of the kool-aide because of it. I have plumbed plenty of FA goodies based on their write-ups, too, and in many cases the week before the player made the big splash (i.e. Otsuka a couple of years ago just as an example).



Everyone on these boards knows I am a devotee of Shandler and Baseball HQ. I will however caution against their offer of Personal Advisors. On a flyer, I tried it last season and was severly disappointed. Not willing to condemn on one chance, I tried again this year. I told the personal advisor that I was in the NFBC and that they were no trades. He wrote back to me that I had too many starting pitchers and I should "...sell high..." on a few of them. He evidently did not understand NFBC or the whole "no-trade" concept. The rest of his analysis was superficial (told me I am weak on steals...imagine that) and in many cased contradicting other Baseball HQ general guidance.



Money burned and lesson learned. I will not go there again.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Wow, I guess if I had any interest in a personal advisor I'd want it to be someone ranked 1-41 lifetime in this contest so they better start hiring over there.
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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 3:42 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

But what do I know. I am only swimming with minnows I am told.

update...



League vs League

LEAGUE PTS

Las Vegas League 5 30643

New York League 3 30267

New York League 7 30172

Chicago League 4 30089

Las Vegas League 8 30066

New York League 6 30026

New York League 2 30017

Las Vegas League 1 29934

Las Vegas League 6 29679

Las Vegas League 7 29646

New York League 9 29608

New York League 8 29421

Chicago League 1 29391

New York League 5 29376

Las Vegas League 9 29273

Chicago League 2 29188

Orlando League 2 29082

Las Vegas League 4 28948

New York League 4 28879

Las Vegas League 3 28837

Chicago League 3 28566

Las Vegas League 10 28484

Las Vegas League 2 28358

New York League 1 28296

Orlando League 3 28140

Orlando League 1 28071

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Post by Edwards Kings » Tue May 06, 2008 4:28 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

But what do I know. I am only swimming with minnows I am told.

update...



League vs League

LEAGUE PTS

Las Vegas League 5 30643

New York League 3 30267

New York League 7 30172

Chicago League 4 30089

Las Vegas League 8 30066

New York League 6 30026

New York League 2 30017

Las Vegas League 1 29934

Las Vegas League 6 29679

Las Vegas League 7 29646

New York League 9 29608

New York League 8 29421

Chicago League 1 29391

New York League 5 29376

Las Vegas League 9 29273

Chicago League 2 29188

Orlando League 2 29082

Las Vegas League 4 28948

New York League 4 28879

Las Vegas League 3 28837

Chicago League 3 28566

Las Vegas League 10 28484

Las Vegas League 2 28358

New York League 1 28296

Orlando League 3 28140

Orlando League 1 28071
[/QUOTE]Of course, Mark. You are absolutely right.
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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 4:36 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Of course, Mark. You are absolutely right. I fully expect the orlando leagues to be normalized once the season is over.



Just having some fun with numbers wayne. Us scherzer owners need some fun today. :-(

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Post by Parnelli » Tue May 06, 2008 5:05 am

lol......These guys bashing make me laugh



Max Scherzer line this year

IP 8.1, ERA,2.16 WHIP 1.08, K's 12



This guys first 8IP are horrible.....lol
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Post by Parnelli » Tue May 06, 2008 5:14 am

I like my waiver pickups from this weekend:$513 Max,$4 Jo Jo Reyes,$1 Marcus Thames.....
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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 5:20 am

Originally posted by Parnelli:

lol......These guys bashing make me laugh



gotta agree with that.



consider who the "bashers" are (mostly never-have beens in the NFBC).



then consider who the recent scherzer owners are (some of the very best players in the NFBC).



i know which team my money is one (A LOT OF MY MONEY) :D

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Post by KJ Duke » Tue May 06, 2008 5:57 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:



consider who the "bashers" are (mostly never-have beens in the NFBC).

Am I a basher Gekko?



Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:



then consider who the recent scherzer owners are (some of the very best players in the NFBC).

Sure you're just not trying to make yourself feel better?



btw, I didn't get a great look at it, but that hard smash which was ruled an error and saved Max 3 ERs, sure seemed like it could have been ruled a hit. I've seen much much easier plays this year called errors, Gutierrez's drop of a fly ball the other night which cost CC 3 ERs for one, but there have been many examples of shoddy D going for hits. I'd consider him lucky to have a 2ER line, he deserved worse.



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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 6:00 am

I did say "most". ;)



I think u suffer more from tulogoner and gallargoner. Misery loves company? Maybe a little?

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Post by KJ Duke » Tue May 06, 2008 6:06 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I did say "most". ;)



I think u suffer more from tulogoner and gallargoner. Misery loves company? Maybe a little? I don't actually think I was bashing him, just thought expectations were way too high. He looked about as expected, a few dominating K's, a few BB's trying to be too fine once he realized his fastball is hittable and several hits by guys sitting on his fastball. And I'd still rank him fourth among Volquez, Lee, Cueto and Adenhart.



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Post by Team Herron » Tue May 06, 2008 7:50 am

I dont know if my comments make me a basher. I do think my record speaks for itself and feel I am justifed in my opinion. Im not bastardizing the guy.



In fact, Im sure sub-consciously I am partly justifying to myself why I made a rational decision to cap my bid at $511 so I dont feel like a complete schmuck if he is francisco Liriano for the rest of the year.



I followed the kid since he was in high school at Parkway Central. I am rooting for the hometown kid more than just about anyone. so I take a bit of offense to being called a basher just because I think he doesnt hold in the rotation by June.



His upside his huge and he will likely be a fantasy impact player in 2009.

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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 8:19 am

More defensive posts? Must be that kind of day.

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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 8:22 am

The posters who made legit concerns aren't the bashers. Just thought I'd make that clear.

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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 8:31 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I did say "most". ;)



I think u suffer more from tulogoner and gallargoner. Misery loves company? Maybe a little? I don't actually think I was bashing him, just thought expectations were way too high. He looked about as expected, a few dominating K's, a few BB's trying to be too fine once he realized his fastball is hittable and several hits by guys sitting on his fastball. And I'd still rank him fourth among Volquez, Lee, Cueto and Adenhart.
[/QUOTE]Duke - nah, you're not a basher.



Btw, I'm a tulo and gallargo loser too. :-(

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Post by eddiejag » Tue May 06, 2008 1:18 pm

i STILL THink some way some how he will be pitching in that rotatation.Maybe 50 year old Randy Johnson will go down again or Owings or Davis just dont pitch good enough.Hey he is the third best starting pitcher on the team right now.They know what they have and they need to get him innings.Even 5 to 6 innings a start would be fine, that way they can keep him around 150. Let Mad Max pitch.
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Post by Thunder » Tue May 06, 2008 3:14 pm

news out of arizona today (not sure if the source is reliable) reported that max won't go to the pen when davis comes back. he'll either have a spot in the rotation, or he'll return to AAA until a later date.
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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 3:42 pm

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

news out of arizona today (not sure if the source is reliable) reported that max won't go to the pen when davis comes back. he'll either have a spot in the rotation, or he'll return to AAA until a later date. link?

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Post by Thunder » Tue May 06, 2008 3:44 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

news out of arizona today (not sure if the source is reliable) reported that max won't go to the pen when davis comes back. he'll either have a spot in the rotation, or he'll return to AAA until a later date. link? [/QUOTE]i heard an interview on MLBonXM this morning with Buck and Mark. i missed who was doing the talking. that's why i stated the source could be unreliable.
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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue May 06, 2008 3:48 pm

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

news out of arizona today (not sure if the source is reliable) reported that max won't go to the pen when davis comes back. he'll either have a spot in the rotation, or he'll return to AAA until a later date. link? [/QUOTE]i heard an interview on MLBonXM this morning with Buck and Mark. i missed who was doing the talking. that's why i stated the source could be unreliable.
[/QUOTE]that goes against what i heard, but if they want to keep him a starter this year, that makes sense

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