THE NFBC MAIN EVENT IS NOW SOLD OUT AT 390 TEAMS!!

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:45 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The fact that several phone-in guys want lges of their own (excluding in-city drafters) concerns me. I don't have control over who is in my league in LV (any of 150 people could be in it), so why should you be limited in potential competitors?

Is it because the bulk of the phone-in players could be perceived as more novice than the diehard live drafter? I don't think phone drafters should have guarantees that they'll be in phone-player only lges. Many didn't there should even be phone-in leagues in this competition, now you want to be guaranteed not to face top players in the various cities.

I would have to agree 100% with Kevin on this one.

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Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:52 am

Originally posted by ESPN8 THE OCHO:

Just my opinion.

First- I have been in leagues where there was a phone hook up. It really is not a problem. A problem would be if phone competitors were limited to a certain number of players to compete against.

Second- MDC.com is great for sattelite leagues but for the main event people should have to track their own players. Obviously everyone in the event has a list but I don't like the fact MDC.com has the list of players in an order in front of them. Call me crazy but sometimes players are overlooked and this can remind people.

**** Phone poeple should be drawn randomly into leagues and should have to follow the draft via phone. It is how it was always done. It really causes no problem and it is only fair. I have to disagree with the Phone Hookup not being a problem, or a slow-downed process. Last year our draft was marred by phone issues getting hooked up, and it was impossible for them to be "put on the clock" effectively. It became quite fustrating waiting for picks on the phone each round with so much background noise on phone lines, as well as ensuring the right player's name was heard.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:26 am

The only reason this conversation has gone on so long is that people have pent-up enthusiasm waiting for Greg's announcement of draft positions.

If phone ins have a perceived advantage, I may go for the placebo effect and show up in Vegas with my jammies and bunny slippers with a cell pinned to my ear and MDC on the laptop. Trust me, this isn't something you want to see.

End the misery, Greg. Lets hear the latest.

[ March 12, 2009, 08:30 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:31 am

Jeff Benham of Estero, Florida has officially grabbed the 390th spot in the NFBC's main event as he will join us in the phone/online league on Saturday, March 21st. Jeff was a co-manager in the main event this year and he jumped in this year at the last minute to take his own team. We are officially sold out, but we are still working on some credit cards and trying to figure out the league configurations, so let's see what the next day brings.

But have no fear, we now have 390 TEAMS IN THE HOUSE!!! Thanks all and stay tuned for more details.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:37 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Jeff Benham of Estero, Florida has officially grabbed the 390th spot in the NFBC's main event as he will join us in the phone/online league on Saturday, March 21st. Jeff was a co-manager in the main event this year and he jumped in this year at the last minute to take his own team. We are officially sold out, but we are still working on some credit cards and trying to figure out the league configurations, so let's see what the next day brings.

But have no fear, we now have 390 TEAMS IN THE HOUSE!!! Thanks all and stay tuned for more details. In this economy, selling out this early is a testament to how this contest is run.

Great work Greg and Tom!!

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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:39 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The fact that several phone-in guys want lges of their own (excluding in-city drafters) concerns me. I don't have control over who is in my league in LV (any of 150 people could be in it), so why should you be limited in potential competitors?

Is it because the bulk of the phone-in players could be perceived as more novice than the diehard live drafter? I don't think phone drafters should have guarantees that they'll be in phone-player only lges. Many didn't there should even be phone-in leagues in this competition, now you want to be guaranteed not to face top players in the various cities.

This is a worthy point, but let's look at the facts first. 26 of the 35 owners in the Phone/Online League are returning members from last year's main event (74%), on par with the 80% overall. The phone draft includes a team that finished fourth overall, an owner who has won the Ultimate League and several NFBC Charter Members who are participating for the sixth time.

But you are right: The beauty about the NFBC is the randomness of your leagues and not knowing who you are going to compete against until the last minute. We wouldn't be at 390 without the phone/online option, but nobody said you were picking your opponents at that time. Same with the last minute signups in each city; they have no idea who they will be assigned against from the other cities or the phone/online league and that randomness is important.

Heck, as of this minute I don't even know how we'll split this up. But I promise that I'll have it all figured out in the next 24 hours and each league will be equally competitive. Good luck all.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:44 am

Originally posted by ESPN8 THE OCHO:

Second- MDC.com is great for sattelite leagues but for the main event people should have to track their own players. Obviously everyone in the event has a list but I don't like the fact MDC.com has the list of players in an order in front of them. Call me crazy but sometimes players are overlooked and this can remind people.

**** Phone poeple should be drawn randomly into leagues and should have to follow the draft via phone. It is how it was always done. It really causes no problem and it is only fair. Thanks for the feedback, but we do give five magazines to all of the live participants and our own Fantasy Sports Magazine has Mixed League rankings, and a Top 250. This is really no different than someone on the phone/online league having MDC's rankings in front of them. In the end, it's the people making the decisions and all 390 people have access to a list.

The bigger question to me is the randomness of the leagues and we'll figure that out.

crazytown · Post by **crazytown** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:47 am

I signed up to draft against 14 other live bodies in one room. There are numerous advantages to drafting at home in front of your computer when 14 others are located in some hotel convention hall in NYC. I don't want phone hookups in my league especially, nor in any league if possible.

The way I am reading things, the 110th person that signed up in NYC can be in a full league with 15 live drafters and the 1st signup could be in a league with 1 or more phone hookups. Am I understanding everything correctly?

I appreciate any and all responses.

Thanks,

Dan

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:50 am

Originally posted by crazytown.gov:

I signed up to draft against 14 other live bodies in one room. There are numerous advantages to drafting at home in front of your computer when 14 others are located in some hotel convention hall in NYC. I don't want phone hookups in my league especially, nor in any league if possible.

The way I am reading things, the 110th person that signed up in NYC can be in a full league with 15 live drafters and the 1st signup could be in a league with 1 or more phone hookups. Am I understanding everything correctly?

I appreciate any and all responses.

Thanks,

Dan No, you're not reading it correctly Dan. You are in a full league. Good luck.

crazytown · Post by **crazytown** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:51 am

I guess I of my questions would be, will there be 6 leagues with 1 phone in guy and 1 full 15 team in person league or 6 full 15 team leagues and 1 with 9 in person and 6 phone hookups?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:57 am

Originally posted by crazytown.gov:

I guess I of my questions would be, will there be 6 leagues with 1 phone in guy and 1 full 15 team in person league or 6 full 15 team leagues and 1 with 9 in person and 6 phone hookups? Dan, your math is bad. New York will have 7 full leagues with 8 owners in one league and a hookup of some kind.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:08 am

phone or in-person...doesn't matter. let's get it on!

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:12 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

phone or in-person...doesn't matter. let's get it on! I agree 100%!

You either have skills or you don't. Being on the phone isn't going to be a deciding factor in success or faiure.

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:13 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The fact that several phone-in guys want lges of their own (excluding in-city drafters) concerns me. I don't have control over who is in my league in LV (any of 150 people could be in it), so why should you be limited in potential competitors?

Is it because the bulk of the phone-in players could be perceived as more novice than the diehard live drafter? I don't think phone drafters should have guarantees that they'll be in phone-player only lges. Many didn't there should even be phone-in leagues in this competition, now you want to be guaranteed not to face top players in the various cities.

Although I do not wish to burden Greg with crap...I agree with KJ big time!

Aside from Orlando...

:rolleyes: ...there is no better way to "fix" a league with either people you know...or to avoid people you don't want to know..then the phone/online option.

The only way to keep it on the up and up...is to spread it out. (randomly...my favorite thing!)

~Lance [/QUOTE]I have the same concerns. The integrity of the NFBC must always remain the single most important factor. No need to say more.

crazytown · Post by **crazytown** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:15 am

Thanks Greg

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:30 am

Why anyone would feel the need to post about this stuff is beyond me. Have a concern/question? Send Greg a message. Folks coming in here and bringing up integrity is so ignorant. In fact, if Greg doesn't start handing out, errr, randomly assigning 15th choice draft slots, I'm gonna be disappointed.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:32 am

also gotta say that if Orlando is as easy as what some infer, I am shocked there are so few that chose to go there. Personally, I enjoyed the Orlando experience last year, and am ready to try Vegas this year.

Cheers

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:33 am

Originally posted by crazytown.gov:

I signed up to draft against 14 other live bodies in one room. There are numerous advantages to drafting at home in front of your computer when 14 others are located in some hotel convention hall in NYC.

What would they be dan ??

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:33 am

well- at least that same bunch will be back in chicago drafting in 4 easy leagues- with one really lucky phone in. we even kicked dak out- he was too good. he is a " phone guy" now. jurney can play- he has already won- so we will rotate to someone else.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:20 am

Originally posted by Potter:

Why anyone would feel the need to post about this stuff is beyond me. Have a concern/question? Send Greg a message. Folks coming in here and bringing up integrity is so ignorant. In fact, if Greg doesn't start handing out, errr, randomly assigning 15th choice draft slots, I'm gonna be disappointed. Wow I could not disagree more. I would never take a dime from my company, but I am responsible for setting up strong internal controls so that it is more than my word supporting that assertion.

Same applies here. People are simply encouraging Greg/Tom to take the route that protects as many internal controls as possible.

Bottom line is they asked for feedback and the feedback is to protect internal controls over making this more convenient for a few folks. Nothing at all ignorant or wrong about that.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:22 am

I'm not worried about the level of competition, but I think there are a couple things that are issues with phone leagues.

There is no fee for a co-owner if you stay home and there is no need to get a back-up battery for a laptop. There is of course no flight and hotel cost. These things can be seen as incentives to do the draft at home. That is fine if it is what you are going for, but I just hope I am not the only one who shows up in Vegas in 2015. I think the live event is great fun. There is a separate online league that fills the void those who want to do it at home.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:26 am

Originally posted by Potter:

Why anyone would feel the need to post about this stuff is beyond me. Have a concern/question? Send Greg a message. Folks coming in here and bringing up integrity is so ignorant. In fact, if Greg doesn't start handing out, errr, randomly assigning 15th choice draft slots, I'm gonna be disappointed. You used the word ignorant incorrectly (or, ignorantly, if you will).

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Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:27 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Potter:

Why anyone would feel the need to post about this stuff is beyond me. Have a concern/question? Send Greg a message. Folks coming in here and bringing up integrity is so ignorant. In fact, if Greg doesn't start handing out, errr, randomly assigning 15th choice draft slots, I'm gonna be disappointed. Wow I could not disagree more. I would never take a dime from my company, but I am responsible for setting up strong internal controls so that it is more than my word supporting that assertion.

Same applies here. People are simply encouraging Greg/Tom to take the route that protects as many internal controls as possible.

Bottom line is they asked for feedback and the feedback is to protect internal controls over making this more convenient for a few folks. Nothing at all ignorant or wrong about that. [/QUOTE]Thanks, Chest. You beat me to it.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:34 am

Those of us that have been around this from the start have come to a level of trust with Greg and Tom and the product Krause has given us a chance to partake in.

I agree with Potter, let's move forward and let Greg concentrate on setting the leagues a week in advance so we can concentrate on draft strategy.

That is the only "context" I'm concerned with at this point.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:39 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Potter:

Why anyone would feel the need to post about this stuff is beyond me. Have a concern/question? Send Greg a message. Folks coming in here and bringing up integrity is so ignorant. In fact, if Greg doesn't start handing out, errr, randomly assigning 15th choice draft slots, I'm gonna be disappointed. Wow I could not disagree more. I would never take a dime from my company, but I am responsible for setting up strong internal controls so that it is more than my word supporting that assertion.

Same applies here. People are simply encouraging Greg/Tom to take the route that protects as many internal controls as possible.

Bottom line is they asked for feedback and the feedback is to protect internal controls over making this more convenient for a few folks. Nothing at all ignorant or wrong about that. [/QUOTE]Sorry Emment-Ken i think i will have to agree with Chest on this one. I dont think debate ever hurts anything and its always better if its out in the open.

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