SLOW DRAFT PROTOCOL

[Greg Ambrosius]

The amount of B.S. in this thread has me sick. Starting with David. Obviously if they timed out in the first round they didn't realize we started the draft already. We sent out an email to each owner and I contacted owners for their KDS the day before and let them know this was starting on Wednesday night. But maybe they missed the email or didn't see it. Whatever the case, they aren't taking the full 8 hours to be jerks they obviously didn't realize the draft started.

An email to me could have easily gotten us to contact them. Tom just did that and hopefully we'll be on our way.

For Gekko to say that the Auto One Round would have solved this is ludicrous. This is about owners not knowing the draft started, not taking their time or having an auto-pick solve things. Figure it out guys.

I know everyone is antsy, but this thread is ridiculous. Just ridiculous.

[rockitsauce]

Hmmm.......I thought the agreed upon rule regarding "Anonymous" is that the anonymous drafter's identity would be revealed to all others in the draft with him. That the whole purpose of allowing anonymous signups would be for those who didn't want their names on the message boards lists so that others wouldn't follow them into drafts to find out their sleepers or for other reasons like job searches, etc. That the true identity would be revealed to those drafting in the same league so that an even playing field could be established so that the anonymous drafter wouldn't know the sleepers of other drafters without having to reveal his own? Hmmmmm.

Is this not the case?

In this particular draft team 12 was listed as ANONYMOUS, in the draft room it says team LeMark (for team 12). Other than team 4 being given Ellsbury after the 8 hr limit, he is the only team that we've yet to see log in. So there's some concern amongst the dudes

[Glenneration X]

Hmmm.......I thought the agreed upon rule regarding "Anonymous" is that the anonymous drafter's identity would be revealed to all others in the draft with him. That the whole purpose of allowing anonymous signups would be for those who didn't want their names on the message boards lists so that others wouldn't follow them into drafts to find out their sleepers or for other reasons like job searches, etc. That the true identity would be revealed to those drafting in the same league so that an even playing field could be established so that the anonymous drafter wouldn't know the sleepers of other drafters without having to reveal his own? Hmmmmm.

Is this not the case?

In this particular draft team 12 was listed as ANONYMOUS, in the draft room it says team LeMark (for team 12). Other than team 4 being given Ellsbury after the 8 hr limit, he is the only team that we've yet to see log in. So there's some concern amongst the dudes

Well, according to the rules discussions as I remember them being finalized, I'm assuming his "true" name must be Andre LeMark or something along those lines.

[Money]

Hmmm.......I thought the agreed upon rule regarding "Anonymous" is that the anonymous drafter's identity would be revealed to all others in the draft with him. That the whole purpose of allowing anonymous signups would be for those who didn't want their names on the message boards lists so that others wouldn't follow them into drafts to find out their sleepers or for other reasons like job searches, etc. That the true identity would be revealed to those drafting in the same league so that an even playing field could be established so that the anonymous drafter wouldn't know the sleepers of other drafters without having to reveal his own? Hmmmmm.

Is this not the case?

This is an excellent question and is perfect coming in December. With multiple weekend drafts for like events I think all expectations for the interpretation of this rule is necessary. If I'm drafting two different teams on different weekends I'm using anonymous the first weekend if others are. I would like to state that I interpreted the ruling in the same manner Glenn described above.

Above all else I'm on board for simply identifying each owner for each draft. I understand the possible business repercussions although I believe them to be minimal. Ultimately whatever is decided (although I thought it was decided) is fine with me.

[Gekko]

Greg –I never said the “auto one round” function would solve THIS problem. I said it helps keep drafts from slowing down. From what David posted, how would I know if that functionality would have solved THIS problem? Again, that’s not what I said. I’m sorry if that’s how you took it. I would have guessed the owner(s) didn’t realize the draft had started. And it appears that’s indeed what happened in this situation.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Hmmm.......I thought the agreed upon rule regarding "Anonymous" is that the anonymous drafter's identity would be revealed to all others in the draft with him. That the whole purpose of allowing anonymous signups would be for those who didn't want their names on the message boards lists so that others wouldn't follow them into drafts to find out their sleepers or for other reasons like job searches, etc. That the true identity would be revealed to those drafting in the same league so that an even playing field could be established so that the anonymous drafter wouldn't know the sleepers of other drafters without having to reveal his own? Hmmmmm.

Is this not the case?

In this particular draft team 12 was listed as ANONYMOUS, in the draft room it says team LeMark (for team 12). Other than team 4 being given Ellsbury after the 8 hr limit, he is the only team that we've yet to see log in. So there's some concern amongst the dudes

If Team 4 timed out I wish I had known that. Obviously he wasn't ready for the start of the Slow Draft. We have contacted him again. Let me know in Round 2 if he's still not in and we'll stop this. Once we get everyone into the room I trust things will move quickly.

Again, tell the dudes to contact me if Team 4 doesn't show up and we'll stop the draft and do all we can to get him into the draft room. That makes more sense than claiming he was purposely taking all 8 hours for his pick.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Hmmm.......I thought the agreed upon rule regarding "Anonymous" is that the anonymous drafter's identity would be revealed to all others in the draft with him. That the whole purpose of allowing anonymous signups would be for those who didn't want their names on the message boards lists so that others wouldn't follow them into drafts to find out their sleepers or for other reasons like job searches, etc. That the true identity would be revealed to those drafting in the same league so that an even playing field could be established so that the anonymous drafter wouldn't know the sleepers of other drafters without having to reveal his own? Hmmmmm.

Is this not the case?

In this particular draft team 12 was listed as ANONYMOUS, in the draft room it says team LeMark (for team 12). Other than team 4 being given Ellsbury after the 8 hr limit, he is the only team that we've yet to see log in. So there's some concern amongst the dudes

Well, according to the rules discussions as I remember them being finalized, I'm assuming his "true" name must be Andre LeMark or something along those lines.

Glenn, this is an ANONYMOUS owner and everyone knew that going into this league. We have to sign him up using a name, address, etc. on the Registration page. This owner will have this name and login for every league he/she competes in under ANONYMOUS. You'll see this name going forward if he/she does one or more of these leagues and a different ANONYMOUS will have a different name because we have to log them in with names. So keep track of Andre LeMark and maybe you can solve the ANONYMOUS.

[Hells Satans]

I'm going to wear a Groucho Marx disguise and a cocktail dress for my first weekend drafts.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Greg –I never said the “auto one round” function would solve THIS problem. I said it helps keep drafts from slowing down. From what David posted, how would I know if that functionality would have solved THIS problem? Again, that’s not what I said. I’m sorry if that’s how you took it. I would have guessed the owner(s) didn’t realize the draft had started. And it appears that’s indeed what happened in this situation.

We've already stated that we are working on the Round One Que for folks to speed up Slow Drafts. We had all of our efforts on football to make sure those playoffs finished perfectly and now we can start solving some baseball enhancements. This feature is near the top of our To-Do list, but c'mon guys, it's December and people are bitching about Slow Drafts already??? This thread should have started "Greg, one owner didn't realize we started the draft and he got auto-picked in the first round. Can you help?" That would have been better than "this guy just made my life miserable by taking all 8 hours to not know our Slow Draft had started. That SUCKS FOR ME."

[Greg Ambrosius]

Hmmm.......I thought the agreed upon rule regarding "Anonymous" is that the anonymous drafter's identity would be revealed to all others in the draft with him. That the whole purpose of allowing anonymous signups would be for those who didn't want their names on the message boards lists so that others wouldn't follow them into drafts to find out their sleepers or for other reasons like job searches, etc. That the true identity would be revealed to those drafting in the same league so that an even playing field could be established so that the anonymous drafter wouldn't know the sleepers of other drafters without having to reveal his own? Hmmmmm.

Is this not the case?

This is an excellent question and is perfect coming in December. With multiple weekend drafts for like events I think all expectations for the interpretation of this rule is necessary. If I'm drafting two different teams on different weekends I'm using anonymous the first weekend if others are. I would like to state that I interpreted the ruling in the same manner Glenn described above.

Above all else I'm on board for simply identifying each owner for each draft. I understand the possible business repercussions although I believe them to be minimal. Ultimately whatever is decided (although I thought it was decided) is fine with me.

Be ANONYMOUS if you want Joe. Everyone be ANONYMOUS if they want. ANONYMOUS is in Slow Draft 4 and a different ANONYMOUS is in Slow Draft 5. They aren't doing it to scout those 14 owners' picks and have a scouting report on each guy in case they land in a Main Event league with them. But I hear ya. Everyone knows LeMark is an ANONYMOUS owner; I already posted that on the signup thread. All 14 other owners in this league didn't care and will kick his/her ass in the draft room. I thought that was settled...by these 15 owners.

[Greg Ambrosius]

I'm going to wear a Groucho Marx disguise and a cocktail dress for my first weekend drafts.

Great, you'll look just like me!! Outside of the dress and cigar, that's how I look every day.

Finally, some levity in a stupid thread.

[rockitsauce]

The amount of B.S. in this thread has me sick. Starting with David. Obviously if they timed out in the first round they didn't realize we started the draft already. We sent out an email to each owner and I contacted owners for their KDS the day before and let them know this was starting on Wednesday night. But maybe they missed the email or didn't see it. Whatever the case, they aren't taking the full 8 hours to be jerks they obviously didn't realize the draft started.

An email to me could have easily gotten us to contact them. Tom just did that and hopefully we'll be on our way.

For Gekko to say that the Auto One Round would have solved this is ludicrous. This is about owners not knowing the draft started, not taking their time or having an auto-pick solve things. Figure it out guys.

I know everyone is antsy, but this thread is ridiculous. Just ridiculous.

Greg, I think u need to re-read what I wrote. I never insulted anyone as you imply by saying "they aren't taking the full 8 hours to be jerks", no I'm just flabbergasted that in this era where everybody is on their goddamn phone, texting while they drive, and doing everything humanly possible to get info NOW NOW NOW, that a guy would neglect to check his email when we all KNEW the draft would be starting at any time. I realize mistakes happen. I think everyone would appreciate simple communication.

In the draftroom last night, one of the guys said he was contacting u or Tom so I figured something was being done.

As I said before this is my 1st Slow Draft and I have learned a valuable lesson. This format is not for me. These are always the 1st drafts of the yr, so they're very tempting. I think I will take Jack's wise words to heart and avoid these in the future.

*btw, I couldn't care less about anonymous, they could all be anonymous for all I care. Our concern was is this going to be the 3rd guy who evidently isn't aware that this draft started. (team 4 - all 8 hrs, team 10 - about 7 hrs, now we're 2 1/2 hrs into anonymous/LeMark)

[Greg Ambrosius]

David, nobody contacted me or Tom last night. If they had we would have stopped the draft and really pissed you off. But now we have one owner who didn't make his pick and for whatever reason he missed the email stating that we are starting. He paid and set his KDS, so something is amiss. Let me know if he doesn't show in the second round.

I disagree with your assessment here. Once the Slow Drafts get rolling, they are a blast and GREAT information. They are great for interaction between owners asking about different players and many other things. They work well if you have the patience to finish a draft in 24 days. Let's see, that would be around Jan. 20th, 2+ months before the season. Why wouldn't you have the patience for that?

Jack is steering you away from Slow Drafts? Okay, listen to the lawyer then. We all have our levels of patience and reasons for doing these. But all it took was one complaint for folks to jump in and criticize the format. Crazy. A draft in December where one owner didn't get the memo that we started and folks who hadn't posted in months are telling folks to stop drafting!!! Crazy.

Let's get all 15 owners in this league on the same page and in the draft room and I trust you'll have fun. If you don't, then yes, you don't have the patience for these.

[Quahogs]

I'm going to wear a Groucho Marx disguise and a cocktail dress for my first weekend drafts.

If that's the case I will need a Craig Kielinski homemade table partition. To block the view of you and your dress. That's if Kielinksi will get there on time to set it up for me.

[Hells Satans]

I'm going to wear a Groucho Marx disguise and a cocktail dress for my first weekend drafts.

If that's the case I will need a Craig Kielinski homemade table partition. To block the view of you and your dress. That's if Kielinksi will get there on time to set it up for me.

Oh, don't worry. I'll be drafting from home the first weekend.

[The Mighty Men]

David, nobody contacted me or Tom last night. If they had we would have stopped the draft and really pissed you off. But now we have one owner who didn't make his pick and for whatever reason he missed the email stating that we are starting. He paid and set his KDS, so something is amiss. Let me know if he doesn't show in the second round.

I disagree with your assessment here. Once the Slow Drafts get rolling, they are a blast and GREAT information. They are great for interaction between owners asking about different players and many other things. They work well if you have the patience to finish a draft in 24 days. Let's see, that would be around Jan. 20th, 2+ months before the season. Why wouldn't you have the patience for that?

Jack is steering you away from Slow Drafts? Okay, listen to the lawyer then. We all have our levels of patience and reasons for doing these. But all it took was one complaint for folks to jump in and criticize the format. Crazy. A draft in December where one owner didn't get the memo that we started and folks who hadn't posted in months are telling folks to stop drafting!!! Crazy.

Let's get all 15 owners in this league on the same page and in the draft room and I trust you'll have fun. If you don't, then yes, you don't have the patience for these.

I'm not trying to steer anyone away from these. All I said was 1) I don't do them because I'm too impatient, and 2) don't complain. I could have said just ST_U and stop complaining, but I tried to be slightly more diplomatic than that.

What does being a lawyer have to do with this, Mr. game operator?

Has the "pig farmer" signed up for any of these? I'll check if my partner the "toilet evacuator" has signed up for any.

[Quahogs]

I'm going to wear a Groucho Marx disguise and a cocktail dress for my first weekend drafts.

If that's the case I will need a Craig Kielinski homemade table partition. To block the view of you and your dress. That's if Kielinksi will get there on time to set it up for me.

Oh, don't worry. I'll be drafting from home the first weekend.

Then feel free But please leave home without it for weekend #2

[Greg Ambrosius]

David, nobody contacted me or Tom last night. If they had we would have stopped the draft and really pissed you off. But now we have one owner who didn't make his pick and for whatever reason he missed the email stating that we are starting. He paid and set his KDS, so something is amiss. Let me know if he doesn't show in the second round.

I disagree with your assessment here. Once the Slow Drafts get rolling, they are a blast and GREAT information. They are great for interaction between owners asking about different players and many other things. They work well if you have the patience to finish a draft in 24 days. Let's see, that would be around Jan. 20th, 2+ months before the season. Why wouldn't you have the patience for that?

Jack is steering you away from Slow Drafts? Okay, listen to the lawyer then. We all have our levels of patience and reasons for doing these. But all it took was one complaint for folks to jump in and criticize the format. Crazy. A draft in December where one owner didn't get the memo that we started and folks who hadn't posted in months are telling folks to stop drafting!!! Crazy.

Let's get all 15 owners in this league on the same page and in the draft room and I trust you'll have fun. If you don't, then yes, you don't have the patience for these.

I'm not trying to steer anyone away from these. All I said was 1) I don't do them because I'm too impatient, and 2) don't complain. I could have said just ST_U and stop complaining, but I tried to be slightly more diplomatic than that.

What does being a lawyer have to do with this, Mr. game operator?

Has the "pig farmer" signed up for any of these? I'll check if my partner the "toilet evacuator" has signed up for any.

Oh boy, now folks are taking offense to their occupations. Now I know this thread has served no purpose. No offense intended Jack. Next time I'll refer to you as CHAMP since you seem to be winning every NFBC or NFFC contest you enter.

Back to the issue at hand: If you see someone not making a pick in the first round of any Slow Draft, please contact me at [email protected]. We aren't in the draft room every minute of every day, so at night we may miss something like this. Just inform us and we'll stop the draft and contact the owner. Sorry for the slow start in this one, but it happens when we fill up fast and start these the next day. Like David said, everyone should be ready to go if they sign up for these but during the holidays anything can happen and it apparently has here. We'll get this owner up and running and again I trust everyone in this league will have fun and learn a lot from these results. Heck, one of you might even win a lot of money.

Enjoy and now the game operator is out of this thread.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Okay, just to update this thread one last time: The owner in question was apparently out of the country & had connection issues when we started this league yesterday and thus that's why he missed the email. Everyone is now in the draft room and I trust this league will move along very nicely. Glad to see a crisis has been solved.

[rockitsauce]

I could have said just ST_U and stop complaining, but I tried to be slightly more diplomatic than that.

Jack, you are a scholar & a gentlemen. Since you are also a bumpkin from the midwest I know that you are FAR too polite to ever speak in such a manner

Now you 2 fellas should just decide this on the bball court - Greg, fair warning Jack has beaten Craig Hodges at HORSE

Here's a lawyer joke guaranteed to lighten the mood - what do u call 40,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?

answer - a good start

[The Mighty Men]

All is good. The lawyer was just hassling the game operator a little bit. Plus I don't get to use the phrase "toilet evacuator" very often in a post.

[Atlas]

I'm going to wear a Groucho Marx disguise and a cocktail dress for my first weekend drafts.

[Glenneration X]

Hmmm.......I thought the agreed upon rule regarding "Anonymous" is that the anonymous drafter's identity would be revealed to all others in the draft with him. That the whole purpose of allowing anonymous signups would be for those who didn't want their names on the message boards lists so that others wouldn't follow them into drafts to find out their sleepers or for other reasons like job searches, etc. That the true identity would be revealed to those drafting in the same league so that an even playing field could be established so that the anonymous drafter wouldn't know the sleepers of other drafters without having to reveal his own? Hmmmmm.

Is this not the case?

Well, according to the rules discussions as I remember them being finalized, I'm assuming his "true" name must be Andre LeMark or something along those lines.

Glenn, this is an ANONYMOUS owner and everyone knew that going into this league. We have to sign him up using a name, address, etc. on the Registration page. This owner will have this name and login for every league he/she competes in under ANONYMOUS. You'll see this name going forward if he/she does one or more of these leagues and a different ANONYMOUS will have a different name because we have to log them in with names. So keep track of Andre LeMark and maybe you can solve the ANONYMOUS.

You're right Greg. I only remembered part of the ruling on how Anonymous users would be handled moving forward. Though I remembered that the Anonymous user would be "outed" to the other drafters in his league once in the draft room if he registered under his own name, it was an incomplete recollection. I didn't recall or possibly didn't notice that the Anonymous user had/has the option to register under a name that isn't even his own. See below in bold for the ruling provided by Greg in a previous thread.....

Now to be clear: If a person signs up under his own login, he can change the team name but within the league his real name will be on the Owner's List. So it's very possible that someone will be listed as ANONYMOUS on the NFBC Message Boards, but once everyone enters the online draft room the league members will know who he is. If someone signs up under a totally different account, then that's who is listed on the signup page. In that instance, they would be listed as ANONYMOUS on the Message Boards and possibly Joe Smith in the draft room. It's how far the owner wants to take it that decides how they are listed in the online draft room.

I have to believe I didn't notice that caveat in the ruling because to me it is a troubling enough allowable option to allow an alias in registering that it would be ingrained in my memory. All that's been shifted is that the alias is moved from the message board signup list to the registration page. Still, that's obviously the rule for 2012. So be it. I would just hope that any prize checks made out to this owner be made out to Andre LeMark. I will also just once again question why a contest of the NFBC's stature feels that there is any cause for justification for this practice and leave it at that.

[Navel Lint]

Glenn,

I can think of no other reason other than the threat of less/zero participation by some.


And I agree with you, any winnings should be paid out to the name that signs up to play.

[ToddZ]

I'm not fond of the anonymous rule myself. But, if you assume the person(s) are going to find a way to sign up anyway, likely through a third party, well, at least the others now know if there is someone playing without revealing their true identity and they have the option not to join that league.

The threat of some people not playing if they had to use their name is likely the case, but this is balanced by just as many not playing because ANONYMOUS is allowed, so that's a wash.